2020 Non-Crows AFL Discussion

[mattymac]

Until the next person touches the handle.
Live your life today, wash your hands and don't get caught up in the fear.

Well no that's not how it works.

The fear is mainly media driven. They always need something. Fear sells. The media is pretty disgraceful the way they carry on about anything they think will strike fear into whatever segment of the population.

But the science behind developing herd immunity is solid.

 

[ams4crows]

Thats a long time away given what has happened across the world in the last 24 hours.

As soon as Clubs know, its instantaneous that the entire public will know.

They AFL will leave it last minute because that's just who they are.
I dont think they'll stop the games just yet but im sure round 1 will be a lock out

 

[Bender20]

Well no that's not how it works.

The fear is mainly media driven. They always need something. Fear sells. The media is pretty disgraceful the way they carry on about anything they think will strike fear into whatever segment of the population.

But the science behind developing herd immunity is solid.

The concept of herd immunity is solid, I personally don't believe we can achieve it. The flu vaccine has been the most controversial vaccine since it's inception, to develop one for Corona in the next 12 to 18 months without any testing isn't the answer.
We need to ride this one out, antibodies passed from mother to child is non applicable with a new virus so we are at the mercy of nature and have confidence in our immune system.
Saying all of that my father-in-law would agree with you and he is an Immunologist and geneticist.

 

[Mego Red]

can you provide links on the above - as I see democratic governers and congressmen are praising the whitehouse's response and I also read that covid-19 testing will be free of charge and that from the health insurers

Also here is a comment from Dr Anthony Fauci - a lead medical expert on Trump's travel ban

At a press conference on Feb. 29 attended by Trump, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, praised “the original decision that was made by the president” to impose travel restrictions to and from China.

“We prevented travel from China to the United States,” said Fauci, who has worked for multiple administrations. “If we had not done that, we would have had many, many more cases right here that we would have to be dealing with.”

Edit: just gotta love the trump bashing on here when you put in the context of what other nations are not doing and getting no critisizm. Where is the bashing of China for the way it handled the outbreak, or how about Europe, South Korea, Iran and the list goes on..I sense some TDS on here

For all their human rights issues, China has handled this outbreak extraordinarily well. Jesus - how quick was their hospital built?

The only reason they acted on China was for political expedience. It suited Trump in his ongoing trade war.

Actually, this is interesting.

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[Kane McGoodwin]

Coronavirus officially a Pandemic.

World Health Organisation officially declares a pandemic

The World Health Organisation has officially declared the global coronavirus crisis a pandemic.

www.news.com.au

Surely R1 will be called off.

The irony of Crows needing to get games into our kids in a year where we may see no/reduction games played.

The AFL said they intend to go ahead, but will play in front of no crowds if needed.

 

[mattymac]

The concept of herd immunity is solid, I personally don't believe we can achieve it. The flu vaccine has been the most controversial vaccine since it's inception, to develop one for Corona in the next 12 to 18 months without any testing isn't the answer.
We need to ride this one out, antibodies passed from mother to child is non applicable with a new virus so we are at the mercy of nature and have confidence in our immune system.
Saying all of that my father-in-law would agree with you and he is an Immunologist and geneticist.

It's not so much about developing a vaccine, which is too far off by the time it gets developed and then goes through all the trial protocols to ensure it's safe. It's about slowing the rate of spread. Then more and more people can develop natural immunity through incremental exposure, whereas if we all get exposed at once it will be a shit show.

I'm a scientist too, which is probably why he would agree

 

[SaltPeter]

If it could be worse, our Club will be screwed. Imagine if its a lottery and we end up with Pick 18.

The lols from the AFL world would be unbearable.

We should be lobbying now for draft picks to be awar3d in alphabetical order

 

[mattymac]

For all their human rights issues, China has handled this outbreak extraordinarily well. Jesus - how quick was their hospital built?

The only reason they acted on China was for political expedience. It suited Trump in his ongoing trade war.

Actually, this is interesting.

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What are you talking about?

The communist party legit tried to intimidate the doctor who discovered the virus into silence until he caught it and died.

Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of "making false comments" that had "severely disturbed the social order".

"We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice - is that understood?" Underneath in Dr Li's handwriting is written: "Yes, I do."

The Chinese doctor who tried to warn others about coronavirus - BBC News

When Li Wenliang warned about a Sars-like virus at his hospital in Wuhan, authorities tried to silence him.

www.bbc.com

 

[Bender20]

It's not so much about developing a vaccine, which is too far off by the time it gets developed and then goes through all the trial protocols to ensure it's safe. It's about slowing the rate of spread. Then more and more people can develop natural immunity through incremental exposure, whereas if we all get exposed at once it will be a shit show.

I'm a scientist too, which is probably why he would agree

Well I'm like the guy on the Toyota ad, I manage projects.

 

[Jinglebells32]

I live in China and have been stuck here since the start of the outbreak (my New Zealand holiday was cancelled - they banned travellers from China the day before I was due to go there).
Thankfully, I live in a province that hasn't been too badly affected. Only around 100 of the 45 million people in Yunnan have confirmed infections.
Despite this, the government (both provincial and national) have gone to pretty extraordinary lengths to contain the spread of the disease. We've been in semi-lockdown for over a month.

All parks, tourist sites, gathering spots are locked up and guarded.
You're expected to wear a mask outside of the house, and many businesses won't let you enter without one on.
All restaurants have been closed for dine-in service since mid-January. Takeaway is still allowed.
Schools are closed - all kids are learning online.
You're required to have your temperature checked to enter any major shopping mall/large supermarket/apartment building.
You're required to scan a QR code when you enter or exit any business or building. If, through this system, you're found to be in the same place as someone who later tests positive, then you'll be notified and will be tested/quarantined.
There are temperature checks on highways between districts. Most public transport was shut down for a few weeks, but has since re-opened. A lot of districts have been completely isolated.

You're allowed to head out of the house whenever you want, but, at one point, you would get a tap on the shoulder from your building's security if you were going out too often, or having guests over. Got a stern warning for playing poker with a couple of friends a few weeks back. Things are settling down a bit more now.

China, despite a lack of doctors/nurses/hospitals to handle the outbreak (as seen in Wuhan), is better equipped to track the disease and quarantine people/areas. Everyone has a smartphone and everyone already uses WeChat for social media + financial transactions (cash transactions, even amongst older people, are rarer and rarer) so the government was easily able to use this app to spread information and track infections using the QR code system I mentioned. Security (which was already everywhere anyway) make sure people comply with the measures. The local equivalent of uber-eats is WAY more widely used and affordable here (a benefit of high population density in cities).

I live in one of the country's food-bowl provinces, so it might've been harder elsewhere, but it was really only the first week when it was at all tricky to get stuff. I stocked up on supplies shortly after embassies started warning people to leave china or prepare for the worst. I haven't really had to use any of the extra supplies I picked up yet. Things are a little more expensive than usual, however.

It's interesting to hear what's happening in Australia right now, and I'm not sure which of the above measures will really work/be accepted back home. It feels like we're the other end here. Things are starting to get back to normal. The infection rate is beginning to flatline and it has now been a couple of weeks since a new infection in my city.

I've been working from home for a month now, but will be heading back to the office on the 23rd. To be honest, my fiancee and I have been quite happy! The benefit of this shitty situation is that it's a great opportunity to use the extra time to improve your daily routine/work on your hobbies. I've been running a lot, because the air quality (not that I live in a problem city like Beijing or anything) is the best it has been since I moved, and, up until the last week or so, I've had the footpath to myself.

Schools re-open towards the end of this month. No guarantees that won't trigger another wave of outbreaks... We'll see!

Beautiful part of the world. Are you in Kunming?

 

[GrommoT]

Well I'm like the guy on the Toyota ad, I manage projects.

 

[skam85]

If only we had a resident GP on this board to guide us

 

[Mutineer]

If only we had a resident GP on this board to guide us

Who?

I say Who?

 

[FR0GGY]

They were saying on the radio today that you need to be in contact with someone infected for more than 15 minutes?
That to me doesn’t sound right?
They said it in relation to people who met an had photos with Tom Hanks in the past few days.

 

[Jack is Back]

Caroline Wilson said on aa tonight that the AFL is projecting that they will be in lockout mode from Anzac Day Round and will remain in lockout for a couple of months.

I suspect that this is an optimistic scenario, it only needs one player to catch it and the AFL will quickly come to a halt.
All the infected player’s teammates will have to go into a 14 day isolation and will need a couple of weeks to be match ready. The Grand Prix, if it goes ahead, will do an excellent job in spreading the virus to all points of Australia.

 

[Crow till I die]

What are you talking about?

The communist party legit tried to intimidate the doctor who discovered the virus into silence until he caught it and died.

The Chinese doctor who tried to warn others about coronavirus - BBC News

When Li Wenliang warned about a Sars-like virus at his hospital in Wuhan, authorities tried to silence him.

www.bbc.com

gotta love those wanting to defend China and their response to the virus yet happy to rip the USA

imagine this happening in the USA

Video appears to show people in China forcibly taken for quarantine over coronavirus

A Chinese government official referred this week to "wartime condition," saying that "no person or household should be left out" of the efforts to contain the virus.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[GROTTO]

gotta love those wanting to defend China and their response to the virus yet happy to rip the USA

imagine this happening in the USA

Video appears to show people in China forcibly taken for quarantine over coronavirus

A Chinese government official referred this week to "wartime condition," saying that "no person or household should be left out" of the efforts to contain the virus.

www.nbcnews.com

China should be blamed, but its not the only country in Asia with "wet markets".

If they changed their stance and had zero tolerance for wet markets, I could at least respect them. My understanding despite the coronavirus, wet markets are still flourishing.

 

[ams4crows]

Would you prefer if they postpone the AFL season/ suspended it or play but everyone is locked out.

do people have opinions or preferences?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I live in China and have been stuck here since the start of the outbreak (my New Zealand holiday was cancelled - they banned travellers from China the day before I was due to go there).
Thankfully, I live in a province that hasn't been too badly affected. Only around 100 of the 45 million people in Yunnan have confirmed infections.
Despite this, the government (both provincial and national) have gone to pretty extraordinary lengths to contain the spread of the disease. We've been in semi-lockdown for over a month.

All parks, tourist sites, gathering spots are locked up and guarded.
You're expected to wear a mask outside of the house, and many businesses won't let you enter without one on.
All restaurants have been closed for dine-in service since mid-January. Takeaway is still allowed.
Schools are closed - all kids are learning online.
You're required to have your temperature checked to enter any major shopping mall/large supermarket/apartment building.
You're required to scan a QR code when you enter or exit any business or building. If, through this system, you're found to be in the same place as someone who later tests positive, then you'll be notified and will be tested/quarantined.
There are temperature checks on highways between districts. Most public transport was shut down for a few weeks, but has since re-opened. A lot of districts have been completely isolated.

You're allowed to head out of the house whenever you want, but, at one point, you would get a tap on the shoulder from your building's security if you were going out too often, or having guests over. Got a stern warning for playing poker with a couple of friends a few weeks back. Things are settling down a bit more now.

China, despite a lack of doctors/nurses/hospitals to handle the outbreak (as seen in Wuhan), is better equipped to track the disease and quarantine people/areas. Everyone has a smartphone and everyone already uses WeChat for social media + financial transactions (cash transactions, even amongst older people, are rarer and rarer) so the government was easily able to use this app to spread information and track infections using the QR code system I mentioned. Security (which was already everywhere anyway) make sure people comply with the measures. The local equivalent of uber-eats is WAY more widely used and affordable here (a benefit of high population density in cities).

I live in one of the country's food-bowl provinces, so it might've been harder elsewhere, but it was really only the first week when it was at all tricky to get stuff. I stocked up on supplies shortly after embassies started warning people to leave china or prepare for the worst. I haven't really had to use any of the extra supplies I picked up yet. Things are a little more expensive than usual, however.

It's interesting to hear what's happening in Australia right now, and I'm not sure which of the above measures will really work/be accepted back home. It feels like we're the other end here. Things are starting to get back to normal. The infection rate is beginning to flatline and it has now been a couple of weeks since a new infection in my city.

I've been working from home for a month now, but will be heading back to the office on the 23rd. To be honest, my fiancee and I have been quite happy! The benefit of this shitty situation is that it's a great opportunity to use the extra time to improve your daily routine/work on your hobbies. I've been running a lot, because the air quality (not that I live in a problem city like Beijing or anything) is the best it has been since I moved, and, up until the last week or so, I've had the footpath to myself.

Schools re-open towards the end of this month. No guarantees that won't trigger another wave of outbreaks... We'll see!

They sound very prepared

 

[ad victoriam]

How many people under 70 is this flu killing?

I just don't get the panic

It, not the deaths that will case the Panic, The worry is too many sick people nobody left to run essential services,
As it is mild case will still cause the average person to stay at home for a week or two,

 

[SaltPeter]

Would you prefer if they postpone the AFL season/ suspended it or play but everyone is locked out.

do people have opinions or preferences?

Lock out .. at least we can watch games on tv still

 

[Crow_68]

UK media reporting McLaren are pulling out of the GP....surely won’t go ahead now?


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[ams4crows]

A Richmond AFLW player is also self quarantined as a precaution.

 

[Geoffa32]

McLaren withdraws from Australian Grand Prix

McLaren has withdrawn from the Australian Grand Prix McLaren has withdrawn from the Australian Grand Prix, announcing a positive result

www.speedcafe.com

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[GreyCrow]

So they want to shut the stadiums before shutting the borders?

Seems legit