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Gary Buckenara analyses St Kilda’s list after the 2020 season
Adam Treloar could be on the way out of Collingwood but while he’d be a handy pick-up for the Saints, he shouldn’t be a priority. Gary Buckenara reveals why as he analyses St Kilda’s list.

Playing finals this year is the first step towards St Kilda winning the second premiership in the club’s history but the hardest part is yet to come.
If we’re being realistic, making the finals is actually the easy target to reach as you build a list you hope can eventually challenge for a flag but taking the next steps is very difficult. It gets harder and harder to progress and stay in the window to challenge because teams improve every year, so clubs must keep improving their list to get it in a position to make top four, then hopefully a preliminary final and then a Grand Final.

The Saints will be a finals contender again next year and if everything goes right, they can challenge for the premiership in 2022 or 2023 but it’s easier said than done.

St Kilda’s list is showing signs of becoming a serious premiership threat and improved consistency this season is a reflection on the growth within the playing group combined with a fresh coaching outlook from Brett Ratten. With 14 B-grade players and five players aged 21 or under with A-B grade potential coming through, including Max King, Josh Battle, Hunter Clark and Nick Coffield who had breakout seasons, there is a good base there. But the biggest issue that continues to hold the Saints back is the lack of top-end talent. St Kilda still doesn’t have any A-graders.

The inclusion of Bradley Hill, Zak Jones, Paddy Ryder, Dougal Howard and Dan Butler has helped to inject more leg speed and ball-winning ability into a team that was bland and one-paced but that’s only the beginning. The Saints still have holes in their list that need filling, including more outside runners and creative halfbacks with elite kicking skills, before they can take that difficult next step in becoming a top-four team.

It’s over to the list management and recruiting staff to identify players from rival clubs who can come in and add star power to help take this team to the next level. Be aggressive, make calls to players like Ben Brown and Adam Treloar because you never know what answer you’ll get unless you ask the question.

LIST NEEDS
St Kilda has a reasonably balanced list but they need another key defender. Jake Carlisle is out of contract – is he the man to play on the big key forwards like Tom Lynch and Tom Hawkins? They’re the types of players St Kilda will need to stop if they’re to go deep in the finals and be a serious premiership contender.

Jack Steele’s emergence this year was impressive but the Saints can’t rely on him to do all the work, they need another big-bodied midfielder in the middle to provide more toughness around stoppages, while they need outside runners and rebounding defenders with pace and elite kicking skills. The return of Jade Gresham next year will be handy.

TRADE TARGETS
St Kilda will land Brad Crouch from Adelaide who will be a fantastic addition and add that extra bit of toughness in the midfield.

The Saints should look at Treloar but only if Collingwood is willing to pay some of his mega contract over the next few years. Treloar can play as an outside runner and has that pace they need but I wouldn’t make him a priority given the Saints only have pick No.15 at their disposal and the Magpies will want more than that. A trade looks very difficult.

Melbourne’s Tom McDonald would be a smart target and while he’s been played as a key forward for the last 3-4 years, he’s best suited down back. That’s not to say he can’t be moved forward at times – players who can play at both ends are very valuable.

Daniel Talia was linked to a trade to Essendon, so if he’s interested in a move out of Adelaide he’s exactly the type of player that can help propel the Saints from a 6-8 side to a potential top-four team. He’s been one of the game’s most reliable defenders but given he’s 29, I think a pick in the 30-40 range would be a fair trade. It would be a very good deal for the Saints.

St Kilda should also ask the question of Michael Hurley given Essendon is in a rebuild/refresh phase.

UNTOUCHABLES
Battle, Butler, Clark, Coffield, Gresham, Hill, Jones, M. King, Steele, Jack Billings, Jarryn Geary, Dougal Howard, Rowan Marshall, Tim Membrey, Ben Paton, Seb Ross, Jack Sinclair and Callum Wilkie.

TRADE BAIT
Carlisle is a player who could be put on the trade table to see if there’s any interest and get a deal done to as a more reliable key defender to play on the big forwards.

Jack Lonie is a handy player but he doesn’t do enough and could benefit from a new environment. I think he’s a player that would be of interest to clubs looking for a clever small forward, such as Carlton.

Luke Dunstan is a high draft pick that barely featured this year and could be used in a trade with Adelaide along with a late draft pick to secure Talia. Dunstan is a South Australian who might appreciate a return home. At 25 years of age, he’s in the right age bracket for the Crows.

RATING THE LIST
A-grade: Nil

B: Billings, Butler, Carlisle, Geary, Gresham, Hill, Howard, Jones, Marshall, Membrey, Ross, Sinclair, Steele, Wilkie

C: Alabakis, Dunstan, Hannebery, Hind, Joyce, Kent, Long, Lonie, Marsh, McKenzie, Parker, Phillips, Roberton, Ryder, Savage, Webster

Developing (with A-B grade potential): Battle, Clark, Coffield, King, Paton

Developing: Byrnes, Bytel, Clavarino, Connolly

What the ratings mean:

A-grade: Elite player on any AFL list

B: Top 10-18 player on most lists

C: An 18-30 player on a list

Developing: Aged 21 or under


CRYSTAL BALL
It was terrific to see St Kilda play finals in 2020 and there are signs that this might be the start of a premiership challenge over the next couple of years, but whether that ultimate goal is achievable will depend on how well the playing group comes together under Ratten and how well the list management and recruiting teams can add to the list over the next two years. There are holes that need to be filled before the Saints can seriously announce themselves and getting an A-grade star is a must. With more maturity and growth from the playing list over the pre-season, I can see the Saints being a finals contender again next year and challenging for a flag in 2022 or 2023.




Absolute respect .......Hubris
 
Jack Steele not A grade? Jesus
 

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This rubbish being pulled by the Crows is detrimental to the whole system. Call their bluff thugh, there is no way they are going to keep him after what has happaned. In addition, good luck having any player managers on side. The real issue is obviosuly compensation but its beside the point. Seriously who do the Crows think they are.
 
This rubbish being pulled by the Crows is detrimental to the whole system. Call their bluff thugh, there is no way they are going to keep him after what has happaned. In addition, good luck having any player managers on side. The real issue is obviosuly compensation but its beside the point. Seriously who do the Crows think they are.
Agree 100%

Call their bluff
 
Just need to reaffirm that Gary Buckenara either has no f@#king idea about football or he has lost the plot. He had us having no A grade talent on our list and yet he has the bulldogs with 3??? Two I agree with in Bont and McCrae BUT Tim English FFS!! WTF!
Both games this year both our rucks absolutely smashed him, and if both Marshall and English went on the open market right now I would think 90% of AFL teams would take Marshall before English every day of the week. I understand it is only his opinion but surely someone with his knowledge show look at the game a bit better than he is.
 
Just need to reaffirm that Gary Buckenara either has no f@#king idea about football or he has lost the plot. He had us having no A grade talent on our list and yet he has the bulldogs with 3??? Two I agree with in Bont and McCrae BUT Tim English FFS!! WTF!
Both games this year both our rucks absolutely smashed him, and if both Marshall and English went on the open market right now I would think 90% of AFL teams would take Marshall before English every day of the week. I understand it is only his opinion but surely someone with his knowledge show look at the game a bit better than he is.
Not to mention we had the third best player in the comp based on Brownlow votes for this year in steel
 


I have seen a lot of good stuff from the Saints media team of late but this is one of the best. A magnificent montage of the sights and sounds of our season. Only change I would have made their is have red in the crest at the end.

Just magnificent work to top off a really strong few years from Saints Media.
 

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I have seen a lot of good stuff from the Saints media team of late but this is one of the best. A magnificent montage of the sights and sounds of our season. Only change I would have made their is have red in the crest at the end.

Just magnificent work to top off a really strong few years from Saints Media.



wonderful . thanks for posting
 

I like the pod these guys do, they interview a lot of past Saints players but I've got to say, Aaron Hamill is absolutely insufferable listening. That professional stammer he has is just too much. Almost every sentence.
 
How St Kilda hit paydirt with pick 6 and an ambitious trade plan
St Kilda is giving the AFL a lesson on how to win at trading, and the results are even more incredible when you realise how little the Saints had to bargain with when it all started.
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As St Kilda celebrated a free agency heist on Wednesday as Adelaide flinched on Brad Crouch, few at Moorabbin would have cheered for the career of Jack Steven winding down.
Four-time St Kilda best-and-fairest winner Steven was not able to reignite his career at Geelong but the man his teammates called “Stuv” remains a popular figure despite his off-field battles.
Yet it was impossible to ignore the comparison on a day when St Kilda list manager James Gallagher came up big yet again.
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With a modest draft pick starting point last season he was able to turn pick 6 and a handful of later selections into four players who finished top-10 in the club’s best-and-fairest in a series of complicated but interconnected deals.
What St Kilda would be even more thrilled about is that the players who left during those trades — Steven, Josh Bruce, Blake Acres — barely made an impact at their rival clubs.
All clubs ride their luck and at times come out on the better side of trades or free agency acquisitions.
Most Saints fans wouldn’t know former Crow and Macquarie Bank staffer Gallagher if he stood up in their bowl of porridge.
[PLAYERCARD]Brad Crouch[/PLAYERCARD] will join St Kilda for nothing as a free agent.
Brad Crouch will join St Kilda for nothing as a free agent.
Yet by the time the club adds ruck cover in Shaun McKernan and perhaps acquires Jack Higgins, while still retaining pick 17 and next year’s first-round pick,. it will be a stunning pair of trade periods by the Saints.


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What it shows is that good clubs do the lot — they trade smart, they select for specific needs, their development team go to work, their players learn a defined game plan, the culture improves them, they thrive as players.
All of that happened at St Kilda this year, but it is worth noting the club’s St Kilda’s sole trade jewel last season was pick 6.
St Kilda seemingly had to use it to get Brad Hill, but instead traded it to GWS for a pair of picks in the teens and accepted only pick 58 for Jack Steven.
Then they swapped 12 and 18 — the picks they received from the Giants — and a future pick to Port Adelaide for Paddy Ryder and Dougal Howard, and the Power was also prepared to hand pick 10 back.
They secured Brad Hill for pick 10, pick 58, a future second and fourth-rounder and got a Fremantle third-rounder back.
[PLAYERCARD]Dougal Howard[/PLAYERCARD] and [PLAYERCARD]Josh Bruce[/PLAYERCARD] battle in the elimination final. Picture: Michael Klein
Dougal Howard and Josh Bruce battle in the elimination final. Picture: Michael Klein
On face value they paid Hill plenty and gave away a king’s ransom of picks, and yet because of the success of his fellow acquisitions St Kilda fans are prepared to be patient with his modest form.
Then they held their nerve on Josh Bruce and got back picks 32 and 51 from the Dogs, passing on pick 32 and adding pick 76 to Sydney in exchange for Zak Jones and pick 56.
Pick 56 became All-Australian contender Dan Butler, who Carlton somehow passed on despite early interest.
As a result of that wheeling and dealing the club’s second pick this year is 64.
Richmond is keen to retain Jack Higgins but is prepared to let him go for the right price for the benefit of his football career if he asks for a trade, which he hasn’t so far.
So St Kilda would need to find something close to a second-rounder for Higgins, and still might have designs on using that pick 17 in another trade.
When clubs win flags we look back at a cluster of picks or consecutive drafts where they found a way to change their fortunes and tip their list on its head.
St Kilda’s Simon Lethlean spruiked former Adelaide player Gallagher’s skills in data analysis, deal-making and relationship-building when he came on board in August 2018.
Those 38 games at Adelaide before a 200-plus game SANFL career might not have caught the eye, but it could scarcely have been a more impressive first 27 months.
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How St Kilda hit paydirt with pick 6 and an ambitious trade plan
St Kilda is giving the AFL a lesson on how to win at trading, and the results are even more incredible when you realise how little the Saints had to bargain with when it all started.
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November 5, 2020 4:05pm
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As St Kilda celebrated a free agency heist on Wednesday as Adelaide flinched on Brad Crouch, few at Moorabbin would have cheered for the career of Jack Steven winding down.
Four-time St Kilda best-and-fairest winner Steven was not able to reignite his career at Geelong but the man his teammates called “Stuv” remains a popular figure despite his off-field battles.
Yet it was impossible to ignore the comparison on a day when St Kilda list manager James Gallagher came up big yet again.
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With a modest draft pick starting point last season he was able to turn pick 6 and a handful of later selections into four players who finished top-10 in the club’s best-and-fairest in a series of complicated but interconnected deals.
What St Kilda would be even more thrilled about is that the players who left during those trades — Steven, Josh Bruce, Blake Acres — barely made an impact at their rival clubs.
All clubs ride their luck and at times come out on the better side of trades or free agency acquisitions.
Most Saints fans wouldn’t know former Crow and Macquarie Bank staffer Gallagher if he stood up in their bowl of porridge.
[PLAYERCARD]Brad Crouch[/PLAYERCARD] will join St Kilda for nothing as a free agent.
Brad Crouch will join St Kilda for nothing as a free agent.
Yet by the time the club adds ruck cover in Shaun McKernan and perhaps acquires Jack Higgins, while still retaining pick 17 and next year’s first-round pick,. it will be a stunning pair of trade periods by the Saints.


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What it shows is that good clubs do the lot — they trade smart, they select for specific needs, their development team go to work, their players learn a defined game plan, the culture improves them, they thrive as players.
All of that happened at St Kilda this year, but it is worth noting the club’s St Kilda’s sole trade jewel last season was pick 6.
St Kilda seemingly had to use it to get Brad Hill, but instead traded it to GWS for a pair of picks in the teens and accepted only pick 58 for Jack Steven.
Then they swapped 12 and 18 — the picks they received from the Giants — and a future pick to Port Adelaide for Paddy Ryder and Dougal Howard, and the Power was also prepared to hand pick 10 back.
They secured Brad Hill for pick 10, pick 58, a future second and fourth-rounder and got a Fremantle third-rounder back.
[PLAYERCARD]Dougal Howard[/PLAYERCARD] and [PLAYERCARD]Josh Bruce[/PLAYERCARD] battle in the elimination final. Picture: Michael Klein
Dougal Howard and Josh Bruce battle in the elimination final. Picture: Michael Klein
On face value they paid Hill plenty and gave away a king’s ransom of picks, and yet because of the success of his fellow acquisitions St Kilda fans are prepared to be patient with his modest form.
Then they held their nerve on Josh Bruce and got back picks 32 and 51 from the Dogs, passing on pick 32 and adding pick 76 to Sydney in exchange for Zak Jones and pick 56.
Pick 56 became All-Australian contender Dan Butler, who Carlton somehow passed on despite early interest.
As a result of that wheeling and dealing the club’s second pick this year is 64.
Richmond is keen to retain Jack Higgins but is prepared to let him go for the right price for the benefit of his football career if he asks for a trade, which he hasn’t so far.
So St Kilda would need to find something close to a second-rounder for Higgins, and still might have designs on using that pick 17 in another trade.
When clubs win flags we look back at a cluster of picks or consecutive drafts where they found a way to change their fortunes and tip their list on its head.
St Kilda’s Simon Lethlean spruiked former Adelaide player Gallagher’s skills in data analysis, deal-making and relationship-building when he came on board in August 2018.
Those 38 games at Adelaide before a 200-plus game SANFL career might not have caught the eye, but it could scarcely have been a more impressive first 27 months.
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That was one of the best and most positive media pieces I have seen about the saints for a long long time.
 

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St Kilda has the cap space to add more talent during the trade period
Jay Clark, Herald Sun
November 4, 2020 7:07am
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St Kilda has been rewarded for holding its nerve in tense trade talks with Adelaide after landing free agent Brad Crouch.
And the Crows on-baller could yet be joined at Moorabbin by Adam Treloar.
The Saints endured a nervous three-day wait but were thrilled when the Crows on Wednesday decided not to match St Kilda’s offer.
It means the Saints have secured the best-and-fairest winner without giving anything up in a trade or paying him an excessive salary of more than $800,000 a season.
Crouch, 26, is believed to be on a four-year contract with a trigger for a fifth season worth about $600,000 a year.
On Thursday, Saints football boss Simon Lethlean told SEN: "We're very interested observers. Treloar is a sensational player... but, if you asked me right now if he would be at the Saints, I would say it's very unlikely."
Adelaide receives pick No. 23 as free agency compensation for the midfielder who finished outside the top-10 of the Crows’ best and fairest this year.
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[PLAYERCARD]Brad Crouch[/PLAYERCARD] is off to St Kilda. Picture: Getty Images
Brad Crouch is off to St Kilda. Picture: Getty Images
St Kilda’s strategy ensures it still has more salary cap room to target Richmond livewire Jack Higgins and delisted Essendon big man Shaun McKernan throughout the remainder of the trade period.


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It means the Saints look set to be one of the biggest winners from the exchange period for the second year in a row.
Crouch said he could not wait to get started at Moorabbin.
“I’m really looking forward to joining the Saints next year,” Crouch said.
“St Kilda is going in the right direction and I’m stoked to be a part of it next season.
“I’m determined to gain the trust and confidence of the club, its supporters and my new teammates, and I am confident that my best football is ahead of me at St Kilda”.
Adelaide was hopeful of landing the No. 2 pick as compensation for Crouch but the Saints were adamant they would not pay the onballer overs or trade their first-round pick for him.
If the Crows did match the Saints’ bid for Crouch, St Kilda would have been prepared to walk the midfielder through the pre-season draft to the club.
Geelong will consider a similar outcome in its attempts to welcome superstar spearhead Jeremy Cameron to the club.
The Crows told the Saints they would still match the bid with one hour to go before the 5pm deadline on Wednesday.
The Crows didn't match the Crouch offer.
The Crows didn't match the Crouch offer.
But St Kilda chief operating officer Simon Lethlean and list boss James Gallagher refused to relent on the Crows’ trade demands, ensuring the club still has its first-round pick (No. 17) in this year’s draft.
Gallagher said it was a top result.
“It’s a really exciting prospect for our club and supporters to have Brad commit to St Kilda,” Gallagher said.
“Brad’s a genuine competitor and his ability to win the footy and use it well will greatly complement our midfield.”
Adelaide was not interested in fringe players Jimmy Webster, Dylan Roberton, Daniel McKenzie and Luke Dunstan.
Dunstan is expected to stay at the Saints.
Crouch will step straight into the engine room alongside Jack Steele, Jade Gresham, Hunter Clark, Jack Billings and Brad Hill, while Seb Ross could face a fight for his spot in the best side next season.
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Crouch was caught by police with an illicit substance at season’s end but has vowed to make up for his mistake in red, white and black from next year.
He will bolster the Saints’ clearance and grunt work around the stoppages in a bid to help create more play for exciting linebreakers Hill, Gresham and Billings.
The Saints struggled to attract top-line recruits up until last year and have since emerged as a destination club.
But St Kilda is unlikely to make a play for Collingwood star Adam Treloar due to salary cap constraints, at this stage.
The club is, however, expected to heavily target Gold Coast’s Ben King, who is the brother of star Saint Max King, next year.
But the Suns remain confident of keeping Ben King and were thrilled with his development up north this year.
 
Not a big fan of this Jon Ralph article to be honest. Nice to have good publicity but I'd say it's a little early considering trade period has just got started.

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As St Kilda celebrated a free agency heist on Wednesday as Adelaide flinched on Brad Crouch, few at Moorabbin would have cheered for the career of Jack Steven winding down.

Four-time St Kilda best-and-fairest winner Steven was not able to reignite his career at Geelong but the man his teammates called “Stuv” remains a popular figure despite his off-field battles. (bit of a low blow to bring Stuv into this article really)

Yet it was impossible to ignore the comparison on a day when St Kilda list manager James Gallagher came up big yet again.

With a modest draft pick starting point last season he was able to turn pick 6 and a handful of later selections into four players who finished top-10 in the club’s best-and-fairest in a series of complicated but interconnected deals.

What St Kilda would be even more thrilled about is that the players who left during those trades — Steven, Josh Bruce, Blake Acres — barely made an impact at their rival clubs. (I don't see why St Kilda would be thrilled about that, it will enforce the idea that all our players are trash and further push down our asking price for future trade outs)

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Most Saints fans wouldn’t know former Crow and Macquarie Bank staffer Gallagher if he stood up in their bowl of porridge. (That's a strange expression Bruce)

Yet by the time the club adds ruck cover in Shaun McKernan and perhaps acquires Jack Higgins, while still retaining pick 17 and next year’s first-round pick,. it will be a stunning pair of trade periods by the Saints. (jumping the gun a bit for a player that has yet to request a trade and is a well-valued member of his current club)

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Richmond is keen to retain Jack Higgins but is prepared to let him go for the right price for the benefit of his football career if he asks for a trade, which he hasn’t so far.

So St Kilda would need to find something close to a second-rounder for Higgins, and still might have designs on using that pick 17 in another trade. (Tigers fans on the Higgins thread of the main board don't see him leaving for a second round pick in fact they are turning their noses up at our first round pick so I think we might need to get ready for a tough one as he is contracted to the Tigers and would get into most teams' first 22)

When clubs win flags we look back at a cluster of picks or consecutive drafts where they found a way to change their fortunes and tip their list on its head. (Do we? Who is looking at the trades Richmond, Hawthorn, Geelong and West Coast made to win their flags? No one.)

St Kilda’s Simon Lethlean spruiked former Adelaide player Gallagher’s skills in data analysis, deal-making and relationship-building when he came on board in August 2018.

Those 38 games at Adelaide before a 200-plus game SANFL career might not have caught the eye, but it could scarcely have been a more impressive first 27 months.
(and how long before Eddie MacGuire is trying to temp him over to a "big club" like he did with Riewoldt? Luckily for us Roo was a loyal one-club man, but Gags is a businessman first - how do we keep him - and Lethers - with us? Hopefully Bassat and Co know.)
 
Nathan Brown reflects on his career with Collingwood & St.Kilda;

 
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