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Judd_Magic said:
He won't be.
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if hes playing midfield, either centrally or the wing, then i'm very interested at that price. in the backline he doesnt average well enough to be worth selecting (just over 90 maybe) especially considering his suspect injury history. in midfield he averages 105+ i believe.

i guess we'll just have to see how he is playing in the preseason games. i'll make a lot of judgement off that tbh.
 

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MagicGnome97 said:
if hes playing midfield, either centrally or the wing, then i'm very interested at that price. in the backline he doesnt average well enough to be worth selecting (just over 90 maybe) especially considering his suspect injury history. in midfield he averages 105+ i believe.

i guess we'll just have to see how he is playing in the preseason games. i'll make a lot of judgement off that tbh.
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Will definitely be playing midfield to take the heat off Cripps.
 
Andrew Birch said:
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I'm a bit of a lurker but I've been watching your past posts and tend to think you have a good grasp of SC, something that I aspire to, even though I'm in my later years.
However, this post says to me that you're suggesting Daniel is a worthwhile SC selection because he won the WB Best and Fairest. I'm not for 1 minute suggesting that he's not a good selection if that is what you need in a defender.
However Sam Collins won this years Suns B&F and only averaged 79, so would you deem him to be a good SC selection, based on his B&F position.

Now if I've read this completely wrong, and that is possible, as I have partaken of quite a few bevvies on my birthday, then I apologize and will retreat back into my shell.
Pick Mr Daniel on his SC performances, if that is your wont, not because he won the B&F.
 
Choppers said:
I'm a bit of a lurker but I've been watching your past posts and tend to think you have a good grasp of SC, something that I aspire to, even though I'm in my later years.
However, this post says to me that you're suggesting Daniel is a worthwhile SC selection because he won the WB Best and Fairest. I'm not for 1 minute suggesting that he's not a good selection if that is what you need in a defender.
However Sam Collins won this years Suns B&F and only averaged 79, so would you deem him to be a good SC selection, based on his B&F position.

Now if I've read this completely wrong, and that is possible, as I have partaken of quite a few bevvies on my birthday, then I apologize and will retreat back into my shell.
Pick Mr Daniel on his SC performances, if that is your wont, not because he won the B&F.
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Key position defender is a bit different to a HBF though in terms of SC scoring wise generally.
 
Judd_Magic said:
Key position defender is a bit different to a HBF though in terms of SC scoring wise generally.
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Yeas I agree, but thats not what I'm inferring. I'm saying that winners of B&F's don't necessarily have SC relevance....

Choose players on their SC ability not on their position in their team's B&F.
 
Choppers said:
I'm a bit of a lurker but I've been watching your past posts and tend to think you have a good grasp of SC, something that I aspire to, even though I'm in my later years.
However, this post says to me that you're suggesting Daniel is a worthwhile SC selection because he won the WB Best and Fairest. I'm not for 1 minute suggesting that he's not a good selection if that is what you need in a defender.
However Sam Collins won this years Suns B&F and only averaged 79, so would you deem him to be a good SC selection, based on his B&F position.

Now if I've read this completely wrong, and that is possible, as I have partaken of quite a few bevvies on my birthday, then I apologize and will retreat back into my shell.
Pick Mr Daniel on his SC performances, if that is your wont, not because he won the B&F.
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Sir Andrew Birch is a bigger shit poster than me. I'd listen to everything he has to say like its gospel.
 
Choppers said:
I'm a bit of a lurker but I've been watching your past posts and tend to think you have a good grasp of SC, something that I aspire to, even though I'm in my later years.
However, this post says to me that you're suggesting Daniel is a worthwhile SC selection because he won the WB Best and Fairest. I'm not for 1 minute suggesting that he's not a good selection if that is what you need in a defender.
However Sam Collins won this years Suns B&F and only averaged 79, so would you deem him to be a good SC selection, based on his B&F position.

Now if I've read this completely wrong, and that is possible, as I have partaken of quite a few bevvies on my birthday, then I apologize and will retreat back into my shell.
Pick Mr Daniel on his SC performances, if that is your wont, not because he won the B&F.
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"My issue with Daniel is that he's a really, really bad defender. Like, probably the worst getting regular games in the league. He's an absolute liability down there and opposition teams play through his man regularly.

This doesn't affect his SC scores in and of itself. The problem is the risk that he becomes too much of a liability down there, and gets moved into a less SC friendly role (which if I was signed as the Bulldogs coach tomorrow would be one of the first changes I would make)."

The above quote is unfair imo, my post merely points out that the bloke won his club's B&F this year despite often failing to shut down his direct opponent. So either the people responsible for voting on the WB B&F have NFI about football or the poster who made the claim that Daniel is the worst defender in the league doesn't appreciate the value of Daniel's role as the principle play maker within the back half of the WB team.

However, since me pointing out his B&F win offends your SC sensibilities, I'll clarify that I'm of the opinion that Daniel's current sc-friendly role within the WB team is secure due to said 2020 B&F win, therefore his continued premium SC output is not under threat of a non-sc friendly role change in the upcoming season.
 
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Andrew Birch said:
So either the people responsible for voting on the WB B&F have NFI about football or the poster who made the claim that Daniel is the worst defender in the league doesn't appreciate the value of Daniel's role as the principle play maker within the back half of the WB team.
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I think this is an example of football becoming too 'modern' and ignoring the fact that while being a well-rounder player is important, you still need to be able to play the basics of your role before you get to the extra stuff.

Daniel's role in the backline to me is the equivalent of the small forward who averages 10 touches and half a goal a game but gets a spot every week because of their pressure acts. Pressure is a great bonus for a forward, but IMO as a forward you still need to be able to score or set up goals or you're not doing your job. Just like rebounding is a great bonus for a defender, but you still need to be not a total liability as an actual defender or you're not doing your job.

All this is basically irrelevant to SC though as long as Beveridge continues to rate what Daniel is bringing to the side, so as long as he continues to disagree with me, then Daniel is a reasonable pick. Beveridge is known to **** around with player's positions on a whim though, so I think there is some risk factor there.
 
Schulzenfest said:
I think this is an example of football becoming too 'modern' and ignoring the fact that while being a well-rounder player is important, you still need to be able to play the basics of your role before you get to the extra stuff.

Daniel's role in the backline to me is the equivalent of the small forward who averages 10 touches and half a goal a game but gets a spot every week because of their pressure acts. Pressure is a great bonus for a forward, but IMO as a forward you still need to be able to score or set up goals or you're not doing your job. Just like rebounding is a great bonus for a defender, but you still need to be not a total liability as an actual defender or you're not doing your job.

All this is basically irrelevant to SC though as long as Beveridge continues to rate what Daniel is bringing to the side, so as long as he continues to disagree with me, then Daniel is a reasonable pick. Beveridge is known to fu** around with player's positions on a whim though, so I think there is some risk factor there.
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WBs lack elite ball users by foot, he should be safe in his current role on that basis alone.
 
Andrew Birch said:
WBs lack elite ball users by foot, he should be safe in his current role on that basis alone.
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Daniel’s main attribute is his elite decision making coming out of DEF ....it does surprise that he wasn’t rated higher in the Bulldogs B&F for his attributes

I just can’t see anyone at the Bulldogs replacing Daniel's role
 
Daniel probably the best kick at the 20-30m mark; pinpoint accuracy to targets even on the run.
Couple that with his speed and agility and his game is really strong.
Fantastic player but not overly SC relevant at the start of the season unless underpriced, will make 100s most weeks but not huge numbers.
 

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balmainforever said:
Is anyone scared that Laird won't spend as much time in the middle and won't be able to match the late season scoring from last season
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All of Lairds season averages-
70
59
94
97
100
108
97
105

He is a gun playing as a defender or a midfielder and been a lock top 6 DEF for longer than anyone else we are currently considering.
 
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