List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[MrBarry]

With Hawthorn losing the club needs to bite the bullet here and seriosuly look at making sure we get that number 1 pick.

Getting TT and Horne over 2 consecutive covid fuelled seasons will set us up long term. We need to make the call now.

 

[Jirkago75]

Wonder who people think is the best and most complete midfielder in the draft if we could choose anyone.
Obviously Horne is a star but can be a bit inconsistent with his kicking almost like Danger but not as bad.

 

[Tas]

I seem like I am alone here, but I think a spoon is incredibly damaging. Some clubs just never recover, and others never really rise (think Carlton, St Kilda…). If we want to be a proud and respected club, we should be trying as hard as we friggin can to avoid a back to back spoon imo.

Most Richmond supporters don't even remember they received priority picks let alone bagged a ton of talent from spoons and bottom four finishes. They don't even care their coach at the time admitted to tanking. Nobody brought that up when they hoisted cup after cup into the air on the podium. It is a means to an end, unless it is against the rules and you get caught. People barely remember and nobody cares about the Tippett fiasco, about Carlton's salary cap cheating. We move on pretty quickly.

Generally speaking, I don't think finishing last matters. This time last year we were contemplating who will get Hollands and McDonald and in the end our clubs didn't take either of them. You guys would be very happy with Thilthorpe now and we are happy with Phillips. You probably could have taken Thilthorpe with pick 2 or 3 last year depending on which clubs finished bottom two, we probably could have taken Phillips anywhere up to pick 5 or so. We still got Powell with pick 13 and if that was our best pick in that draft it still would have been a good outcome. Despite the lack of Victorian players in that draft, it was still a great draft.

This year just seems a bit odd, there seems to be a larger gap between Daicos and Horne to the next group than there seemed to be last year. If you take out the Father/Son players in Daicos and Darcy, the next after Horne seem to be a lot further back in terms of talent than the top end of the pool last year. But, that doesn't mean that is how it will play out long-term, the best players in any given year never pan out in the order they were drafted, some players way off the radar atm will end up much better players than they seem to be atm.

 

[Crow till I die]

The weekends NAB League midfielders who we may have interest in.
Ben Hobbs 34 Disposals, 19 Kicks, 15 Handballs, 4 Marks, 4 Tackles. 5 i50's, 3 r50's, 1 goal 2 points.
Zac Taylor 37 Disposals, 10 Kicks, 27 Handballs, 4 Marks, 3 Tackles, 4 i50's
Josh Goater 28 Disposals, 21 Kicks, 7 Handballs, 11 Marks, 1 i50, 8 r50's
Liam Conway 35 Disposals, 20 Kicks, 15 Handballs, 5 Marks, 3 Tackles, 5 i50's. 5 r50's, 1 goal 2 points
Mitch Knevitt 28 Disposals, 12 Kicks, 16 Handballs, 3 Marks, 6 Tackles, 4 i50's, 1 goal 1 point
Josh Trudgeon 34 Disposals,13 Kicks, 21 Handballs, 7 Marks, 7 Tackles, 5 i50's, 3 r50's, 1 goal 1 point

So goater looks like he was playing primarily off half back with those stats?

Edit..saw your post after noting just that

 

[Mego Red]

And Fremantle trading.

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If we're talking trading - sending Jonathan Hay to North Melbourne for a first round pick was a dog act too.

 

[Mego Red]

I seem like I am alone here, but I think a spoon is incredibly damaging. Some clubs just never recover, and others never really rise (think Carlton, St Kilda…). If we want to be a proud and respected club, we should be trying as hard as we friggin can to avoid a back to back spoon imo.

I have to be honest. I agree.

On the flip side, if we're EVER going to do it, last season and this is the time.

 

[Mego Red]

Me too, but Bergman still a very good player.

Bergman is okay, but feels like the kind of footballer that is reasonably easy to find in a draft.

 

[Mego Red]

Those clubs were long damaged before their spoon happened. Like we were we damaged for a while before it culminated with a spoon.

A 6 win spoon is a rare feat, so likely it's not that damaging on it own. Just a bit of bad luck as we did everything we feasibly could to avoid it.

At this point, I'm not really concerned about where we finish. We've had a reasonable year and given opportunities to the kids. I'd like to blood a couple more, and that would be a year that's been quite productive.

 

[Disco Fox]

His Falcons season stats are :
R2 vs Rebels 16D -13K - 3Hb - 4M
R4 vs Pioneers 27D -14K - 13Hb - 5M
R5 vs Giants 21D - 11K - 10Hb - 4M
R7 vs Rebels 20D - 12K - 8Hb - 4 M
R8 vs Pioneers 28D - 14K -14Hb - 4M
R9 vs Power 16D - 5K - 11Hb - 4M
R11 vs Cannons 27D - 12K - 15Hb - 6M
R15 vs Jets 28D - 12K - `6Hb - 3M

And in the VC vs VM Challenge match - 22 disposals, six marks, four clearances, four inside 50s and two score assists.

I presume you are throwing his name up as a possible 2nd round pick?

 

[70lethal]

Not many rebuilds from a spoon start with 10 players just playing in a GF 3-4 years beforehand.

Most have missed finals for a longer period of time.

With Butts and TT looking good it does mean sole focus on developing a midfield that can go forward is easier than filling gaps in each area of the ground

 

[WeedsMullet84]

No.

They reached for Doedee and they were right.

Gallucci was a bad call, but was about his draft ranking.

Jones and McHenry were both drafted about where they were forecast to go, as was McAsey. I'm not that worried about all three coming on, but fair enough if you consider them or Fogarty to be bad calls

First round picks in the last decade were:

Lever (excellent), Milera and Doedee (very good), Gallucci (terrible), Fogarty (good) plus Jones, McHenry and McAsey.

Most were pretty predictable.

The non first rounders are interesting. Schoenberg, Sholl, Butt, Keays, McPherson, ROB. I think there's some positives there.

Tigers are on record that they would have selected Galluci if we hadn’t taken him. In hindsight he’s been a poor player, but it wasn’t a poor selection at the time, he was on the radar of a lot of clubs.


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[Betts are off]

Richmond's collapse has quietly become one of the most interesting subplots of this thread, as in there is still a chance (albeit a very slim chance) that they could deliver us a genuine shot at pick 1. They play both North and Hawthorn in the remaining 3 rounds and TBH, I have absolutely no idea who wins either.

Richmond should beat both of those teams on talent, but on form Richmond are playing as poorly as anyone in the competition (1-5 in the last 6 games with losses to GC and COLL). It seems like they've completely hit the wall

 

[Sanders]

Finishing bottom and getting the wooden spoon isn’t a culture killer. Losing games on purpose is.

Problem with this binary thinking is there is no way to agree on what constitutes doing everything to win

 

[Sanders]

Tigers are on record that they would have selected Galluci if we hadn’t taken him. In hindsight he’s been a poor player, but it wasn’t a poor selection at the time, he was on the radar of a lot of clubs.


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It was a poor ****ing selection

If 50% of the pool sucks, it matters if you continually pick the dodgy ones regardless of whether they went around the predicted time

 

[Sanders]

I seem like I am alone here, but I think a spoon is incredibly damaging. Some clubs just never recover, and others never really rise (think Carlton, St Kilda…). If we want to be a proud and respected club, we should be trying as hard as we friggin can to avoid a back to back spoon imo.

I think you’re nuts if you think anyone other than over invested supporters gives a fat rats clacker about spoon this or spoon that

I mean who gives a **** about finishing 2nd last - woo hoo, at least we didn’t get the spoon! So what

 

[Crow till I die]

I think you’re nuts if you think anyone other than over invested supporters gives a fat rats clacker about spoon this or spoon that

I mean who gives a fu** about finishing 2nd last - woo hoo, at least we didn’t get the spoon! So what

I don't think that even if the club does lose its last 3 games that it will finish bottom even if the hawks finish above us and North finish above us as GC loom as a club that could get belted each week from here on in and finish bottom on %...if their game on the weekend is anything to go by

 

[Deaneus!]

Joel Selwood but with an overhead marking game.

so he’s a dirty sniping thug who will get looked after by the VFL?

I want to death ride someone. Who’s ripe for the taking?

Collingwood, Carlton, GC…

The reason people and saying split and downgrade, is because we don't trust recruiting to pick and elite star at 3.

then get recruiters who aren’t shit

Need to draft an outside mid with speed. Just need to find another Dangerfield.

we don’t need another show pony who doesn’t listen and can’t kick

Can we stop this talk about trading next years and this years for pick one. We would be the dumbest club ever to do that. If we trade a second and this years first, I’d be ok with it but next year we will want someone else that’s going to be a star. We have only ever had 3 pick under 5 in our existence and only used 1, why would we not use it and get a gun midfielder to develop.
we will be bottom 2 next year unless Tex has another good year. Let’s stay in reality not dreamland

Yes, everyone will flog themselves over next year‘s once-in-a-generation player…

In the last decade we've only had three top 10 picks, and only one in the top 5 (though we traded down from 4 to 6)

bang

Did getting the wooden spoon last year 'damage our psyche'?

some of our supporters lost their minds

Goaters kick to handball ratio is good, and 11 marks

i can’t take him seriously because of his name

Obviously Horne is a star but can be a bit inconsistent with his kicking almost like Danger but not as bad.

you mean I’ve spent another year listening to everyone crap on about another kid WHO CAN’T ****ING KICK?

People barely remember and nobody cares about the Tippett fiasco, about Carlton's salary cap cheating. We move on pretty quickly.

Oh, I bring them up all the time.

 

[CROW in BALI]

Doesn’t lack confidence the lad .

“I would say I’m skilful, smart, composed and have the ability to go forward and impact the scoreboard,” Roberts said. “I look at Marcus Bontempelli

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Marcus Bontempelli

Age

30

Ht

194cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

10.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

18.4

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

8.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

1.8

4star

to model my game off, I’m not as tall as him but I feel we have similar attributes, such as being a left footer, a good ball user and decision maker and being able to impact up forward.”

Can remember a freshly drafted N Buckley saying he counted his kicks and gets the best out of himself and has had to wear the tag Fig Jam ever since

I guess times have changed.

 

[Betts are off]

Doesn’t lack confidence the lad .

“I would say I’m skilful, smart, composed and have the ability to go forward and impact the scoreboard,” Roberts said. “I look at Marcus Bontempelli to model my game off, I’m not as tall as him but I feel we have similar attributes, such as being a left footer, a good ball user and decision maker and being able to impact up forward.”

Can remember a freshly drafted N Buckley saying he counted his kicks and gets the best out of himself and has had to wear the tag Fig Jam ever since

I guess times have changed.

I love that in a prospect!

 

[CROW in BALI]

I love that in a prospect!

Are you American ?

 

[Betts are off]

Are you American ?

Why do you ask?

 

[Golumless]

At this point, I'm not really concerned about where we finish. We've had a reasonable year and given opportunities to the kids. I'd like to blood a couple more, and that would be a year that's been quite productive.

I'm not particularly either. If we were a chance to push up into the 11-14th positions, I would be, because that's getting to the point it's reducing our draft pick to the point the wins aren't likely to be worth it. That said, we're firmly in the "only mathematically possible" stage.

I'd like to see Cook, and Gollant before the year is out, but it has been a good year. Nick's has shown some coaching chops and the ability to get the best out of players, we've bloodied a fair few kids, and we're firmly above my expectations for wins (I had us capped at 5).

People obsess over draft picks a bit too much. Pick 1 or pick 3 makes little difference. Even pick 1 and pick 5 has little difference throughout the journey.

 

[CROW in BALI]

I love that in a prospect!

I don’t mind a bit of self confidence either , but cant remember Walsh or Rowell talking themselves up too much, they just let the journalists do it after doing their talking on field.

 

[Mutineer]

Wonder who people think is the best and most complete midfielder in the draft if we could choose anyone.
Obviously Horne is a star but can be a bit inconsistent with his kicking almost like Danger but not as bad.

Nah, Horne is definitely not an elite kick but no way is he as bad as you're making out and I'd absolutely take his kicking over Patty. At worst he's an average kick, personally I'd class his kicking as competent for an AFL player.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Think this young fella might be moving into our want for a tall midfielder discussions before too long...Mitch KnevittView attachment 1193321

How’d he go this weekend bicks ?