List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Opine]

Easily worth a first round pick I would’ve thought.

Not to us.

Adopting the same strategy as Swans, who are anchoring their demand exorbitantly high, I think it's fair to start with a mid second. An early second, to very very late first would be about right for this FP. Otherwise, he should stay in Syd or go elsewhere. Essendon might be a good option for him; Swans could pay up a first and Pap for Daniher.

 

[Stamos]

Jetta, Redden, Cripps, Yeo, Vardy

None of them were big fish/trades

Edit: OK, Redden for pick 17, but that was 3 years before they won the flag.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Every premiership side has spent big on trading in ready to go players too though. Bulldogs are probably the only ones off the top of my head who haven’t and they were a real outlier. Getting the right player is only ever known in hindsight. The majority thought Richmond Had gone mad when they got Prestia and Caddy.
fair enough if you don’t rate Papley that highly but if Dow, Walsh and Setterfield become very good players then it would be hard to imagine a better player then Papley for us If Dow is a bust and Setters is only ever a B grader then all of a sudden Papley could be seen as a real mistake.

Also looking at Papley’s free kick count he has had three games for the season with more then one free kick for, one in the first 8 weeks and two in the last 4 so it has no correlation at all.
He kicked 19 goals 10 in the first eight games in the last four games 2 goals 7. Production has dropped off a heap but conversion is also a huge reason.
He is also in the top 4 in the league for tackles inside 50 so he is obviously still doing the defensive stuff well.

Not sure who the Eagles high priced recruit was when they won the flag in 2018.

I'm glad you brought up Richmond as an example with Prestia and Caddy. If you take a closer look at how that season transpired, it was the emergence of their small forwards in Rioli, Butler, Castagna (all taken in the national draft), as well as the improvement in Edwards and Lambert that made them a premiership winning team. Forward pressure was what got them over the line.

They had more than a dozen players who had career best years that season, including players like Jacob Townsend who was sensational leading into and during their finals campaign (16 goals in 5 games). Winning the flag could not be attributed to their off season recruits. Yes, they played a part, but were only a small part. It was the combined growth of players on their list in that season.

Yes, Richmond went out and got Lynch as a FA, but they were already considered the best team in the competition at that point and they had just recently won a grand final.

On Papley, a fair few of those free kicks have directly resulted in goals. Also regarding his production, with Sam Reid now back in the team, Papley will become less of a focal point. Provides a better indication as to what his actual output will be in our team. With regards to finishing, he's an average kick of the footy. If you can't take advantage and convert the limited opportunities you get as a small forward, you're probably not elite for the position. Hence, my judgement on him being massively overrated.

Players get pumped up by the media when they're potentially on the trade table. You know who's a prime example of this. Adam Tomlinson! Was spoken about like he was one of the best players in the game. Now look at him at Melbourne. If he's still regarded as one of the best players in the competition, well maybe I need to get my eyes checked because I'm certainly not seeing it.

 

[Arr0w]

None of them were big fish/trades

Edit: OK, Redden for pick 17, but that was 3 years before they won the flag.

All about the forward planning

Sinclair best 22 for Jetta
Redden 1st rounder
Yeo a 2nd
Cripps effectively a 2nd
Vardy peanuts

Still adds up to 2 1sts, 2 2nds

They just distributed the capital smartly

 

[azlou]

His defensive pressure has always been top notch, interesting you mention that needing a step up. He'd also be one of the top 5 quickest guys on the list, if not 3. Hes a fighter too.

Those 3 things alone are things he does better than SPS.

And considering Sammo has been a total liability off half back lately, id have no isdue with Polson getting another go.

I’m glad the coaches can see what Samo adds to the team Because that means I’ll get to see him play next and the week after he is a proven AFL talent
Tell what Polson proven or ever shown at AFL level he can and will happily wait for an injury and all I have is hope that he performs when the pressure is increased 500%

 

[Eiffel 65]

Do like a lot of your post Eif, on Caldwell pick 11 in a very strong 2018 draft two years in the system, what do you think he’s worth or would be willing to depart with draft pick range wise?
We do have a big group of midfielders coming through already but have other pressing needs as well, If it come down to Wines or Crouch I’d take Caldwell over both every day...

Easily worth a pick between 15-25. Could come cheaper given the salary cap issues at GWS.

2018 will be considered a super draft when all is said and done.

The logic behind the trade also stems from history. Who were the two teams that cleaned up in the super drafts of the early 2000's?

Let me spoil it for you. It was Geelong and Hawthorn.

 

[Brackets]

Papley just slowing down so he has a chance to be traded.

 

[95blues]

I’m glad the coaches can see what Samo adds to the team Because that means I’ll get to see him play next and the week after he is a proven AFL talent
Tell what Polson proven or ever shown at AFL level he can and will happily wait for an injury and all I have is hope that he performs when the pressure is increased 500%

How many games makes you "proven"? 20? 50? While Sammo has definitely shown he is an AFL level player he hasn't been performing close to that level for a while now.
His kicking has been awful, he's playing passive football and he's getting killed in 1on1s.

I'm not saying he needs to be banished for all eternity but he needs to earn his spot.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Spargo has stagnated a fair bit. Very average yesterday. Small but relatively slow. Doesn't improve our list much.

He was just a random name that I’ve seen thrown up, replace him with any other small forward that would cost a 3rd/4th rounder...

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Not sure who the Eagles high priced recruit was when they won the flag in 2018.

I'm glad you brought up Richmond as an example with Prestia and Caddy. If you take a closer look at how that season transpired, it was the emergence of their small forwards in Rioli, Butler, Castagna (all taken in the national draft), as well as the improvement in Edwards and Lambert that made them a premiership winning team. Forward pressure was what got them over the line.

They had more than a dozen players who had career best years that season, including players like Jacob Townsend who was sensational leading into and during their finals campaign (16 goals in 5 games). Winning the flag could not be attributed to their off season recruits. Yes, they played a part, but were only a small part. It was the combined growth of players on their list in that season.

Yes, Richmond went out and got Lynch as a FA, but they were already considered the best team in the competition at that point and they had just recently won a grand final.

On Papley, a fair few of those free kicks have directly resulted in goals. Also regarding his production, with Sam Reid now back in the team, Papley will become less of a focal point. Provides a better indication as to what his actual output will be in our team. With regards to finishing, he's an average kick of the footy. If you can't take advantage and convert the limited opportunities you get as a small forward, you're probably not elite for the position. Hence, my judgement on him being massively overrated.

Players get pumped up by the media when they're potentially on the trade table. You know who's a prime example of this. Adam Tomlinson! Was spoken about like he was one of the best players in the game. Now look at him at Melbourne. If he's still regarded as one of the best players in the competition, well maybe I need to get my eyes checked because I'm certainly not seeing it.

It was a lot of things going right plus Dusty having one of the great years, but they still went and done it. They were a classic middle of the road team who got things right and turned their club around
Personally I think we would similar in that nearly all of our improvement should be coming from guys already on our list.
fisher, LOB, Curnow, Harry, Setterfield, Dow, TDK, Stocker, Walsh etc we wont go anywhere until they all improve.

Thomlinson was probably just a better version of SOJ, being a jack of all trades master of none. Early he was rated highly on potential (We tried to give up either the Curnow or McKay pick for him) but once that potential wasn’t realised he was rated more as being handy hence the round 3 compo.

It depends how we are rating Papley. I haven’t heard anyone rate him half as highly as players like Kelly for instance. His top 3 in his position in the league. I don’t think he is in the best 30-40 players in the league and I think he could get priced accordingly.
It’s so hard to know his worth because it is entirely dependent on what works for Sydney. A fair trade could easily get it done if it works in their favour imo but even paying overs could really not benefit them much so it may not be worth it to them. The problem is none of this will be known until we know our draft position and when they get a good idea on when they will get bids on academy players.

 

[BuxbaumBixby]

All the 'get a big fish' talk aside (and i'd like J.Kelly please - get it done), an observation based on Geelong right now - I'd argue it's the middle, reliable, workman-like tier that have elevated them out of the pack to genuine contenders.

Menagola, Guthrie, Duncan etc .... I think the biggest question for us going forward is who are our predictable, ultra-reliable middle tier 150-200 gamer guys?

E Curnow has been great and i'd put him in this category - but who are our guys for the next few years.

Are they already on our list?

I'm bullish on Setterfield (i don't see his upside as brownlow medal like as some on here), I think Gibbons has potential, I think JSOS potentially fits this but I'm worried we've mis-handled his development (like a few others).

(just interested in discussion about list balance - we can't have elite stars in every position)

 

[Red Bull]

All the 'get a big fish' talk aside (and i'd like J.Kelly please - get it done), an observation based on Geelong right now - I'd argue it's the middle, reliable, workman-like tier that have elevated them out of the pack to genuine contenders.

Menagola, Guthrie, Duncan etc .... I think the biggest question for us going forward is who are our predictable, ultra-reliable middle tier 150-200 gamer guys?

E Curnow has been great and i'd put him in this category - but who are our guys for the next few years.

Are they already on our list?

I'm bullish on Setterfield (i don't see his upside as brownlow medal like as some on here), I think Gibbons has potential, I think JSOS potentially fits this but I'm worried we've mis-handled his development (like a few others).

(just interested in discussion about list balance - we can't have elite stars in every position)

Stocker Philp Williamson might be the types to just get the job done week in week out ...

 

[azlou]

How many games makes you "proven"? 20? 50? While Sammo has definitely shown he is an AFL level player he hasn't been performing close to that level for a while now.
His kicking has been awful, he's playing passive football and he's getting killed in 1on1s.

I'm not saying he needs to be banished for all eternity but he needs to earn his spot.

Sorry mate this complete bullsh@t can’t be bothered going back to get a whole lot of stats but I did check the WC game he had more possessions than Ed Curnow 14 and went at 86% that was a big game for us SPS
Is playing his role perfectly and has become a whipping boy no logical reason name a game where his player has kicked multiple goals

 

[azlou]

Sorry mate this complete bullsh@t can’t be bothered going back to get a whole lot of stats but I did check the WC game he had more possessions than Ed Curnow 14 and went at 86% that was a big game for us SPS
Is playing his role perfectly and has become a whipping boy no logical reason name a game where his player has kicked multiple goals

7 half of those were contested

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

All about the forward planning

Sinclair best 22 for Jetta
Redden 1st rounder
Yeo a 2nd
Cripps effectively a 2nd
Vardy peanuts

Still adds up to 2 1sts, 2 2nds

They just distributed the capital smartly

Smart trading Jetta Yeo Cripps all dangerous impact players when on...

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Easily worth a pick between 15-25. Could come cheaper given the salary cap issues at GWS.

2018 will be considered a super draft when all is said and done.

The logic behind the trade also stems from history. Who were the two teams that cleaned up in the super drafts of the early 2000's?

Let me spoil it for you. It was Geelong and Hawthorn.

Yeah had that same range myself, anywhere in the 20’s would be a great result for the club if he wants back home and we’re interested...

 

[95blues]

Sorry mate this complete bullsh@t can’t be bothered going back to get a whole lot of stats but I did check the WC game he had more possessions than Ed Curnow 14 and went at 86% that was a big game for us SPS
Is playing his role perfectly and has become a whipping boy no logical reason name a game where his player has kicked multiple goals

Didnt he play on Dom Sheed that game?

 

[Arr0w]

O’Brien has had 3 seasons, enough time for reasonable assessment.
Good list management make good calls taking into account the whole of the list.
He who hesitates is lost ...

Pretty sure you also indicated SOS didn't rate Levi( like you) and would be traded

Big lug doing okay isn't he

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Said it twelve months ago and ill say it again Jo Jo Jo Jo Josssshhhh Kelllyyy plz

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

For some reason I get the impression Josh Kelly is a big head and if he leaves GWS it will be to the highest bidder.

Would much prefer us chase Jye Caldwell, least we wouldn't have to give up the farm to get him.

 

[I bleed Blue]

Zac Williams should be target #1.

Acceleration/burst from defence or stoppages, penetrating kick, plays with an edge. Would be perfect.

Absolutely. No question.

Just go out and get him. Will make us immediately and substantially better.

Don't think he ever plays a bad game. Having Williams, Doc, Willow and Weitering bringing the ball out of the backline is mouth watering.

 

[Red Bull]

Said it twelve months ago and ill say it again Jo Jo Jo Jo Josssshhhh Kelllyyy plz

Clearly the Giants best tonight.
Would love to add his class to that of Martin ...

 

[I bleed Blue]

Our two main needs in the next couple of years are a small/mid sized running back - Williams perfect fit.

And a small forward- Papley makes too much sense.

Personally I think our midfield will come on well. Murph and Curnow will need to be replaced at some stage, but im confident between Dow, Kemp, Philp, Lob, Cotrell, Stocker, SPS that at least two of them will step up and make the grade.

 

[azlou]

How many games makes you "proven"? 20? 50? While Sammo has definitely shown he is an AFL level player he hasn't been performing close to that level for a while now.
His kicking has been awful, he's playing passive football and he's getting killed in 1on1s.

I'm not saying he needs to be banished for all eternity but he needs to earn his spot.

You must mean his last two games because any further back he has been an absolute gun some times the crap written on this site makes me question my eyes and intuition
Against Richmond
19 disposals 90% efficiency 11 contested
Melbourne 20 disposals 65% 10 contested
Geelong 9 disposals 78% 3 contested
Essendon 14 disposals 86% 5 contested
stkilda 10 possessions 60% 4 contested
Bulldogs 19 possessions 79% 6 contested
Port Adelaide 10 possessions 100% 4 contested
North melbourne 14 possessions 86% 5 contested
The interesting thing is when I was checking these stats I checked out Williamson and the majority of games he is out performing him but no way would I call for Williamson to prove himself in the 2s because as a unit they are smashing it but you want to break this unit up.
Break up the band of brothers the chemistry to bring in Polson I got a feeling the coaches look at disposal effiency and like what they see

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Dow in next week

For who?