List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[Danger in Texas]

Nah, more Cripps/Fyfe than Oliver.

Athletic monster.

His kicking isn't what I'd call polished so you might be right there

 

[Sphynx]

Goater a better user and not as strong a contested winner imo than those two, more versatile too

Fyfe is fairly versatile..... it's just that he's a double brownlow medalist mid.

Could have quite easily been a multiple AA CHF imo.

 

[PMBangers]

Fyfe is fairly versatile..... it's just that he's a double brownlow medalist mid.

Could have quite easily been a multiple AA CHF imo.

Yeah that's fair, I could see Goater forging a career at either end or the midfield though, not as a target up forward though

 

[StonesThrow]

So I'm a South supporter in the SANFL. Am I completely crazy and stupid to like Roberts more than Horne?

eDPS PMBangers Mutineer ??

Horne's ceiling is just too high to not like him given that he already has all the hard working defensive traits in his bag.

People talk about him as this defensive tackling gun, but imo he's got the biggest ceiling I've seen for a while. Can burn off players and evade no problem, knows where the goals are and has such strong aerial ability.

I like Roberts as well, but just can't see him being that top echelon player as much as I can Horne.

Either way it looks like there are a few players pushing not far behind that top 3 (Inc Daicos and Darcy) so we'll still get some high quality talent (top 5 is usually where the most elite players come from).

 

[DaKids]

So I'm a South supporter in the SANFL. Am I completely crazy and stupid to like Roberts more than Horne?

eDPS PMBangers Mutineer ??

Sorry I know you didn’t mention me - BUT totally agree - I’ve been on here a while saying the same. I think people are too attached to Horne - personally I think Roberts will be the more complete player

 

[Skippos]

God I hate equalisation. Having seen enough of Horne, I'm absolutely devastated we won that. What a dreadful feeling - being devastated your team won.

But unfortunately this is a competition that offers tangible rewards for poor performance that are linked to an increase in fortunes, and mediocrity is worse than being dreadful. Horne would have been what gave our rebuild the edge - fingers crossed we find an elite prospect out of the 'next' group - but none strike me as franchise mids.

 

[Sanders]

Nothing says focused on the future like busting a gut to win a meaningless game that costs you in the long run

 

[the big lebowski]

Solid win by your boys tonight.

Looks like round 23 is going to be interesting for us especially. Both teams might not win another until then and Noble seems to really want to avoid the spoon like Nicks does. That said, I’m more along the lines as some of you in really wanting Horne.

You’ll take Roberts now I think and be very happy.

 

[Mismatched]

God I hate equalisation. Having seen enough of Horne, I'm absolutely devastated we won that. What a dreadful feeling - being devastated your team won.

But unfortunately this is a competition that offers tangible rewards for poor performance that are linked to an increase in fortunes, and mediocrity is worse than being dreadful. Horne would have been what gave our rebuild the edge - fingers crossed we find an elite prospect out of the 'next' group - but none strike me as franchise mids.

We’re probably sitting in the <10% chance of finishing with the spoon now. So yeah, not a great feeling when you’re not sure winning is the best outcome.

With Kangas coming home strong, Collingwood struggling and playing the Hawks in the run home, the interesting one is do Collingwood finish with the spoon and thus GWS with the #1 pick? Giving them pick 1 and ~pick 7, plus possibly pick ~8 if Kelly leaves. Now GWS haven’t been big on SA players in the past and also probably aren’t desperate for more midfielders, could a reasonable trade be worked? Even if they lose Kelly, they still have a midfield boasting Taranto, Coniglio, Green, Hopper, Whitfield and then some including another 3 midfielders in the top 20 of last years draft.

Would they look at a trade of pick 1 + pick 7/8 for our pick 3-5 and our 2022 1st rounder, with us potentially providing a solid sweetener in potentially an end of 1st from Crouch or our early 2nd rounder? Probably not, but an interesting scenario.

 

[Kraven]

Nothing says focused on the future like busting a gut to win a meaningless game that costs you in the long run

Now that I know for a fact that nicks hasn't been tanking with terrible selections I can safely say he's a garbage coach.

What sad miserable lives you must live. That goes for Wetcrow as well.

The 3 of you want dummies for your meltdowns? Maybe some tampons? Drama queens

 

[Sanders]

What sad miserable lives you must live. That goes for Wetcrow as well.

The 3 of you want dummies for your meltdowns? Maybe some tampons? Drama queens

Lol. when the barely literate attack

 

[Murray2503]

Solid win by your boys tonight.

Looks like round 23 is going to be interesting for us especially. Both teams might not win another until then and Noble seems to really want to avoid the spoon like Nicks does. That said, I’m more along the lines as some of you in really wanting Horne.

You’ll take Roberts now I think and be very happy.

I think Horne will go top 5. Should be a good player but his kicking isn't elite. I think he has been overrated by a few as a lay down messair pick 1. I'm not sure the crows would pick him at their pick if available. Junior footy form shouldn't be overvalued.

 

[mattymac]

Nothing says focused on the future like busting a gut to win a meaningless game that costs you in the long run

Classic lack of strategic awareness

 

[Sanders]

Classic lack of strategic awareness

Indeed

 

[hey shorty]

Question now is do we grab one of the gun Vic mids or reach a bit for Roberts who is probably slightly beneath these lads on reputation but will still be a super player.

 

[conVINCEd]

Question now is do we grab one of the gun Vic mids or reach a bit for Roberts who is probably slightly beneath these lads on reputation but will still be a super player.

Who is he ‘beneath’?

ESPN’s (Knightmare’s) power rankings has him the best player after Horne/Daicos/Darcy, so in that view there is literally no Vic player on the open market rated ahead of him.

 

[hey shorty]

Who is he ‘beneath’?

ESPN’s (Knightmare’s) power rankings has him the best player after Horne/Daicos/Darcy, so in that view there is literally no Vic player on the open market rated ahead of him.

I don't pay too much attention to his rankings, but in this instance he might be right.

Roberts is a better kick than Horne too.... And boy do we need that.

 

[hey shorty]

good chance we wont get either now.

Whaaaaa......

 

[Mego Red]

Nothing says focused on the future like busting a gut to win a meaningless game that costs you in the long run

A bit of a simpleton perspective.

Winning the Kreuzer Cup doesn't guarantee any future success.

The only thing that losing is a future indicator of is more losing.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Who is he ‘beneath’?

ESPN’s (Knightmare’s) power rankings has him the best player after Horne/Daicos/Darcy, so in that view there is literally no Vic player on the open market rated ahead of him.

Is Knightmare watching SANFL games this year?

 

[Sanders]

A bit of a simpleton perspective.

Winning the Kreuzer Cup doesn't guarantee any future success.

The only thing that losing is a future indicator of is more losing.

That’s a lot of certainty for an example you had to go back 14 years for

 

[Mego Red]

Who is he ‘beneath’?

ESPN’s (Knightmare’s) power rankings has him the best player after Horne/Daicos/Darcy, so in that view there is literally no Vic player on the open market rated ahead of him.

I don't think that many take young Chris Doerre's predictions that seriously anymore. He doesn't watch an enormous number of games and doesn't have any access to other expert and industry opinions.

He's a guy with a webpage who watches some games.

I'd lean more into Draft Central rankings - because they have a bigger team of analysts - or Twomey because he speaks to recruiters.

 

[Mego Red]

That’s a lot of certainty for an example you had to go back 14 years for

You mean - the most famous example in our sport?

Rebuilds are far more likely to lead to more rebuilds than they are premiership success.

You get success through a club's culture, not through tanking. If it was that linear and simple, every shitty team would go backwards for a few years and suddenly start succeeding. Most go backwards and stay backwards.

You can't succeed through tanking for picks, because the only difference between the draft picks given to the premier and the wooden spooner is ONE selection.

You succeed through changes in team culture and approach. Richmond were terrible for 35 years until that changed.

 

[Sanders]

You mean - the most famous example in our sport?

Rebuilds are far more likely to lead to more rebuilds than they are premiership success.

You get success through a club's culture, not through tanking. If it was that linear and simple, every shitty team would go backwards for a few years and suddenly start succeeding. Most go backwards and stay backwards.

You can't succeed through tanking for picks, because the only difference between the draft picks given to the premier and the wooden spooner is ONE selection.

You succeed through changes in team culture and approach. Richmond were terrible for 35 years until that changed.

Every club who has ever rebuilt, every single one, has prioritised development and the future over short term results at various points in time.

Trotting out tired & disingenuous cliches about “tanking” and “culture” won’t ever change this fact.

 

[UcantCme]

Every club who has ever rebuilt, every single one, has prioritised development and the future over short term results at various points in time.

Trotting out tired & disingenuous cliches about “tanking” and “culture” won’t ever change this fact.

The facts are also many draft number 1 player if drafted 10 years later in the same draft woukd not be number 1

Of these number 1 picks, very few if any have played in premierships so I am one that supports prioritising wins and what that brings to a young group over moving up 2 spots in the draft

Ill take the wins and pick 3, or 4 over losses and pick 1, or 2 every day of the week



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