List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Stickitupthem]

There was always a big question mark over Stocker's endurance, and SPS' draft year was not up to the standard of the reputation he had as a 16 year old. Dow's disposal was always a problem and it was insinuated that O'Brien didn't have enough going for him to warrant the draft pick we selected him with. We can argue the chicken versus egg scenario of recruitment versus development all we like but I personally think we have over-finessed with our recruitment. However, the players we did pick are under the disadvantage of a lack of inspiration from a list that lacks grit.

 

[Stickitupthem]

Fair call but it’s time to see if these guys can stand up in our side or not I remember Dustin having the same things said about his endurance but tigers still persisted and yes his now the most influential player in the afl bar none
We need players with spunk and stocker has that in spades play him

 

[HBF]

Not sure I like it either, but the reality is the kids aren't taking his spot off him. Been one of our best in 2 out of the last 3 weeks, and there's only 3 games left in the season.

Fair enough, but i'd like to see more of Fisher and Martin in the midfield.

 

[HBF]

Not interested, another with poor disposal by foot

Will be unpopular in these parts, but I would target Touk Miller

Can play shutdown, ball winner and very good by foot

We should have drafted Miller. Another failure by Shane Rogers. We took DVR the pick before him lol

 

[HBF]

If Richmond want Dow they can have him.

 

[Stickitupthem]

If Richmond want Dow they can have him.

I would be wanting to give him a block of games to see if he can build confidence I still think he won’t be a bust

 

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[Arr0w]

We should have drafted Miller. Another failure by Shane Rogers. We took DVR the pick before him lol

A conga line full of failures

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I would be wanting to give him a block of games to see if he can build confidence I still think he won’t be a bust

A block of games in the guts.

If he’s shifted out to a wing or hff again there’s no point.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Fair enough, but i'd like to see more of Fisher and Martin in the midfield.

And Cuningham... those 3 alone would give the midfield a much greater dynamic... Still can’t figure out after Cunners 28pos game against *** why he’s not used in there more often... Ffs get them all in there, crying out for their speed and skills...

 

[FairKouta]

I think you should forget about papely, he's a gun but you need a gun mid, a top 25 in the league player, you have a commodity in Curnow that can bring that in, and that makes Cripps a better player and McKay and McGovern better through better delivery.

You could use a second round pick I reckon to get a breust, miers, rioli into the side to fill the small fwd role.
I would think the following could also be looking for new homes
Dow- no confidence in himself, looked smooth with ball in hand against GWS then he misses a target by a big margin, what I didn't like was he had no defensive efforts, his tackles were broken and he didn't chase with vigour or intent

Sps- looked a really good clearance player last year, good round 1 but a disappointment since

Obrien- if people are into Atkins from crows surely their will be suitors for O'Brien

Keep levi- he's cheap and he can play ruck fwd and back and has no trade value

Simo and eddie- line ball for both, I hope both err on going out on top, although simo still is the one putting his body on the line reading the play to sit in front of fwds, but kicking not as reliable. Eddie still takes the best small fwd and that has helped the team, he's attack on the ball is still good, where Carlton players were standing back in the last against GWS Eddie played on instinct and attacked the pill.
Murphy - retire he seems to pick and choose with effort this year
Kreuzer- body is gone unfortunately, pittonet will be the inbetween baton whilst dekoning grows into his body with Levi for backup

Blues are not far away and in reality outplayed Collingwood and gws and should have won just need to tinker and bring in a gun mid
My two cents

Curnow is a generational player. There is 0% chance we trade him. I agree we need to go after a elite mid. I am happy to part with 2 first rounders.

 

[FairKouta]

Really think Narkle is the one for you guys , He is very talented and has fantastic speed and a good size for a small foward
very under utilised at the cats and would probably come cheap with massive upside. Carlton have Martin/Betts/SPS at the club so the kid wouldnt struggle to bond and probably enjoy the guidance of Betts.

There are rumblings on some richmond forums that Paddy Dow may be of interest at Punt Road, How would this go down with most of you guys and what type of value would the supporter base be happy or atleast content with if that was to eventuate

Give us bolton we will give you dow and a second rounder

 

[COBALT BLUE]

I would be wanting to give him a block of games to see if he can build confidence I still think he won’t be a bust

He would be s shocking loss of resources..he obviously has the ability....seen it before tho
Watson.example.....excellent however never could engage properly
Dow does not maintain his presence of attack on the ball
Might get a good quarter etc..
His basal fitness would be way lower than say Walsh...
Just very disappointing
Maybe Richmond for pick 20 etc.......get it done

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

We should have drafted Miller. Another failure by Shane Rogers. We took DVR the pick before him lol

or the pick after Maynard. Looking at that draft it was abit of a shocker.

also looking at that year SOS turns picks 4, 6 and 7 into Pickett, Marchbank and Ahern. Saved by matching a bid 16 on Steele.
Backed it up the next season using picks 1,10,12 and 24 getting Weitering, McKay, Curnow and Cuningham. Thank the gods we got the 2015 haul over the 2014 version. Shows how fickle/how much of a lottery the whole recruiting game can be.

 

[Ricky Mott]

A player that never really hit my radar is Ports Karl Amon He was rumoured to us a year or two ago and I thought meh. He’s actually not a bad option as small forward/mid. Speaking of small forward/mids :-

Q - why don’t we play Gibbons more on the ball. Liston Trophy winner multiple times - as a mid.

Because he’s a list clogger. Opposition teams don’t worry about Gibbons. They let him go and target him to allow a spare player in defence.

 

[RAPPA]

Dow and LOB - if they’re not getting continuous games now, and assuming Carlton recruits at least two players in the off season that will be walk up starters, I don’t see them as our future.

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

Because he’s a list clogger. Opposition teams don’t worry about Gibbons. They let him go and target him to allow a spare player in defence.

Where do you see our biggest deficiency
Who do you think is the player we require most

 

[KoteX]

Dow, O’Brien, SPS all high drafts pick mistakes by the club. Keep waiting guys, they just don’t have it.

 

[Jeremias]

Dow and LOB - if they’re not getting continuous games now, and assuming Carlton recruits at least two players in the off season that will be walk up starters, I don’t see them as our future.

Dow, O’Brien, SPS all high drafts pick mistakes by the club. Keep waiting guys, they just don’t have it.

Dow and O'Brien are 20.

It's amazing how impatient some fans have become on the back of a few years of young players being thrown to the wolves despite not being ready for regular senior football.

These guys (and SPS to a lesser degree given he's playing an unfamiliar role) are young and developing. We'd love them to be starring week in week out but they don't have to be. Not yet.

They may make it, they may not; but to write them off at 20 years of age is silly. Sorry but there's no sugar coating that. It's just silly.

 

[KoteX]

Dow and O'Brien are 20.

It's amazing how impatient some fans have become on the back of a few years of young players being thrown to the wolves despite not being ready for regular senior football.

These guys (and SPS to a lesser degree given he's playing an unfamiliar role) are young and developing. We'd love them to be starring week in week out but they don't have to be. Not yet.

They may make it, they may not; but to write them off at 20 years of age is silly. Sorry but there's no sugar coating that. It's just silly.

Watched more than enough football to be able to tell when a kid has it or not. Dow, the single worst disposal I have ever seen. Can’t fix that. Obrien can’t find it , can’t teach that. SPS has no ticker, can’t donate that.

My opinion. Respect yours , but you’re a rose coloured classes wearer.

 

[Jeremias]

My opinion. Respect yours , but you’re a rose coloured classes wearer.

If I were wearing rose coloured glasses I'd have said all three will make it.

I haven't done that.

Looking at the bigger picture and refusing to write kids off at 20 isn't wearing rose coloured glasses. It's using logic; something many lack or aren't willing to apply.

I've watched plenty of football too, and I've seen plenty of players develop into wonderful footballers despite not starring from the get go.

 

[RAPPA]

Dow and O'Brien are 20.

It's amazing how impatient some fans have become on the back of a few years of young players being thrown to the wolves despite not being ready for regular senior football.

These guys (and SPS to a lesser degree given he's playing an unfamiliar role) are young and developing. We'd love them to be starring week in week out but they don't have to be. Not yet.

They may make it, they may not; but to write them off at 20 years of age is silly. Sorry but there's no sugar coating that. It's just silly.

If Carlton intends to acquire players like Williams and perhaps another quality midfielder or HBF that are walk up starts, that places Dow and LOB further behind the pecking order and what I am saying is that if they're not already in the frame now as being best 22, they slip further behind when ready made players are brought in. We know that Simpson, Murphy and Curnow will need to be replaced and likely in that order. Dow and LOB not getting regular games now does not bode well.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Dow and O'Brien are 20.

It's amazing how impatient some fans have become on the back of a few years of young players being thrown to the wolves despite not being ready for regular senior football.

These guys (and SPS to a lesser degree given he's playing an unfamiliar role) are young and developing. We'd love them to be starring week in week out but they don't have to be. Not yet.

They may make it, they may not; but to write them off at 20 years of age is silly. Sorry but there's no sugar coating that. It's just silly.

I agree, this kind of mentality is so stupid, when they're 24-25 and still show no signs of progress then yeah, call them for what they are. But giving up on a player at the age of 20 is so dumb.

I'm sure many people were saying the same kinds of things about Weitering when he was dropped to the 2's a few years back, and look at him now. Simmo didn't get going until about his 4th year, did diddly squat before that. Jack Martin was called a huge bust and now is a borderline AA player. Different players come on at different rates and we just have to wait and see how they turn out instead of giving up on them before they're even off their P plates.

 

[HARKER]

If Carlton intends to acquire players like Williams and perhaps another quality midfielder or HBF that are walk up starts, that places Dow and LOB further behind the pecking order and what I am saying is that if they're not already in the frame now as being best 22, they slip further behind when ready made players are brought in. We know that Simpson, Murphy and Curnow will need to be replaced and likely in that order. Dow and LOB not getting regular games now does not bode well.

True...whether we like it or not.

To me, Dow has too many of the right qualities to dismiss, though.
He's not looking great right now and who knows exactly why that may be - Recovering from injury....confidence....etc , but he does have the tools.

O'Brien I worry about, because other than being a runner with a good left peg, the rest of his game doesn't stack up for now.

SPS? If he doesn't make it with us, he'll make it elsewhere.

 

[Ricky Mott]

Watched more than enough football to be able to tell when a kid has it or not. Dow, the single worst disposal I have ever seen. Can’t fix that. Obrien can’t find it , can’t teach that. SPS has no ticker, can’t donate that.

My opinion. Respect yours , but you’re a rose coloured classes wearer.

Keep watching!! I think you’ll find Ed Curnow ‘s disposal is worse.