List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[THE_GUN]

I like Paddy Dow's assets that he has , Speed size game and agility but i dont like how he uses them and his ability to think under pressure.
Reading between the lines of what Williams said it sounds to me like Dow has other issue's and is blaming other people for his development and if that is the case this could be a major issue but you dont get selected at pick #3 in the draft in 2017 with all the info the recruiters have if you dont have game.

Something tells me there is more to his issue than just whats in public view but thats only my opinion and i have nothing to back it up apart from the players in Richmonds drafting history that have failed which i am still trying to forget.

 

[Opine]

I like Paddy Dow's assets that he has , Speed size game and agility but i dont like how he uses them and his ability to think under pressure.
Reading between the lines of what Williams said it sounds to me like Dow has other issue's and is blaming other people for his development and if that is the case this could be a major issue but you dont get selected at pick #3 in the draft in 2017 with all the info the recruiters have if you dont have game.

Something tells me there is more to his issue than just whats in public view but thats only my opinion and i have nothing to back it up apart from the players in Richmonds drafting history that have failed which i am still trying to forget.

Who is Williams?

 

[THE_GUN]

Who is Williams?

Diesel

 

[Opine]

Diesel

Where did he say whatever he is supposed to have said? I’ve obviously missed something

 

[THE_GUN]

Where did he say whatever he is supposed to have said? I’ve obviously missed something

Where he basically said he needs to harden up

 

[Opine]

Where he basically said he needs to harden up

What’s your interest in Paddy? Do you believe, or hope, Richmond‘S going to end up with a steal in some Blues brain-fade trade?

 

[I bleed Blue]

Where did he say whatever he is supposed to have said? I’ve obviously missed something

Redirect Notice

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Where did he say whatever he is supposed to have said? I’ve obviously missed something

A week or so ago. Check the media thread. Basically said that Dow has to start playing like a man. Get tougher. Diesel was asked by Cripps to help him and Paddy for this year but was let go when all the Covid hit the fan.

 

[bmaurizio]

Dow is light framed similar to OBrien so they’ll struggle and get brushed aside against mature and hardened men, both lads need extra time to build stamina, conditioning and muscle.
it will take longer for some physics to reach optimal AFL maturity and conditioning to allow them to play to their natural ability, keep our fingers crossed.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

People on the Sydney forum are dreaming up scenarios in which we trade them De Koning, probably as part of a trade deal for Papley. That's funny on a number of levels.

 

[GT619]

People on the Sydney forum are dreaming up scenarios in which we trade them De Koning, probably as part of a trade deal for Papley. That's funny on a number of levels.

Tell them to get stuffed

 

[THE_GUN]

What’s your interest in Paddy? Do you believe, or hope, Richmond‘S going to end up with a steal in some Blues brain-fade trade?

No real interest part from Thomson being at Richmond , Just the kid seems to be in the news and thread's lately
Id like to see him get do well. Regards to Dow at Richmond i think we will have our hands full with who to delist if lists get cut like whats been mentioned as we have a few on the Rookie list that we would like to keep.

 

[THE_GUN]

Dow is light framed similar to OBrien so they’ll struggle and get brushed aside against mature and hardened men, both lads need extra time to build stamina, conditioning and muscle.
it will take longer for some physics to reach optimal AFL maturity and conditioning to allow them to play to their natural ability, keep our fingers crossed.

Looks to have muscled up a bit , Actually noticed bigger shoulders and a different shape on the kid last game he played.
Does look like he has hit the gym

 

[Opine]

Looks to have muscled up a bit , Actually noticed bigger shoulders and a different shape on the kid last game he played.
Does look like he has hit the gym

I just read the article that you and others have been referring to. He’s still got a significant amount of physical development to get through; I think you know that. I’ve no doubt his aggression at the contest will come. Other than that, he can football pretty well; that’s why you and others at Richmond have your antennas up.

 

[Arr0w]

What purpose does being disingenuous serve. Dow is about to turn 21. Papley kicked 30 goals at the same age, with less development time in an AFL system.

Perhaps it is disingenuous to suggest Dow is bust. If players aren't improving to the level of supporter expectations, same goes for the team, then it must be failure

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

People on the Sydney forum are dreaming up scenarios in which we trade them De Koning, probably as part of a trade deal for Papley. That's funny on a number of levels.

There is no doubt they will ask and there is no doubt we will say no.

 

[HARKER]

People on the Sydney forum are dreaming up scenarios in which we trade them De Koning, probably as part of a trade deal for Papley. That's funny on a number of levels.

It is funny because Papley is far the better player for now, yet it's likely we wouldn't do this deal even for a straight swap.
Our need for a ruckman in the mould of De Koning is more important to us than to have a quality small forward which should be easier to find.

That's the way we should be looking at things from here on in; Don't look for better players.....just look for the right ones even at the draft.

Both Hately and Caldwell dropped again and both likely to be asking to be traded.
Given the depth of mids GWS already had and then knowing that Green was coming to them the year after, I didn't understand why they'd be stocking up on more inside midfielders in the 2018 draft when the likes of Butters, Clark, Duursma or Sturt who were much more suitable for them, were available.

GWS got it wrong. I trust we won't be making the same mistakes.

 

[reubsblues]

Am I the only one that has cooled on papley
Only because the demand Sydney will want and we could find a small forward elsewhere ie Jarrod Cameron ,Willie Rioli from WC Richmond, Geelong, Port, GC and a few other team all have small forwards not getting games we could target
Also if I'm giving up multiple first round picks I want a top tier midfielder ie Kelly ,Wines, Viney
We don't have near enough top talent through the midfield and not alot of depth either

 

[Metalcrusher]

Again, we have to have a look at what we have and where he whole is positioned.
All in all, I feel our midfield hasn't been too bad even taking the relative poor form from Cripps.
The question should be; Where will we be next year?

1. Will Cripps get back to his 2019 form? Yes
2. Will Setterfield get better? Yes
3. Can Walsh maintain his quality and influence? Yes
4. How much longer has ECurnow got to go? 2-3 years
5. Will team-regulars SPS and Fisher be afforded more midfield time? Yes
6. Where are we with Dow, Kennedy, Kemp and Philp? Dow still carrying a knee injury, Kennedy unsure, Unsure, Unsure
7. Have we still got plans of throwing Martin and Cuningham into the midfield for change-ups? Yes

Given the relative youth of this group, one should think that we'd only get better, but who knows?
That's the question the club will have to ask itself. Not an easy answer though.

 

[Cripptonite]

Since last year’s draft my personal opinion has always been we are 3 players short of a good side: a quality midfielder who can win the ball, a quality half back with speed and defensive capabilities, a quality small forward who pressures and creates goals out of nothing/provides assists.

I’ve also been of the opinion that we need proven talent now, nothing against our developing youngsters I hold out hope they will be good players but we need players ready to go to accelerate our rebuild whilst Cripps and Doc are hitting their prime.

Rumoured acquisitions:

Small forward- In my mind the goal has always been Papley. He is perfect for our team and wants to come. Issue is satisfying the Swans which could leave the cupboard bare to chase other quality players.

Half-back- Williams would be the perfect acquisition here. Plenty of pace, would compliment Doc, Newman, Willo, SPS and he’s even a free agent. My only concern is paying him too much with other clubs certainly offering massive competing contracts. Hopefully he would prefer Carlton as opposed to North for obvious reasons and also due to our indigenous and ex-GWS contingents.

Midfielder- Since last year, Wines has always been the dream and seems to be somewhat gettable. Unfortunately his great season and Port’s reluctance to let him walk last year makes me think Port will put a ridiculous price on his head. This will not work for us especially needing draft assets to secure Papley.

Other free agent options Crouch and Viney would be ok provided we are paying them reasonable amounts however I think we would have to offer $700k plus to get them out of their current clubs which is too high in my opinion.

Besides the “fanciful” Cogs/Kelly discussions which I don’t think is going to happen, the other option raised in the last few days Is Jack Graham who in my mind would be a budget version of Wines. I’m usually not a fan of Liddle bringing his Richmond mates across but I think it’s a very good option providing us with a tough young player in the mould we require with a winning mentality. In addition he would cost much less in draft assets and salary cap. I’d imagine he would be on $200k - $300k with Richmond due to his age and their cap struggles. Our rumoured offer of $450k for four years is a substantial increase 80% - 100% which should be enough to obtain him.

Perfect trade period for me:
-Williams as a FA
-Jack Graham for a future 2nd Or Wines for a future first
-Papley for our first pick this year, if we have to add steak knives to get him then fine but hopefully we don’t give them anything crazy.

 

[Metalcrusher]

Since last year’s draft my personal opinion has always been we are 3 players short of a good side: a quality midfielder who can win the ball, a quality half back with speed and defensive capabilities, a quality small forward who pressures and creates goals out of nothing/provides assists.

I’ve also been of the opinion that we need proven talent now, nothing against our developing youngsters I hold out hope they will be good players but we need players ready to go to accelerate a rebuild whilst Cripps and Doc are hitting their prime.

Rumoured acquisitions:

Small forward- In my mind the goal has always been Papley. He is perfect for our team and wants to come. Issue is satisfying the Swans which could leave the cupboard bare to chase other quality players.

Half-back- Williams would be the perfect acquisition here. Plenty of pace, would compliment Doc, Newman, Willo, SPS and he’s even a free agent. My only concern is paying him too much with other clubs certainly offering massive competing contracts. Hopefully he would prefer Carlton as opposed to North for obvious reasons and also due to our indigenous and ex-GWS contingents.

Midfielder- Since last year, Wines has always been the dream and seems to be somewhat gettable. Unfortunately his great season and Port’s reluctance to let him walk last year makes me think Port will put a ridiculous price on his head. This will not work for us especially needing draft assets to secure Papley.

Other free agent options Crouch and Viney would be ok provided we are paying them reasonable amounts however I think we would have to offer $700k plus to get them out of their current club which is too high in my opinion.

Besides the “fanciful” Cogs/Kelly discussions which I don’t think is going to happen, the other option raised in the last few days Is Jack Graham who in my mind would be a budget version of Wines. I’m usually not a fan of Liddle bringing his Richmond mates across but I think it’s a very good option providing us with a tough young player in the mould we require with a winning mentality. In addition he would cost much less in draft assets and salary cap. I’d imagine he would be on $200k - $300k with Richmond due to his age and their cap struggles. Our rumoured offer of $450k for four years is a substantial increase 80% - 100% which should be enough to obtain him.

Perfect trade period for me:
-Williams as a FA
-Jack Graham for a future 2nd Or Wines for a future first
-Papley for our first pick this year, if we have to provide steak knives to get him then fine but hopefully we don’t give them anything crazy.

-Williams as a FA
-Jack Graham for a future 2nd Or Wines for a future first
-Papley for our first pick this year, if we have to provide steak knives to get him then fine but hopefully we don’t give them anything crazy.

Would do me nicely.

 

[Triniboy]

Am I the only one that has cooled on papley
Only because the demand Sydney will want and we could find a small forward elsewhere ie Jarrod Cameron ,Willie Rioli from WC Richmond, Geelong, Port, GC and a few other team all have small forwards not getting games we could target
Also if I'm giving up multiple first round picks I want a top tier midfielder ie Kelly ,Wines, Viney
We don't have near enough top talent through the midfield and not alot of depth either

Sydney can keep Papley...his pathetic actions on field is a slight on his character and the club he plays
for...

 

[BlueTang]

Sorry I haven’t been keeping up with this thread. Has Rory Laird been discussed as a trade target? Think he would brilliant in our back line, 28 next year, Teague connection, Crows are rebuilding & he might be looking for a change of scenery...

 

[SOS Rules]

Since last year’s draft my personal opinion has always been we are 3 players short of a good side: a quality midfielder who can win the ball, a quality half back with speed and defensive capabilities, a quality small forward who pressures and creates goals out of nothing/provides assists.

I’ve also been of the opinion that we need proven talent now, nothing against our developing youngsters I hold out hope they will be good players but we need players ready to go to accelerate our rebuild whilst Cripps and Doc are hitting their prime.

Rumoured acquisitions:

Small forward- In my mind the goal has always been Papley. He is perfect for our team and wants to come. Issue is satisfying the Swans which could leave the cupboard bare to chase other quality players.

Half-back- Williams would be the perfect acquisition here. Plenty of pace, would compliment Doc, Newman, Willo, SPS and he’s even a free agent. My only concern is paying him too much with other clubs certainly offering massive competing contracts. Hopefully he would prefer Carlton as opposed to North for obvious reasons and also due to our indigenous and ex-GWS contingents.

Midfielder- Since last year, Wines has always been the dream and seems to be somewhat gettable. Unfortunately his great season and Port’s reluctance to let him walk last year makes me think Port will put a ridiculous price on his head. This will not work for us especially needing draft assets to secure Papley.

Other free agent options Crouch and Viney would be ok provided we are paying them reasonable amounts however I think we would have to offer $700k plus to get them out of their current clubs which is too high in my opinion.

Besides the “fanciful” Cogs/Kelly discussions which I don’t think is going to happen, the other option raised in the last few days Is Jack Graham who in my mind would be a budget version of Wines. I’m usually not a fan of Liddle bringing his Richmond mates across but I think it’s a very good option providing us with a tough young player in the mould we require with a winning mentality. In addition he would cost much less in draft assets and salary cap. I’d imagine he would be on $200k - $300k with Richmond due to his age and their cap struggles. Our rumoured offer of $450k for four years is a substantial increase 80% - 100% which should be enough to obtain him.

Perfect trade period for me:
-Williams as a FA
-Jack Graham for a future 2nd Or Wines for a future first
-Papley for our first pick this year, if we have to add steak knives to get him then fine but hopefully we don’t give them anything crazy.

Very happy with what you're proposing and would be wrapped if we got these three in the off season. Papley would add a quality layer to our forward line. Williams would provide much needed run and carry. Graham would give us the 2IC that Cripps is needing. In addition I would like us to add another quick midfielder though this could only be achieved with a lower pick if all the above was to be achieved. We also now need to develop another ruckman. We should look at recruiting a 20-21YO in the rookie draft and develop from there. A back pocket specialist wouldn't go astray either. Unfortunately, like every year, none of this is easy to achieve and there is much to be sorted out in terms of list sizes and who stays and who goes. Time will tell.

 

[DirkDiggler]

Sad part for Dow was he was played when not physically ready in a very thin midfield group that had minimum defensive runners .. until we have a good pathway and a strong VFL side( whichever form that takes post COVID ) we will have many Dow's and slow burn draft picks .. last year we played three ruckman in the VFL Side and a handful of rubbish part timers and player on there way out . two of the ruck since since since delisted .

I disagree. I think Dow had his best year in his first year at the club. Thrown in the deep end in the middle knowing he had deficiencies he had to work on. Getting games experience into him was the way to go. Now at this stage of our development where we are more competitive, he needs to realise he has to earn his position. The question is whether he has the strength in character to get the best out of himself.