List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

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[DoItForCaptBlood]

If Mac Andrew is available at our pick it probably means that Ward, Callaghan and Hobbs have all gone. I would be looking at who wants him and how badly. I would look to get in a first rounder next year as well as still getting a lower 1st this year. So for GWS I would look at getting 13 plus a 1st next year minimum depending on who we are targetting and how we see the remainder of the 1st round panning out. Probably wouldn't drop any further down that the GWS pick though.

Yes, it will be interesting if he's still available at our pick and we see our team ask for a time extension because the phone is ringing.

 

[beema limapep]

More on topic posts please.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Yes, it will be interesting if he's still available at our pick and we see our team ask for a time extension because the phone is ringing.

Only team that would be ringing is GWS or Melbourne that would be eager to jump up and grab him

Clearly GWS would include #13 (15) but what else ? and do we want to slide that far back to 15 ?
If that was the case i would think Brisbane would be interested in #14 + F1 for our pick #7+F2

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Only team that would be ringing is GWS or Melbourne that would be eager to jump up and grab him

Clearly GWS would include #13 (15) but what else ? and do we want to slide that far back to 15 ?
If that was the case i would think Brisbane would be interested in #14 + F1 for our pick #7+F2

If we are determined to get one of the top mids, but they all go before us, Callaghan, Ward, Hobbs, Erasmus, and Gibcus is gone, and we don't rate other mids at 7, Johnson, Goater, then maybe we look to offload the pick if Andrew is getting teams salivating.
Unlikely perhaps this scenario, it probably means the Crows have gone Hobbs, assuming it ends up: Callighan, Gibcus, Hobbs, Ward, Erasmus. It also means Rachelle is on the board and who knows how he is rated by our recruiters.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

If we are determined to get one of the top mids, but they all go before us, Callaghan, Ward, Hobbs, Erasmus, and Gibcus is gone, and we don't rate other mids at 7, Johnson, Goater, then maybe we look to offload the pick if Andrew is getting teams salivating.
Unlikely perhaps this scenario, it probably means the Crows have gone Hobbs, assuming it ends up: Callighan, Gibcus, Hobbs, Ward, Erasmus. It also means Rachelle is on the board and who knows how he is rated by our recruiters.

Cant see the Crows , Hawks , Freo going for Hobbs as he is similar to what they already have
But if all gone i would jump on Johnson or Rachele and try for Goater with #15 or Sinn / Sonsie/Butler but would love JVR at Tigerland

 

[This Is Anfield]

Only eleven more days

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Cant see the Crows , Hawks , Freo going for Hobbs as he is similar to what they already have
But if all gone i would jump on Johnson or Rachele and try for Goater with #15 or Sinn / Sonsie/Butler but would love JVR at Tigerland

Agree with that. But if Hobbs does go, rather than those you mentioned, and GWS called because Andrew is there and they offer up their pick plus ???, it could be worth considering and taking best available, still think there will be a decent mid there... Could even be Goater.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Agree with that. But if Hobbs does go, rather than those you mentioned, and GWS called because Andrew is there and they offer up their pick plus ???, it could be worth considering and taking best available, still think there will be a decent mid there... Could even be Goater.

I would much rather stick to our picks we have currently and we could still end up with the following or similar

7 - Hobbs / Ward / Johnson / Erasmus
15 - Goater / Taylor / Sinn / Sonsie / Butler / JVR
26 - Williams / MacDonald / Knevitt /Brown / Howes / Bazzo /Or Even a slider from the abve

I really like where our picks sit and the only change i would like to see is combining 2 later picks to get into 16-20 range with a pick in the 40's-50's coming back.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Nat Fyfe slipped to pick-20 largely because of his 70Kg skinny frame. Mac Andrew is a lot taller but is now 80kg …. so if he’s available at our first pick bypass him at our peril.


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[Drunken Wookie]

Nat Fyfe slipped to pick-20 largely because of his 70Kg skinny frame. Mac Andrew is a lot taller but is now 80kg …. so if he’s available at our first pick bypass him at our peril.


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Is he just athletically gifted or does he have a footy brain to go with? Thats what I see lacking in Chol and so far Biggie as well. Unbelievable athletic prowess that made them stand out as juniors but they just look lost half the time in a professional structure. If he's got the skills AND the footy IQ to back it up he'd be hard to pass up on. But if he's another highlight machine that can't read the game it's a big risk.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Nat Fyfe slipped to pick-20 largely because of his 70Kg skinny frame. Mac Andrew is a lot taller but is now 80kg …. so if he’s available at our first pick bypass him at our peril.


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If we hold our picks and he is the highest rated by our list management and recruiting dept. You take him simple
It will take 3-4 years and by that Time Nank is 30 years old and Soldo is 28 and both will be free agents and most likely get offers to move

We have lost Cj & Chol and have no KPD deth , He is not a luxury and is a need

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Is he just athletically gifted or does he have a footy brain to go with? Thats what I see lacking in Chol and so far Biggie as well. Unbelievable athletic prowess that made them stand out as juniors but they just look lost half the time in a professional structure. If he's got the skills AND the footy IQ to back it up he'd be hard to pass up on. But if he's another highlight machine that can't read the game it's a big risk.

Kid can play

His Ruckwork and follow up are elite for a junior Ruckman and marking is very good , He is touted as a 1st rounder for good reason and all the other african boys were never rated this highly and were always project types.

Weight and size is no issue 200cm 80kgs is not the worst and Sam Darcy is 204cm and 74kgs and there is no mention of his weight, Added to this the african boys have fantastic genetics to add muscle and size quickly

 

[guruisatiger]

Is he just athletically gifted or does he have a footy brain to go with? Thats what I see lacking in Chol and so far Biggie as well. Unbelievable athletic prowess that made them stand out as juniors but they just look lost half the time in a professional structure. If he's got the skills AND the footy IQ to back it up he'd be hard to pass up on. But if he's another highlight machine that can't read the game it's a big risk.

not sure if any of this years prospects have played enough in the last 2 years to answer that question

 

[Hamsatma]

Is he just athletically gifted or does he have a footy brain to go with? Thats what I see lacking in Chol and so far Biggie as well. Unbelievable athletic prowess that made them stand out as juniors but they just look lost half the time in a professional structure. If he's got the skills AND the footy IQ to back it up he'd be hard to pass up on. But if he's another highlight machine that can't read the game it's a big risk.

just to keep in mind when comparing these three players that whereas chol was a rookie pick and biggie a speculative 50ish pick, andrews is being talked about as a pick 2 (i.e. a much much stronger prospect). There are valid questions about the risk/reward of taking on a project player in a position where we have a few decent prospects already, but there should be no questions about whether or not he can play. He's been playing footy for a while now and given the massive wraps on him I don't see any reason to question his footy brain

 

[Mr Magic]

Is he just athletically gifted or does he have a footy brain to go with? Thats what I see lacking in Chol and so far Biggie as well. Unbelievable athletic prowess that made them stand out as juniors but they just look lost half the time in a professional structure. If he's got the skills AND the footy IQ to back it up he'd be hard to pass up on. But if he's another highlight machine that can't read the game it's a big risk.

I think he is a top 20 prospect, in my opinion, considering all the pros and cons taking out GWS's keenness and now the dust is settling on where some clubs think other players are at in terms of range. Top 10 not so sure but that does not mean a club will not pick him in the top 10 especially GWS who are especially fond of what he might bring.

Apart from strength/mass and also assessing where we think his footy IQ might be, the other question is how his endurance is and can be? No one thought Max Gawn could show his endurance traits at the time of his draft I would imagine, can MacAndrew progress somewhat like Gawn because thats a factor for ruck/midfield/wing roles? The other thing with MacAndrew is consistency. He makes great highlights but is there a risk with consistency like some recruiters have raised with Sonsie apparently according to some posters. If MacAndrew could do what JR could do in terms of footy craft, leading patterns etc.. he could be a top 3 prospect if not higher. I think with MacAndrew, especially given uncertainty about endurance, his real kicker is how he can develop as a forward threat given he seems to be a reasonable, at least kick, at goal?

I would not use pick 9 on MacAndrew, but thats just me and my assessments from limited info, he seems to have a bit of drive to, late teens I would definitely have a crack, early teens maybe.

Apart from the hype, I don't see him being a slider, ignoring the media posturing about where players might go, that based on actual football potential Melbourne can rely on him going beyond 20. We hear that anyway but I think that's a fair call. In terms of footy movement, like I stated before, his movement in terms of the feet and length of stride appears more compact than the likes of Biggy and Chol. For someone his height he looks impressively nimble and for a guy his slight frame, impressively balanced. One highlight that I really liked was his mark on the wing cutting in front of another player, not just in terms of reading the flight but in terms of the use of his feet to get to the ball, mobility and agility wise. If he could roam around half forward plucking marks with his leap and height, oppositions look out

 

[guruisatiger]

how many players are allowed on lists for 2022
thanks

 

[Mr Unbelievable]

Only eleven more days

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Nat Fyfe slipped to pick-20 largely because of his 70Kg skinny frame. Mac Andrew is a lot taller but is now 80kg …. so if he’s available at our first pick bypass him at our peril.


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Nat Fyfe went at 20 because he was an undersized forward in juniors. Never played onball.

 

[Simche]

Nat Fyfe slipped to pick-20 largely because of his 70Kg skinny frame. Mac Andrew is a lot taller but is now 80kg …. so if he’s available at our first pick bypass him at our peril.


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I can appreciate you really like Andrew but the comparison to Fyfe is way off. Fyfe was 187cm and 75kg when drafted. He was arguably BOG in the WA Colts Grand Final but was playing as a 3rd forward leading up the ground (think Ryan O'Keefe role that was popular at the time). You can play as a half forward or wingman at that weight despite it not being ideal. Andrew plays in the ruck and there is absolutely no way you can play that position below 90kg.

Andrew strikes me as one of those prospects that is an absolutely unreasonable gamble in a position that I do not think is a need or for that matter overly important. Oakley-Nichols or Tom Williams like drafting on the basis of upside usually yields really poor results.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

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Interesting that Rachele is one of the names being linked to GWSs first.
He’s a match winner with plenty of x-factor who has long been touted as a top 10, but pushing top 4!!!
Really intriguing player.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Is he just athletically gifted or does he have a footy brain to go with? Thats what I see lacking in Chol and so far Biggie as well. Unbelievable athletic prowess that made them stand out as juniors but they just look lost half the time in a professional structure. If he's got the skills AND the footy IQ to back it up he'd be hard to pass up on. But if he's another highlight machine that can't read the game it's a big risk.

Be careful mate.I was branded a racist 24hrs earlier for comparing the same.

 

[Sir_Loin]

 

[tigerdan]

Skinny tall kids scream x-factor to me. X factor always means risk of a bust (ala David Bourke) even if the he "could be anything" if he surprises on the upside. That's not how I want our first round picks spent.

Happy to gamble with later picks because sometimes x-factor kids pay off. But not when you have a flush hand and should be aiming for kids with no question marks.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Skinny tall kids scream x-factor to me. X factor always means risk of a bust (ala David Bourke) even if the he "could be anything" if he surprises on the upside. That's not how I want our first round picks spent.

Happy to gamble with later picks because sometimes x-factor kids pay off. But not when you have a flush hand and should be aiming for kids with no question marks.

Agree. And it depends how much development we can get into these kids going forward.

Hopefully the worst of it is over and we have VFL back. Our draftees no matter their junior careers have to be playing regularly to improve.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I would much rather stick to our picks we have currently and we could still end up with the following or similar

7 - Hobbs / Ward / Johnson / Erasmus
15 - Goater / Taylor / Sinn / Sonsie / Butler / JVR
26 - Williams / MacDonald / Knevitt /Brown / Howes / Bazzo /Or Even a slider from the abve

I really like where our picks sit and the only change i would like to see is combining 2 later picks to get into 16-20 range with a pick in the 40's-50's coming back.

Strong chance the way its looking we'll have a choice between Hobbs & Ward.
The question is.Should we throw the kitchen sink at Both Freo & Stk to get either of the next 2 picks that would get us both?