List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[Sanders]

Sholl has been on the list for 3 years? Including a full year of sanfl, plenty of fitness gained in that time.
He's not a kid out of under 18s..
Far to many excuses for him on here.. he is soft (VERY) and drops his bundle easily if he makes errors.

Has plenty of talent but needs to put it together next year.

Hate to agree with such an obvious pear troll, but I think this is fair

I’d happily package Sholl and #4 to North to move up

 

[BunjiMac]

Hate to agree with such an obvious pear troll, but I think this is fair

I’d happily package Sholl and #4 to North to move up

As long as he's confused and thinks he's Forrest Gump, yes I agree.

He has to change his mindset and realise his actual weapon is his kick, not his run.

You look at those with amazing disposal and you are them take their time to set up their kick. That's what Sholl must learn to do.

Sure having a good tank is great, but don't run yourself into the ground pointlessly, learn to be a smarter runner.

 

[Golumless]

As long as he's confused and thinks he's Forrest Gump, yes I agree.

He has to change his mindset and realise his actual weapon is his kick, not his run.

You look at those with amazing disposal and you are them take their time to set up their kick. That's what Sholl must learn to do.

Sure having a good tank is great, but don't run yourself into the ground pointlessly, learn to be a smarter runner.

I disagree. Kicking is not a tool someone can make a career out of in a difficult position such as wing, and if Sholl focused in that direction, he's delisted in 2-3 years. He might be able to at half back, but even then Sholl likely needs to develop some intercept ability and have that being his one wood.

Your main weapon has to be a tool that allows you to be able to rack up opportunities to impact the game. It doesn't help in Sholls case the easiest way isn't present in his game which is explosive acceleration. In Sholls case, his career does live and die on his running power. After all, that's the ticket to enhancing his accumulation as well as giving him something to impact defensively. Even if it is just being able to reliably zone. Kicking skills are the icing to that and is what'll push him to give an AA spot a good shake once the cake is there.

 

[Blurter]

Nah I was referring to this Bluebird..

Maybe I'm showing my age ...actually saw Donald Campbell and his Bluebird passing through Pt.Augusta on it's way to Lake Eyre as a very young kid.

I was aware that you meant Donald Campbell - perhaps if you used his K7 instead of the Quinnie to go fishing on the West Coast you could have launched at Port Augusta and you would have got there quicker.
Port Augusta must have been ground zero for speed freaks back in the day - I saw Waltzing Matilda there when I was a kid, at the time the fastest truck on earth at about 350km clicks.

 

[DaKids]

I disagree. Kicking is not a tool someone can make a career out of in a difficult position such as wing, and if Sholl focused in that direction, he's delisted in 2-3 years. He might be able to at half back, but even then Sholl likely needs to develop some intercept ability and have that being his one wood.

Your main weapon has to be a tool that allows you to be able to rack up opportunities to impact the game. It doesn't help in Sholls case the easiest way isn't present in his game which is explosive acceleration. In Sholls case, his career does live and die on his running power. After all, that's the ticket to enhancing his accumulation as well as giving him something to impact defensively. Even if it is just being able to reliably zone. Kicking skills are the icing to that and is what'll push him to give an AA spot a good shake once the cake is there.

Almost there not quite. The most important tool for playing the wing is knowing exactly how you actually play it. You have to have a very clear understanding of the role - where to run, how to maintain your position. You don’t have to be express speed or a marathon man.

Hunter from the WB plays it very nicely and not any kind of special athlete. The Geelong bloke Isaac Smith comments the other day were funny - licks his chops when a non wing specialist lines up in him - they get lost.

Not saying it hurts to be able to run all day but there’s smart running and dumb running. The ability to find and maintain the right space and understand the role is what the coaches look for.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Finlayson would just about be a salary dump. He’s an ok player, but GWS might need to shed some salary with the Kelly extension kicking in. 3rd rounder my guess. Surely there’s zero chance anyone uses a first to get him.

Yep … 3rd rounder

 

[latinoheat]

Another player I’d look at recruiting would be this guy . Hopefully he has a brother as well. I’d like a forward line of Rachele , Rachele


Josh RacheleForward

Age:	11/4/2003
Weight:	78kg
Height:	180cm
Club:	Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country

Josh RacheleForward

Age:	11/4/2003
Weight:	78kg
Height:	180cm
Club:	Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country

A one-time member of the Australian under-17 soccer squad, Rachele turned down a scholarship offer from A-League club Melbourne City to instead focus on his football. The Shepparton product is an explosive X-factor player who has been likened to Greater Western Sydney star Toby Greene

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Toby Greene

Age

32

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

and is a strong forward who can also transition through the midfield. A boarder at Caulfield Grammar, Rachele won the Kevin Sheehan Medal as the best player in Division 1 of the under-16 national championships in 2019 and started 2021 in similar sizzling fashion. In Round 3 of the NAB League, he logged 17 disposals, five marks, seven score involvements and kicked four goals for the Bushrangers. The AFL Academy member, who trained with Carlton earlier this year, also caught the eye in an exhibition match against Geelong’s VFL side in April, finishing as one of two players on his team to kick a goal. Rachele has genuine footy smarts and the athletic traits to match. He finished equal-eighth in the running vertical jump during NAB League pre-season testing, clocking a leap of 92cm.

 

[Jirkago75]

I disagree. Kicking is not a tool someone can make a career out of in a difficult position such as wing, and if Sholl focused in that direction, he's delisted in 2-3 years. He might be able to at half back, but even then Sholl likely needs to develop some intercept ability and have that being his one wood.

Your main weapon has to be a tool that allows you to be able to rack up opportunities to impact the game. It doesn't help in Sholls case the easiest way isn't present in his game which is explosive acceleration. In Sholls case, his career does live and die on his running power. After all, that's the ticket to enhancing his accumulation as well as giving him something to impact defensively. Even if it is just being able to reliably zone. Kicking skills are the icing to that and is what'll push him to give an AA spot a good shake once the cake is there.

Biggest concern for Sholl is that he’s soft and can’t win any one on ones in space yet against another winger.
You can teach players lots of things and the they can learn from them but can you teach someone to be aggressive???

 

[D Style]

Do we still have ties to Leek Aliir?

No he's left the academy. Nice guy. Great athlete. Horrible foot skills. Not what we want.

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[Golumless]

Biggest concern for Sholl is that he’s soft and can’t win any one on ones in space yet against another winger.
You can teach players lots of things and the they can learn from them but can you teach someone to be aggressive???

It isn't a concern. He's an outside midfielder, and the vast majority are all varying degrees of soft. It's a bit of a necessary evil to deal with when someone builds their game away from the coalface/or contest. As long as those defensive numbers aren't at a point where Sholl is a genuine liability, it's at an ok level. He never reached that point in 2021, though it's certainly not a stretch to say he could easily get to that Lukosious level of "oh shit, this kid is as one way as it gets" as Sholl was saved by an unusually strong pressure act number (considering how rough the tackles were). Certainly, an area that needs work, and hopefully another year in the gym helps convert pressure acts to tackles (it's 1.2/14.5, whereas someone like Luko is 1.5/8.8 to give an example of equivalent t and PA).

The Andrew Gaffs of this world are well and truly the exception, not the norm.

 

[Mutineer]

It isn't a concern. He's an outside midfielder, and the vast majority are all varying degrees of soft. It's a bit of a necessary evil to deal with when someone builds their game away from the coalface/or contest. As long as those defensive numbers aren't at a point where Sholl is a genuine liability, it's at an ok level. He never reached that point in 2021, though it's certainly not a stretch to say he could easily get to that Lukosious level of "oh sh*t, this kid is as one way as it gets" as Sholl was saved by an unusually strong pressure act number (considering how rough the tackles were). Certainly, an area that needs work, and hopefully another year in the gym helps convert pressure acts to tackles (it's 1.2/14.5, whereas someone like Luko is 1.5/8.8 to give an example of equivalent t and PA).

The Andrew Gaffs of this world are well and truly the exception, not the norm.

It might not be a concern to you but any one that watches football should be concerned with Sholl's back half of the season....he was awful and there's no way of skirting around that. His lack of contested ball winning was why he slipped dramatically down the draft board in his draft year and once AFL teams came very aware of his hurt factor by foot when allowed to run around like an unregistered stray dog they put time into him and clamped down....all of a sudden his kicking now under a lot more pressure from opponents started to suffer.

 

[baldandbroke]

It might not be a concern to you but any one that watches football should be concerned with Sholl's back half of the season....he was awful and there's no way of skirting around that. His lack of contested ball winning was why he slipped dramatically down the draft board and once AFL teams came very aware of his hurt factor when allowed to run around like an unregistered stray dog they put time into him and clamped down....all of a sudden his kicking now under a lot more pressure from opponents started to suffer.

Of course more attention on a young player makes their job harder - makes them produce less.

It's part of the learning process to becoming a good player. Would you rather players that don't warrant attention?

Hell Sloane struggles with attention!!!!

I think we need to always remember that the path towards being a good AFL footballer is not linear AND very rarely is there a need to panic over the trajectory of a 27 game player. Let him get to 50 games and see where he sits on the curve.

 

[Mutineer]

Of course more attention on a young player makes their job harder - makes them produce less.

It's part of the learning process to becoming a good player. Would you rather players that don't warrant attention?

Hell Sloane struggles with attention!!!!

I think we need to always remember that the path towards being a good AFL footballer is not linear AND very rarely is there a need to panic over the trajectory of a 27 game player. Let him get to 50 games and see where he sits on the curve.

Well good for you that you're not concerned with Sholl's back half of the year....I am.

Time will of course be the judge but I find it a concern.

His last game he was an absolute non entity in the SANFL.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Of course more attention on a young player makes their job harder - makes them produce less.

It's part of the learning process to becoming a good player. Would you rather players that don't warrant attention?

Hell Sloane struggles with attention!!!!

I think we need to always remember that the path towards being a good AFL footballer is not linear AND very rarely is there a need to panic over the trajectory of a 27 game player. Let him get to 50 games and see where he sits on the curve.

Exactly right

We've got plenty of players who don't warrant any opposition attention, including almost an entire midfield unit.

It's a bit like saying don't pay big for Dawson on the back of ONE outstanding season... forgetting that most of our players have had zero outstanding seasons.

Sholl's season ran out of legs and he lost confidence. That's what preseasons and coaches are for. He needed a break or two in the first half of this season but we were still dreaming of 8th spot at that stage

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Well good for you that you're not concerned with Sholl's back half of the year....I am.

Time will of course be the judge but I find it a concern.

His last game he was an absolute non entity in the SANFL.

I don't count players 2nd years, wipe them out, most players are **** .......IMO it's great for Sholls development that he had a shyte year ....he'll work hard in the off-season, far harder than if he had repeated the standard of his 1st year

 

[BRL121]

Well good for you that you're not concerned with Sholl's back half of the year....I am.

Time will of course be the judge but I find it a concern.

His last game he was an absolute non entity in the SANFL.

Indeed. In terms of the "cooked" narrative, it was very interesting that in that last SANFL game I didn't really notice that he was playing for the first three quarters, which was very worrying. Then, for about 5 minutes at the start of the last quarter, presumably after a team rev-up from the coach, he sprung into life and played enthusiastically like the old Sholl, but not for long. I'm not sure whether that was consistent with him being cooked, or something else, related to motivation.

 

[Geoffa32]

It might not be a concern to you but any one that watches football should be concerned with Sholl's back half of the season....he was awful and there's no way of skirting around that. His lack of contested ball winning was why he slipped dramatically down the draft board in his draft year and once AFL teams came very aware of his hurt factor by foot when allowed to run around like an unregistered stray dog they put time into him and clamped down....all of a sudden his kicking now under a lot more pressure from opponents started to suffer.

I think/hope he blew up early in the season with all the running. Hit the wall and the grind of the season impacted him.



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[Mutineer]

I don't count players 2nd years, wipe them out, most players are **** .......IMO it's great for Sholls development that he had a sh*te year ....he'll work hard in the off-season, far harder than if he had repeated the standard of his 1st year

Get back to me mid season 2022 cause I'll sure as Hell get back to you should his decline continue.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Get back to me mid season 2022 cause I'll sure as Hell get back to you should his decline continue.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Best kick in the draft with AFL royalty in his bloodline

Cal Twomey and Nat Edwards discuss the top two draft prospects in this year's pool

www.afl.com.au

 

[Mutineer]

Best kick in the draft with AFL royalty in his bloodline

Cal Twomey and Nat Edwards discuss the top two draft prospects in this year's pool

www.afl.com.au

And not one contested ball get in those highlights

 

[WaynesWorld19]

And not one contested ball get in those highlights

And that's my assessment of a lot of junior footage .....most players look good doing circle work, I want to see how they react under pressure, real pressure .....don't need to see a lot of footage, but many look a $M left alone, but are like a deer in the headlights under pressure .....or they're too slow to react

NWM will be great at the right club .....but varying clubs will have stark contrasting ranking of him

 

[Chase13]

I hate that cal on footy exchange does not even include crows in discussion of what Dawson worth

we supposedly should not even be in hunt for him

everyone sees us as not in hunt for his services

disgusting

hope crows get him

 

[StonesThrow]

Well good for you that you're not concerned with Sholl's back half of the year....I am.

Time will of course be the judge but I find it a concern.

His last game he was an absolute non entity in the SANFL.

You've never really liked him though.

He looked a completely different player in the second half of the year. Even his kicking was mostly poor. I don't think he lost ability so something must have been up.

He seems professional so I'll back him to bounce back next year. Jones turned it around so anyone can.

 

[Mutineer]

Jason Horne-Francis named on the wing and Matt Roberts named on the Panthers extended bench for their sudden death semi-final against the Redlegs.

Teams for the U18's Grand Final...


Glenelg v Woodville West Torrens| Adelaide Oval | 12:10pm | SANFL Digital Pass | theadvertiser.com.au


GLENELG
Tunkin, Window, Lovelock, Stagg, Gluyas, Ridgway, Nicotra, Scannell, Owens, Edwards, Brokensha, Trevena, Brougham Rayson, Beecken, Wiseman, Harding, Virtanen, McGary, Adams, Kaeslar, Porter, Ryan, Gould, Parish


IN: Scannell, McGary, Nicotra





EAGLES


F: Watson, Lukac, Blair


HF: Phillipou, Cooke, D’Aloia


C: Barkla, Launer, O’Reilly


HB: Adams, Hunter-Price, Thomson


B: Williams, Ueding, Wollogorang





R: Phillips, Neumann, Nicholls


INT: Goldie, J. Hendry, Mair, Mansell, Menta, Pearce, B. Schwartz, Siney


IN: Goldie, J. Hendy, Mansell, Menta, B. Schwartz, Siney


OUT: Burgoyne, Hawker