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Looking through this years Brownlow though, only Steel (who finished joint 5th) was drafted outside the top 7 in their draft year.

2021 Brownlow Results
1. Pick 7 - Wines
2. Pick 4 - Bont
3. Pick 4 - Oliver
4. Pick 1 - Walsh
5.Pick 5 - Parish
5. Pick 24 - Steel

If we can get the Dogs pick 17 and bundle it up to get a pick in the first half dozen, then history shows that we are far more likely to get a star than even with pick 7 or 15.
 
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Aeons said:
The recruiters have done a fantastic job finding talent outside the system especially during recent lean draft years...now it's time to reload on some future guns...thinking two out of Callaghan, hobbs, ward or possibly Erasmus would set us up nicely....
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You are not asking for much.
 
Football Tragic said:
Looking through this years Brownlow though, only Steel (who finished joint 5th) was drafted outside the top 7 in their draft year.

1. Pick 7 - Wines
2. Pick 4 - Bont
3. Pick 4 - Oliver
4. Pick 1 - Walsh
5.Pick 5 - Parish
5. Pick 24 - Steel

If we can get the Dogs pick 17 and bundle it up to get a pick in the first half dozen, then history shows that we are far more likely to get a star than even with pick 7 or 15.
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Seems from this info that Brownlow vote-catching midfielders are the particular type of player to be found in the first half dozen or so.
Great players can be found deeper, Rance @18 , Riewoldt @13, Bolton, @29 etc...
 

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Rocco sifreddi said:
He didn't get alot of time on the ball, but didn't impact when he was there, he's a medium forward
Nothing else, squeezed out once lynch arrived
Plus chol, ccj rotating forward made it even harder
For him to cement a spot.
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2017 Caddy was up fwd but I watched the 2019 GF again and Caddy played on the wing. But Kmac didn't play that game. BEllis was on the other wing. Round 1 this year Cadds and Kmac lined up on the wing. Caddy was dropped after some reasonable numbers vs Sydney.
I think if we get some good young'uns in the draft, our good midfielders might get squeezed into the wing. Caddy will find it hard to get another game and I don't think Kmac is irreplaceable. I prefer Pickett. But if Tarrant, Talia can get picked up by other clubs then someone would take Caddy for some of his contract
 
Jozzy said:
The only way it can be done with a contracted players is for them to be paid out and then re-drafted. That's never going to happen mate.
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Dont think so mate

You can delist a player and rookie him and he will be on the same salary with some of his salary off the books due to being a rookie
If another team takes him for less salary then you pay the difference
 
Maurice Mitchell said:
Thought it was interesting and perhaps a bit of a clue when Dimma said first rounders should be ready to play seniors.
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The top 5 or maybe 10 that is true of, except talls. Thsi is because they are exceptional talents to go that early. But I'd be really pissed if we pick guys that are physically ready but have B grade ceiling. I would rather guys that are bit players up front and A grade down the track. Even Cotch, Dusty and Lids were not really good for a few years.

By pick 18 having them ready to go is perhaps a problem. Think of RCD. Potential elite talent, but nowhere near ready to go up front. In 5 years we'll be screaming if we pick vanilla man boys.

If we get this right we'll have a good to very good midfield for a decade. It's total luck, unless we get a top 3 pick (this year as that is top 5 players) to get that ready made top end talent.

However, if we can trade into pick 2 or 3 then WOW!!!
 

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Rioli2Rioli said:
Dont think so mate

You can delist a player and rookie him and he will be on the same salary with some of his salary off the books due to being a rookie
If another team takes him for less salary then you pay the difference
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If you delist a contracted player you have to pay their contract out.

Look at Collingwood last year, they had to have their "fire sale" because they had to remove players from their books. They didn't just delist the players so their rookie list picked some of their wages.
 
Inner Sanctum October Rankings

1. Jason Horne-Francis
South Adelaide/South Australia | Midfielder

21/06/2003 | 184cm | 78kg

SANFL League: 20 games | 16.5 disp | 0.8 goals

Possessing an ability to burst through packs with ball in hand, then soar through the air and take marks over ruckmen, Horne-Francis is truly an all-round midfielder. With all that said, his most impressive trait is his consistent application without the ball. He launches himself for tackles, smothers and spoils, and runs hard back into defence. Horne-Francis was the best player in his side in a SANFL preliminary final, kicking three goals and exciting every North Melbourne fan around the country.

Best traits similar to: Patrick Dangerfield

2. Nick Daicos
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro | Midfielder

3/01/2003 | 183cm | 72kg

NAB League: 5 games | 35.8 disp | 2.0 goals

Daicos has completely dominated the NAB League this season, collecting the ball at will while showcasing elite decision-making and vision. His football IQ is through the roof and his work-rate is elite, meaning he gets to a lot of contests and often finds the ball in space. He possesses superb evasiveness similar to his brother and loves getting forward to impact the scoreboard. His 41-disposal, two-goal performance against Vic Country was one of the most impressive games seen at the level – he’ll be ready to play senior football for the Pies right away.

Best traits similar to: Zach Merrett

3. Sam Darcy
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro | Key Forward/Ruck

19/08/2003 | 204cm | 75kg

NAB League: 3 games | 16.0 disp | 6.0 HOs

Incredible development over his draft year lands Darcy at three, with the son of Bulldog great Luke ripping games apart like no one else. His height, coupled with sticky hands that snare the ball brilliantly below his knees and pluck the ball out of the sky easily gives him an advantage over the chasing pack of key position players in the pool. His agility is also a standout, with the son-of-a-gun being able to balance himself out as he spins away from trouble which has seen him kick position-defying goals this year from open play.

Best traits similar to: Max King

4. Finn Callaghan
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro | Midfielder

26/04/2003 | 189cm | 82kg

NAB League: 6 games | 24.3 disp | 4.5 marks

Making the most of his draft year, Callaghan has put it all together to become a genuine top-five prospect. He’s flourished outside of congestion as a wingman and half-back, but his on-ball move was where he showcased attributes that few possess. He has a certain grace about the way he shifts through congestion, picking out targets under pressure and utilising his penetrating left foot going inside 50. Callaghan offers a tantalising inside/outside game at an appealing size for a modern-day midfielder.

Best traits similar to: Josh Kelly

5. Neil Erasmus
Subiaco/Western Australia | Midfielder/Forward

2/12/2003 | 188cm | 80kg

WAFL Colts: 4 games | 28 disp | 7.7 marks

Erasmus had a sensational finals campaign with Subiaco that culminated in the 2020 Colts flag. He kicked four goals in the Grand Final, but in 2021 he’s taken his game to the next level, transitioning into a weapon in the midfield. His progression as a contested player is eye-catching, and he still plays with freedom that showcases his leap and athletic traits. Erasmus has struggled with constant niggles to rule him out of action in the back-end of the year, but he’s shown enough to place in the top five.

Best traits similar to: Zac Bailey

6. Josh Ward
Northern Knights/Vic Metro | Midfielder

15/08/2003 | 181cm | 79kg

5 games | 30.2 disp | 4.8 tackles

A gut-runner with skill and tenacity, Ward is a premier pure midfielder in the draft crop. Playing on-ball for the Knights, he consistently finds possession in the clinches despite his smaller frame, putting his head over the ball 20-plus times a game and winning it time again. From there, he is often the first midfielder to the next contest which has seen him hit the scoreboard in the NAB League. There’s huge upside as a midfielder at the next level when Ward gets pre-seasons under his belt.

Best traits similar to: Sam Walsh

7. Josh Rachele
Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country | Forward/Midfielder

11/04/2003 | 180cm | 78kg

NAB League: 4 games | 18.5 disp | 2.7 goals

Rachele is unique in his highlight-reel play combined with best-in-class leadership. The powerful small-medium forward plays above his height with gravity-defying aerial exploits, and weaves his way through trouble with ball in hand to snap freakish goals. He also pushes through the midfield and bursts through packs with serious power. All of that makes him a bonafide top pick, but what solidifies it is his huge character and clubman attitude. He is as likely as anyone in this pool to captain an AFL team.

Best traits similar to: Toby Greene

8. Tyler Sonsie
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro | Midfielder/Forward

27/01/2003 | 181cm | 77kg

NAB League: 5 games | 23.0 disp | 1.0 goals

Sonsie offers top-five potential, but injury and hit-and-miss performances didn’t help him perform at the top of his game for the entire year. At his best, he is a Rolls-Royce outside midfielder who can slice a team apart with elite decision-making and disposal. That was all on show in his debut for Box Hill VFL, enjoying 26 touches and two goals. There are few better in the draft, but injury leaves some question marks on his contested work and consistency.

Best traits similar to: Tarryn Thomas


9. Ben Hobbs
GWV Rebels/Vic Country | Inside Midfielder

16/09/2003 | 183cm | 80kg

NAB League: 6 games | 25.0 disp | 5.0 tackles

Hobbs offers the best contested ball winning rate in the pool. He’s a true in-and-under type who seems to either win possession or lay a crunching tackle at every contest. What he lacks in athleticism, he is able to make up for in great reading of the play and a high-octane style that smaller bodies in the NAB League can’t match up with. His leadership at the Rebels has also been ultra-impressive, and it’s an important aspect of his game that has come to the fore this season.

Best traits similar to: Taylor Adams

10. Mac Andrew
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country | Ruck/Utility

12/04/2003 | 200cm | 70kg

NAB League: 6 games | 12.6 disp | 12.6 HOs

Andrew has gotten better as the competition increases around him. He possesses the deft touch that ruckmen like Paddy Ryder utilise to great effect when getting the ball down to their midfielders. Around the ground, he offers boundless athleticism to surge past opponents, and a pogo-stick vertical jump to take pack marks despite his lighter frame. There is a lot of work to be done in the gym for Andrew, but there remains best-in-class upside about what he can become at the next level if he can put it all together. Despite being a Melbourne NGA product, the Demons won’t be able to match a bid within the top 20 picks.

Best traits similar to: Paddy Ryder

11. Josh Gibcus
GWV Rebels/Vic Country | Key Defender

4/04/2003 | 195cm | 84kg

NAB League: 10 games | 12.5 disp | 4.4 marks

Gibcus is the most proven key defender in the draft. He’s at his best when he flies for his marks and hits the ground running, generating the drive as well as defensive soundness in the back-half for the Rebels. He very rarely gets beaten in one-on-one situations, positioning himself well and reading the flight of the ball better than most. Gibcus had a great last-quarter battle with Sam Darcy in the Country vs Metro hit-out earlier in the year where he broke even despite giving up a few inches in height.

Best traits similar to: Jake Lever

12. Arlo Draper
South Adelaide/South Australia | Midfielder/Forward

20/01/2003 | 185cm | 71kg

SANFL U18s: 9 games | 24.1 disp | 1.1 goals

After making his senior debut for the Panthers, Draper came back to U18s level for an elimination final and was in his side’s best. He takes the game on with aggression and impressive athleticism, and remains skilful and composed with ball in hand. The high-flyer has impressed with his time in the midfield, but figures to start his career as an X-factor forward-half player that can apply pressure defensively and hit the scoreboard.

Best traits similar to: Chad Wingard

13. Josh Goater
Calder Cannons/Vic Metro | Midfielder

2/06/2003 | 190cm | 79kg

NAB League: 7 games | 24.0 disp | 5.0 marks

Goater had been a bit of an unknown before this season. Thrown around the ground and unable to take over a game beforehand, he has excelled when given an opportunity. Playing as an inside midfielder for Metro, Goater utilised all of his athletic gifts and height to dominate in the trial match with 26 disposals. He’s powerful off the mark, has an impressive leap and stop-on-a-dime evasiveness. All of these talents could make him outstanding off half-back as well, but his play throughout in the engine room has been superb in 2021 and there’s sky-high upside as an athlete that will tempt clubs picking in the top 10.

Best traits similar to: Elliot Yeo

14. Jye Amiss
East Perth/Western Australia | Key Forward

31/07/2003 | 195cm | 85kg

WAFL Colts: 15 games | 10.9 disp | 2.9 goals

Amiss doesn’t miss in front of the big sticks this season, booting 51 goals for the Royals. He presents at the ball like a traditional key forward and his work-rate around the ground is huge – including defensively. He was a standout in the first U19s Championships match against South Australia and played an unselfish game to get teammates involved, but struggled to impact in East Perth’s finals series. Despite this, Amiss has the most runs on the board of any key forward around the country.

Best traits similar to: Jack Riewoldt

15. Josh Sinn
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro | General Defender

7/01/2003 | 186cm | 82kg

NAB League: 5 games | 17.6 disp | 3.4 marks

Sinn is a pure line-breaker with great speed and an attitude to take the game on. He boasts a penetrating left foot that is a weapon entering the 50, and can run 15 metres either side of a bounce and deliver a pin-point pass from 50m away. He hasn’t been troubled defensively either for the Dragons in a sign he could play senior football early on. Sinn needs to become a more reliable kick over 20-30m and does fade out of games at points, but he projects to be an excellent half-back at the next level who could make a move into the midfield as he learns to use his physicality.

Best traits similar to: Jack Crisp

16. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
Glenelg/South Australia | Midfielder/Utility

22/02/2003 | 187cm | 70kg

SANFL Reserves: 11 games | 15.5 disp | 0.4 goals

Nephew of Brownlow Medallist Gavin Wanganeen and step-son of former Saint Terry Milera, Wanganeen-Milera has been ultra-impressive for Glenelg in 2021. Playing in the reserves, he earned a call-up to senior level after consistent performances as a wingman. He has a bag of tricks, and is dangerous with ball in hand entering the 50 because he often makes the right decision and can pull off precise passes. His exploits against Western Australia were a culmination of the performances he has built upon in 2021 and has seen him rocket up draft boards.

Best traits similar to: Lachie Whitfield

17. Jacob Van Rooyen
Claremont/Western Australia | Key Forward/Utility

16/04/2003 | 195cm | 88kg

WAFL Colts: 8 games | 14.4 disp | 3.8 goals

Van Rooyen has enjoyed an excellent finals campaign with seven goals in two games in the colts after exposure to league football earlier in the year. He has shown some glimpses as a key defender including a dominant intercepting display against South Australia where he hit the ground charging forward with ball in hand. Thrown forward in the second match, he kicked the winning goal with seconds left. Van Rooyen’s improved consistency in games and impact at both ends pushes him up the draft board, with his ability to play at both ends appealing to clubs.

Best traits similar to: Darcy Moore

18. Matthew Roberts
South Adelaide/South Australia | Midfielder

31/07/2003 | 183cm | 81kg

SANFL League: 7 games | 11.1 disp | 0.9 goals

Getting an extended run in the seniors, Roberts has shown some real class on the wing for the Panthers. Over the years he has demonstrated his ability as an inside midfielder with a capacity to rip the ball out in stoppages and feed runners, and he has made great strides in his ball use and composure since coming back from a syndesmosis earlier in the year. Roberts has a booming left boot at his disposal that has come to the fore with regularity, and continues to add outside aspects to his game including some goal threat for the Panthers that was evident early in the preliminary final.

Best traits similar to: Rory Sloane

19. Matthew Johnson
Subiaco/Western Australia | Inside Midfielder

16/03/2003 | 193cm | 80kg

WAFL Reserves: 6 games | 21.3 disp | 0.5 goals

A modern day on-ball prototype, Johnson uses his height and sticky hands to extract the ball and feed outside runners. He has shown some nice agility in close, and has had a taste of senior level before coming back and bringing a new level of aggression to his midfield craft at both colts and reserves level. Johnson still has more to show, and a big state champs and reserves finals campaign could push him high on draft boards given his desirable traits.

Best traits similar to: Jack Macrae


20. Campbell Chesser
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Country | Outside Midfielder

27/04/2003 | 186cm | 83kg

NAB League: 3 games | 18.3 disp | 3.0 marks

Chesser is lightning-quick and a classy ball user, but a torn meniscus robbed the outside midfielder of six weeks in the middle of the season. However, what we have seen is impressive; he’s taken up leadership roles in multiple teams, including being named co-captain of Vic Metro in the U16s where he was an All-Australian. Chesser is a really smart kick and can impact at either end, or on a wing where his speed comes to the fore on the edge of contests.

Best traits similar to: Oliver Florent

21. Josh Fahey
GWS GIANTS Academy/Allies | General Defender

11/11/2003 | 186cm | 76kg

AFL Academy: 1 game | 23.0 disp | 2.0 marks

A best on ground performance for the AFL Academy in its clash with Geelong VFL has Fahey holding his ranking. He delivers the ball beautifully from defensive 50 with his raking left boot and has a huge engine to run all day with high half-forwards. His defensive instincts and ball use gives him a high floor as a prospect, and his propensity to deliver in big games moves him to the precipice of the first round despite struggling to play games in the ACT.

Best traits similar to: Isaac Cumming

22. Darcy Wilmot
Northern Knights/Vic Metro | General Defender

31/12/2003 | 183cm | 75kg

NAB League: 7 games | 15.1 disp | 2.7 marks

Charging off the line with vigour, Wilmot is a pocket rocket when his side forces the turnover. He plays undaunted footy with ball in hand, finding chests by foot and taking on would-be tacklers out of the backline. Wilmot has played good shutdown roles this season as well which adds to his value as a first-round prospect, and clubs will like his upside as a hard-nosed flanker.

Best traits similar to: Lachie Ash

23. Jack Williams
East Fremantle/Western Australia | Key Forward

01/12/2003 | 195cm | 91kg

WAFL Colts: 11 games | 15.6 disp | 2.9 goals

Strong and aggressive, Williams has impressed for the Sharks as a consistent target up the line and inside the forward 50. He’s quick to read the ball off the boot and is an accurate kick for goal, as well as spending good time in the ruck and showing flashes behind the ball as well. Williams’ versatility has been a good point of difference to go with his consistency of form this year in the colts, plus has a coveted basketball background.

Best traits similar to: Tom McDonald

24. Toby Conway
Geelong Falcons/Vic Country | Ruck

24/04/2003 | 204cm | 90kg

NAB League: 6 games | 13.8 disp | 27.1 HOs

More of a traditional ruckman, Conway has dominated his four NAB League ruck duels and stamped his arrival as a dominant big man. His tap-work is good and he gets around the ground really well, attending a lot of contests and winning the ball at ground level to go with his aerial ability. He will take some time to add to his frame and learn to use his physicality, but Conway has high upside.

Best traits similar to: Reilly O’Brien

25. Joshua Browne
East Fremantle/Western Australia | Midfielder

3/01/2003 | 185cm | 77kg

WAFL Colts: 13 games | 32.8 disp | 0.8 goals

A highly prolific on-baller, Browne propelled the Sharks this year off the back of an insatiable work-rate complemented by an ability to find the ball both on the inside and outside. He has also become damaging in the forward half, while still working hard defensively and applying pressure. The gut-runner took home the Jack Clarke Medal for best and fairest in the WAFL Colts in 2021.

Best traits similar to: Cam Guthrie

26. Judson Clarke
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country | General Forward

17/10/2003 | 179cm | 69kg

NAB League: 5 games | 17.6 disp | 0.8 goals

Showing good forward craft for the Stingrays, Clarke is nimble on his feet and tough to tackle for opponents with ball in hand. A smart small forward, he takes advantage of defensive mistakes and hits the scoreboard when the ball comes off packs by reading it well and showcasing a clean pair of heels. His trial game against Metro was brilliant with five goals. Clarke hasn’t shown much up the ground, but knows his job and puts together really good small forward games.

Best traits similar to: Lincoln McCarthy

27. Sam Butler
GWV Rebels/Vic Country | Midfielder/Forward

10/02/2003 | 184cm | 73kg

NAB League: 7 games | 16.7 disp | 0.9 goals

The younger brother of the Saints’ Dan, Butler is a live-wire midfielder who makes a big impact when the ball hits the deck. His forward pressure is first-class and he usually takes advantage of his opportunities when he gets the ball. He’s pushed into the midfield and shown an ability to win his own ball, but does some of his best work at the feet of tall forwards where he reads the ball off the pack and hits it with pace.

Best traits similar to: Zac Fisher

28. Rhett Bazzo
Swan Districts/Western Australia | Key Defender

17/10/2003 | 195cm | 81kg

WAFL Colts: 7 games | 10.9 disp | 4.1 marks

With one of the great names of the draft class, Bazzo has steadily climbed draft boards as he’s pieced together consistent form down back. His State Champs games have been eye-catching with intercept ability and composure with ball in hand. He uses the ball tidily and has been able to blanket key forwards in the second half of the year to boost his stock in a pool that doesn’t boast too many elite key backs.

Best traits similar to: Tom Barrass

29. Zac Taylor
Calder Cannons/Vic Metro | Midfielder

31/01/2003 | 180cm | 74kg

NAB League: 7 games | 26.0 disp | 4.1 tackles

Offering a bag of tricks and a high-octane style, Taylor goes about his business in a different way to most midfielders. He manages to find slivers of daylight and uses the ball intelligently going forward, and has a keen defensive side to his play as well. He’s a point of difference midfielder for clubs to consider in the second round.

Best traits similar to: Errol Gulden

30. Mitch Knevitt
Geelong Falcons/Vic Country | Midfielder

08/01/2003 | 193cm | 83kg

NAB League: 9 games | 24.3 disp | 4.3 tackles

Always competitive and desperate in contested situations, Knevitt carried the Falcons in the final games of the season. He had 36 disposals and a goal against the Bendigo Pioneers to rocket onto recruiter’s radars, with his height as a contested ball-winner a tantalising prospect. Knevitt had found his best form when lockdowns hit Victoria.

Best traits similar to: Tom Green
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
Dont think so mate

You can delist a player and rookie him and he will be on the same salary with some of his salary off the books due to being a rookie
If another team takes him for less salary then you pay the difference
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Maybe last year. 2 players could straight onto the rookie list without having to delist and then rookie list them. Pretty sure the only only way to use up Caddy's salary is if some club takes him. Maybe we take some of his salary.
I did notice he's started a gym business. (a good idea during covid?) maybe money laundering front for Jake King/Shane Martin?
Our list has just the 4 confirmed OUTs, Dave, Bachar, Naishy & Chol.
 
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Van Rooyan looks a gun
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He's won me over. Maybe he's the forward option that we need. Too many giant, lumbering forwards go high these days when a more mobile, clever guy like Jack Riewoldt is what i think we need.

It's why I liked the look of Treacy at Freo. I reckon he will be good.

Peter Coles is an interesting one. No idea about him, and if he's nominated for the draft or if he's even old enough but kicked a lovely goal there.

You don't draft a guy on one goal, but I saw him earlier in the game showing a lot of intent. Seems a goer and you can't teach energy and passion.

Plus, there's not enough Peters in the comp.
 
Maurice Mitchell said:
He's won me over. Maybe he's the forward option that we need. Too many giant, lumbering forwards go high these days when a more mobile, clever guy like Jack Riewoldt is what i think we need.

It's why I liked the look of Treacy at Freo. I reckon he will be good.

Peter Coles is an interesting one. No idea about him, and if he's nominated for the draft or if he's even old enough but kicked a lovely goal there.

You don't draft a guy on one goal, but I saw him earlier in the game showing a lot of intent. Seems a goer and you can't teach energy and passion.

Plus, there's not enough Peters in the comp.
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It’s why we need the doggies pick so bad.
Van Roo with our pick 15 would be gold and then the best mid at 17 on top of best mid at 7.

could really set us up
 

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tigs2010 said:
Said it all along JvR is our JR replacement. Will need to take him at 15
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I am pretty sure our club has the same thinking. A Callahan/Ward and JVR draft sets us up so much with Cotch and Jack probably going next year. With hopefully the Bulldogs pick and a couple of other nice picks to come. This is bloody exciting.
 

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