List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

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[Vhaluus]

Had we lost to North in the last game, JHF would be at the Crows. Probably would have needed our 2nd rounder to get it done.

Of course we had to win a game that will screw us for potentially the next 10 years.

I think we were dumb not to tank for another #1 pick tbh. Shouldn't even need to trade for it.

Given how the AFL community rated our list no-one would have blinked at it.

 

[Vhaluus]

Glory be, see you guys in 12+ years time lol.

The timeframe for me winning is likely going to be longer than him winning. if he wins I might have to pay up in 5 years lol.

 

[GROTTO]

I think we were dumb not to tank for another #1 pick tbh. Shouldn't even need to trade for it.

Given how the AFL community rated our list no-one would have blinked at it.

The need for tanking was a result of how unfair and biased the competition is.

The line of not tanking by some on here is so old school its not funny. Its making professional decisions that will benefit the Club long term.

Its really being astute with the situation at hand.

 

[feenix67]

The timeframe for me winning is likely going to be longer than him winning. if he wins I might have to pay up in 5 years lol.

I just feel so connected to you now mate

 

[hey shorty]

I think we were dumb not to tank for another #1 pick tbh. Shouldn't even need to trade for it.

Given how the AFL community rated our list no-one would have blinked at it.

You don't reckon North would have wanted it more.

Given how badly we tried to lose the last game and failed

 

[GROTTO]

You don't reckon North would have wanted it more.

Given how badly we tried to lose the last game and failed

They got within ~ 3goals early in the 4th.

They could have easily have rolled over us.

 

[Vhaluus]

You don't reckon North would have wanted it more.

Given how badly we tried to lose the last game and failed

Well we've seen how badly we both want it this trade week interestingly enough.

You are right that they want it more. But we SHOULD have wanted it more given it was another #1 pick SA lad at stake.

 

[feenix67]

You don't reckon North would have wanted it more.

Given how badly we tried to lose the last game and failed

Frankly, it was the win over Hawthorn that cooked us.

 

[Mutineer]

Do we even know that the Crows made that offer other than media talk....I seriously doubt it.

 

[Vhaluus]

Do we even know that the Crows made that offer other than media talk....I seriously doubt it.

Surely we'd have hosed it down if we didn't?

 

[feenix67]

Do we even know that the Crows made that offer other than media talk....I seriously doubt it.

Drop reported it but he's been a bit iffy lately. It came out of left field though so maybe.

 

[Tas]

Tas I liked your post about North taking our three 1sts.

Would love for you to share your views here. I just think JHF being from SA and if he turns out to be elite is going to be hard for North to keep him.

Three 1sts now may be as good as your going to get for him? Thoughts?

I mean not to mention, you would accelerate your rebuild massively too.

I am not sure how much of a factor the flight risk is, it comes down to the individual. The weaker link is likely going to be the WAG, if he is in a serious relationship with someone from SA and they end up starting a family, they tend to prefer to be around friends and family. For the player it comes down to how social they are, how quickly they form strong bonds with teammates. His coach atm said he doesn't think he is a flight risk, that it isn't in his character.

I do agree there will be a lot more pressure on him than other SA players we have. He would be more aggressively targeted, but I think if he signs long-term agreements then that kind of diminishes that pressure.

I do think if you had pick 2 it would have been a lot more tempting, even if Callaghan doesn't become as good as JHF, he has the attributes to be an elite wingman, it fills more of a need for us than another balanced midfielder/forward and you would have to balance the two top end picks plus the later first round pick vs JHF. If JHF becomes like Petracca/Martin/etc then it is worth the risk for the Crows. I can understand Crows chasing him. You can get a lot of top end talent and that is great, but it is guys like Petracca and Martin that tend to win flags for their side.

I think Dogs have a better midfield with more depth than Melbourne, but Gawn, Petracca and Oliver is far greater than Bonts and the next two. Quality tends to overcome quantity when at the end of the day you have a handful of 1-on-1s that determines the outcome.

I think that is what JHF represents, obviously he has to develop and hit that ceiling he has, and he may not for various reasons. But if he does, I think he has the potential to take a very good team to a flag. Like we got Cunnington a spot after Martin, we are happy with Cunnington, but if Richmond drafted Cunnington and not Martin then I don't think Richmond wins the flags. Even though I rate Cunnington very highly, he is a super inside mid, he doesn't have that Martin ability to win big games.

If you could go back in time, would it be wise for us to give our pick plus two other first rounders to get Martin? It would largely depend on if we could get the rest of the talent in the side. Richmond had acquired a lot of talent before they got Martin. I think Crows would still need to acquire a fair bit of talent to make that investment worthwhile imo.

 

[Mutineer]

Surely we'd have hosed it down if we didn't?

Why?

Might have just been "DROPed" for the Swans benefit?

 

[feenix67]

Tell you what though, if we do pull it off, there's going to be one hell of a "JHF, was it worth it" thread going on here for the next ten years... the kid may be better off going to a minnow for his first contract, just for his own sanity.

 

[Vhaluus]

Why?

Might have just been "DROPed" for the Swans benefit?

If we were doing it for the swans benefit would we have leaked that it was rejected?

Or just leak that the offer was on the table and make the swans feel like they had to make their deal sooner rather than later?

 

[rabidcrow]

I am, and Im willing to bet your house on it

I do get your point, but the same could be said for any player. So at some stage, you just have to take a position on a player and, having done that, do what it takes to get them.

That’s exactly the point. At times you need to take a position and run with it. Melbourne recently took Jackson to the great surprise of most at 3 and then traded into the first round and picked Pickett which many in the media also thought was Ballsy. Both players played a major part in their premiership




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[Crow_68]

Drop reported it but he's been a bit iffy lately. It came out of left field though so maybe.

Thought Twomey was first to go with it, others followed??

 

[feenix67]

Thought Twomey was first to go with it, others followed??

Could have been - as long as it wasn't Edmund it's got legs

 

[rabidcrow]

If we were doing it for the swans benefit would we have leaked that it was rejected?

Or just leak that the offer was on the table and make the swans feel like they had to make their deal sooner rather than later?

It would show the Swans we are potentially moving on to other deals and our best offer to them may diminish because of that - with our fall back position we go to the PSD

It well just be we have told the Swans that’s our best and it may go downhill from here


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[Mutineer]

That’s exactly the point. At times you need to take a position and run with it. Melbourne recently took Jackson to the great surprise of most at 3 and then traded into the first round and picked Pickett which many in the media also thought was Ballsy. Both players played a major part in their premiership




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Big big difference between taking Jackson at 3 and what we were reported to have offered for JH-F, if anything I think the Dees reaching for Pickett was probably a bigger surprise which has absolutely turned to gold for them...kudos to Jason Taylor and his recruiting team's talent identification though it does help when you have picks in that range.

 

[Crow till I die]

Tell you what though, if we do pull it off, there's going to be one hell of a "JHF, was it worth it" thread going on here for the next ten years... the kid may be better off going to a minnow for his first contract, just for his own sanity.

yes and this fella springs to mind as that would be Horne if we paid that price to get him

 

[Bearded Clam]

Do you think Callaghan gets to 4?

Effectively thats what North's discussion should be.

The AFL should introduce a “post Draft trade day”..

Just one day maybe a week after the draft where clubs can take stock of what they’ve bought in over the trade and draft periods and maybe do a trade with other clubs based on the outcome.

So, if the reason north didnt want to risk doing the pick trade adelaide aparently offered was because they want either JHF, Callaghan or Hobbs.. and they are worried all three might be off the board by pick 4…. But, come draft night, north pick JHF, GWS pick Mac Andrew, suns pick up Gibcus and Callaghan ends up at the crows.. north can then say to the crows.. we’ll swap JHF for Callaghan and your first next year plus the dees first and well give you a second rounder back.. essentially do the deal but after the cards have fallen..

 

[Crows I Am]

Tas I liked your post about North taking our three 1sts.

Would love for you to share your views here. I just think JHF being from SA and if he turns out to be elite is going to be hard for North to keep him.

Three 1sts now may be as good as your going to get for him? Thoughts?

I mean not to mention, you would accelerate your rebuild massively too.

Why are people assuming he will want to come back to SA if he goes to North? Its not like every SA draftee that heads to Vic ends up coming back. It would be different if he was heading to Gold Coast, but I definitely don't think it's a given he will come back like some are suggesting. There has been plenty of SA kids that went to Vic clubs over the years that never came back.

North are a young rebuilding side who will start rising up the ladder soon like us. He will be part of a young side with plenty of talent and will quickly become one of their most important players if he comes on like most are assuming.

 

[Mutineer]

Why are people assuming he will want to come back to SA if he goes to North? Its not like every SA draftee that heads to Vic ends up coming back. It would be different if he was heading to Gold Coast, but I definitely don't think it's a given he will come back like some are suggesting. There has been plenty of SA kids that went to Vic clubs over the years that never came back.

North are a young rebuilding side who will start rising up the ladder soon like us. He will be part of a young side with plenty of talent and will quickly become one of their most important players if he comes on like most are assuming.

I get the vibe Jason is very close with his stepfather and mother and their new sibling from the interviews I've heard?

 

[GROTTO]

Why are people assuming he will want to come back to SA if he goes to North? Its not like every SA draftee that heads to Vic ends up coming back. It would be different if he was heading to Gold Coast, but I definitely don't think it's a given he will come back like some are suggesting. There has been plenty of SA kids that went to Vic clubs over the years that never came back.

North are a young rebuilding side who will start rising up the ladder soon like us. He will be part of a young side with plenty of talent and will quickly become one of their most important players if he comes on like most are assuming.

If he was going to a good Vic side, it would be a different story.

Im more than confident North will lose him and wont have him long term.