List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I think Hobbs has an immediate impact this year. On the other hand Callaghan is a potential generational talent that will have impact in the following years

Mathew lloyd more or less said the same.
Hobbs=Straight away
Callaghan=Bigger ceiling down the track.

 

[Mr Magic]

Mathew lloyd more or less said the same.
Hobbs=Straight away
Callaghan=Bigger ceiling down the track.

With Hobbs, I am not sure what he does at the moment can necessarily translate to the elite level as well.
Don't get me wrong, he is a good player. However, what he is doing now, given that he has not had many teammates chopping him out and a diversity of opposition in terms of SA and WA, I am not sure it will be replicated with similar impact against different better opposition.

Would I get him at a high pick? Maybe not, pick 15 for sure and he is apparently a Tigers supporter

 

[tiger_tough]

, when leaders of the pack are that good at clearances would be a strange strategy indeed to fail to address our biggest weakness : clearances

I'm sure they will over pre season regardless of who we pick up in the draft

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Personally, I'm probably taking Callaghan on his own over say Erasmus and Van Rooyen. I just feel like he's a much higher chance of becoming a real superstar. You only normally get the opportunity to draft that sort of player if you're rebuilding.

If you cast your mind back to the 2009 draft, Sydney offered us picks 6 (Gary Rohan) and 14 (Lewis Jetta) for pick 3 (Dusty). That there is the perfect example of why I'd do the trade and take Callaghan.

Some retrospect in play there though. There is a chance he becomes the pick 1 or 2 gun mids from that draft and Ward becomes the Dusty!

 

[Mego Red]

I'd be happy with 4 & 33 for 7 & 26, if it guarantees us Hobbs/Ward

No disrespect (and I come in peace), but there's zero chance the Crows do that.

I proposed 4 and 33 for 7, 26 and 28 on the Crows board, and got wildly shot down.

I think the cost of jumping for 7 to 4 has been set historically, and while this isn't a year where you need another 1st to make that jump (as has happened in the past), it needs more than a reasonably irrelevant pick swap.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Counterpoint. Adelaide fans are dumbasses

 

[Mego Red]

Thats not a bad deal which would look appealing to the Crows.

It'd be interesting to see what kind of response you get, if you proposed it on the Crows board.

Obviously neither board has any impact on their club's decision making, but it's an interesting barometer.

 

[Mego Red]

Counterpoint. Adelaide fans are dumbasses

I think Adelaide fans are about exactly as dumb as Richmond or any other club.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

It'd be interesting to see what kind of response you get, if you proposed it on the Crows board.

Obviously neither board has any impact on their club's decision making, but it's an interesting barometer.

Well in the context that you guys are very keen on Rachelle.

 

[Moppey]

Callaghan has more potential than any player in the draft when it comes to being able to win his own ball at the next level. This board seems to have come to the conclusion that Hobbs is the only player who is contested ball winner in this draft when the likes of Owens, Johnson, Callaghan, Horne Francis and Goater are either already ahead of Hobbs (JHF) or will likely develop better ball winning capacity as they mature.

I wouldn't be disappointed with Hobbs and have come around to him a little despite having a few areas of his game that I dislike. But we won't be trading up for him and Tigerbob has already stated that we prefer Ward in any case.



And can't jump. Best case scenario he is like Brody Mihocek but more likely a Jack Hayes who dominates at state level but lacks the height and athletic ability to do it at the highest level.

the one im coming around to is Goater a great size and great pace and gets his hands on the ball.

My preference at each pick would go
9 Erasmus/ward/Hobbs. any one of the three who is there.
17 Goater it seems a lot of drafts have him going around here.I was hoping JVR might be available here but if Goater is still there take him
28 Knevitt
29 Bazzo
30 Howes/Williams.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

No disrespect (and I come in peace), but there's zero chance the Crows do that.

I proposed 4 and 33 for 7, 26 and 28 on the Crows board, and got wildly shot down.

I think the cost of jumping for 7 to 4 has been set historically, and while this isn't a year where you need another 1st to make that jump (as has happened in the past), it needs more than a reasonably irrelevant pick swap.

Yes and no. Each and every draft are different.

Surprised your deal got shot down though. A 7 pick upgrade and a mid 2nd rounder isn't probably too bad for a 3 pick downgrade at the top of this draft considering Callaghan and JHF likely gone. Like I said each and every draft and circumstances are different.

Will be really interesting to see how it shakes out draft night.

I'm just glad there are far more qualified people than us with a lot more data on the kids.


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[GhostofJimJess]

I wouldn't be trading to get to 2.
There will be a great player at 7 (9). We will have a choice of Hobbs, Ward, Sonsie, Andrew, Johnson, Erasmus. Then at 15 we will have another multitude of choices. And then they can really speculate with X factor types at 26, 27 and 28.
We should not trade next year's first. Imagine if the injury gods curse us even more next year and we end up trading a top 5 pick?

Agree with every part of this post.

I could also see that if we fill our boots by #28 with 4 highly sought players that we might live trade that to Port for their 2022 2nd rounder (+ maybe their 2022 3rd if Port spot a slider they really want).

 

[GhostofJimJess]

No disrespect (and I come in peace), but there's zero chance the Crows do that.

I proposed 4 and 33 for 7, 26 and 28 on the Crows board, and got wildly shot down.

I think the cost of jumping for 7 to 4 has been set historically, and while this isn't a year where you need another 1st to make that jump (as has happened in the past), it needs more than a reasonably irrelevant pick swap.

Yeah, the Crows would be mad to do this. We wouldn't. There's very little chance of this trade getting any traction.

 

[Lacustrus]

Personally, I'm probably taking Callaghan on his own over say Erasmus and Van Rooyen. I just feel like he's a much higher chance of becoming a real superstar. You only normally get the opportunity to draft that sort of player if you're rebuilding.

If you cast your mind back to the 2009 draft, Sydney offered us picks 6 (Gary Rohan) and 14 (Lewis Jetta) for pick 3 (Dusty). That there is the perfect example of why I'd do the trade and take Callaghan.

yep, you want to trade in player that are

No disrespect (and I come in peace), but there's zero chance the Crows do that.

I proposed 4 and 33 for 7, 26 and 28 on the Crows board, and got wildly shot down.

I think the cost of jumping for 7 to 4 has been set historically, and while this isn't a year where you need another 1st to make that jump (as has happened in the past), it needs more than a reasonably irrelevant pick swap.

‘I come in peace’ lol….

 

[Bojangles17]

When is the Nd , no details anywhere

 

[richoatthedisco]

Williams is too slow which is fine if you have Jack’s elite IQ but doubt he does

He's quicker then Jacob van oveRoyted.

And can't jump.

Neither can JVR.

no it doesn't

Mental maturity and growing into your body are key factors

Especially when you're 6'5.

The only player to trade up for is Callaghan. Or use the later picks to get another top 15 and come away with three of Rachele, Sonsie, Johnson, Butler and Goater.

 

[Mr Magic]

No disrespect (and I come in peace), but there's zero chance the Crows do that.

I proposed 4 and 33 for 7, 26 and 28 on the Crows board, and got wildly shot down.

I think the cost of jumping for 7 to 4 has been set historically, and while this isn't a year where you need another 1st to make that jump (as has happened in the past), it needs more than a reasonably irrelevant pick swap.

Ha Ha, that's fine. What also is fine is for RFC and other clubs to slip by in the night and we keep what we have including 7 and 15.

It sounds like clubs want our pick 7 and others more-so than we need theirs.

 

[Wrenny]

When is the Nd , no details anywhere

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

 

[Cotchy9]

Jay Clark has done an early kick draft but it’s behind a paywall if anyone can post it? Cheers

 

[Rubber Hips]

Can’t wait for our great club to draft absolute guns….some of them at least

bring it …RFC

 

[Rubber Hips]

Doing it for Dad: Family tragedy fuels Bazzo's AFL ambitions

Draft prospect Rhett Bazzo is inspired by the memory of his late father

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my man Rhett Bazzo

 

[Noidnadroj]

Don’t really like the look of Hobbs… if we are going to pick up a player like that we may as well have traded 7 to Hawthorn for Mitchell (+ his salary pretty much paid).

Erasmus looks far more likely to have genuine impact at AFL level. Callaghan looks good too… would love if we worked out a way to get both.

Except Hobbs will be hitting his peak when Richmond is hopefully back contending for flags (2026 onwards) when Mitchell is hanging up his boots.


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[Tomnat Tigers]

Yeah but he is not the same as the rest of the draft age , You cant tell me a 17 year old kid is as developed as he would be 12 months later !
If Williams was 3-4 weeks younger and had to play colts next year do you really believe he wouldnt have a bigger impact ? Have more fitness ? Or even have more height and size ?

Its not about how developed they're but how developed they're in relation to the rest of the draft class. If Williams was in next years draft class and put on an extra 3-4 kg's over the off season he would 194cm and around 90kg's, you would hope he would be dominating. Likewise you would expect he his current height and weight to not being holding him back against the current crop of draftees.

no it doesn't

Mental maturity and growing into your body are key factors

Mental maturity isn't a factor between someone born in January and December. If you were kept back a year at school it would be a factor but you're not going to be any more mental mature than the people your own age based on the month you're born in. A lot more important factors in play such as parents, up bringing, ect.

While growing into your body is heavily dependant on the individual, in Williams situation he isn't a player who physically is disadvantaged from having being born later than the rest of his draft class. In fact out of all the KPP in the draft that have considered in the top 30, Williams is the one who physically ahead of the rest.

A player like Darcy Wilmot (31/12/03) is someone who physically is someone possibly disadvantaged by being the later birth month.

He's quicker then Jacob van oveRoyted.


Neither can JVR.


Especially when you're 6'5.

The only player to trade up for is Callaghan. Or use the later picks to get another top 15 and come away with three of Rachele, Sonsie, Johnson, Butler and Goater.

JVR pace is the only reason I would consider him with 17. Easily quicker than Williams who runs in quick sand.

 

[richoatthedisco]

JVR pace is the only reason I would consider him with 17. Easily quicker than Williams who runs in quick sand.

Nope.

 

[dean33]

If pies had pick 2, Daicos would have been bid on at pick 1

No they wouldn’t. Even if it mean a trade of picks in north’s favour as a thank you for not bidding. Pies missed out big time. Different if they missed on pock 3 or 4, but pick 2? Massive stuff up.