List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

PMBangers · Aug 10, 2021

I think we've shown we're pretty good at structuring payment deals as well in terms of when players get majority of their money

Andre the Giant · Aug 10, 2021

I’m just not a fan of these long deals, they are great for players and player managers but often end up horrible for clubs.

He’s a classy player and has been good this year but 8 years is absurd. I think 5 years, 6 max would have been ample reward and could also have been smoothed over. I hope I’m wrong but I can see this ending poorly.

Colonial · Aug 10, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
I’m just not a fan of these long deals, they are great for players and player managers but often end up horrible for clubs.

He’s a classy player and has been good this year but 8 years is absurd. I think 5 years, 6 max would have been ample reward and could also have been smoothed over. I hope I’m wrong but I can see this ending poorly.

Fair enough.

With our luck I see your point.

Giant Strides · Aug 10, 2021

Basically, Chairman Zia - like his namesake the Pakistani President - and his Norf buddies crashed and burned on this one big time. LOL

Bulldogs85 · Aug 11, 2021

Well done guy’s looks like a few salty north fans haven’t taken the Kelly news to well lol

GWS Goose · Aug 11, 2021

Bulldogs85 said:
Well done guy’s looks like a few salty north fans haven’t taken the Kelly news to well lol

Isn't that the truth.

Bulldogs85 · Aug 11, 2021

GWS Goose said:
Isn't that the truth.

It’s Kind of embarrassing how some of them have reacted

GWS Goose · Aug 11, 2021

Bulldogs85 said:
It’s Kind of embarrassing how some of them have reacted

The ones saying he is disloyal are the most amusing.
He owes North no loyalty.

Bulldogs85 · Aug 11, 2021

GWS Goose said:
The ones saying he is disloyal are the most amusing.
He owes North no loyalty.

Josh Kelly showed his loyalty to the GWS football club and his mates. Congratulations enjoy it and let north fans be salty

Danny88 · Aug 11, 2021

Just popped over to the north thread

how quickly they changed their tune! Apparently he isn’t that good anyway

Colonial · Aug 11, 2021

Riccardi to Carlton?

Danny88 · Aug 11, 2021

General Giant said:
Riccardi to Carlton?

I don’t see why…. They are full of tall forward options

JC100 · Aug 11, 2021

Danny88 said:
I don’t see why…. They are full of tall forward options

I’d say it’s Sam Reid. That’s more their style

Pres · Aug 11, 2021

Would be a bad move to let Riccardi walk I think.

If Hogan's body doesn't hold up then HH is basically the only KPF on the books (unless you include Sproule/Briggs).

GWS Goose · Aug 11, 2021

Pres said:
Would be a bad move to let Riccardi walk I think.

If Hogan's body doesn't hold up then HH is basically the only KPF on the books (unless you include Sproule/Briggs).

It all depends on what it takes to keep him.

If someone is prepared to pay him good money, I don't think we can/should match.

I dont want to read too much into 1 game, but he was a mile off it on Friday and it is clear while they have preferred others previously.

Danny88 · Aug 11, 2021

Yeah I cant see why a team would chase him.. he is clearly a development player. He can catch and kick... but forwards need to be able to run chase and turn nowdays

Personally I cant see us wanting him to go. I understand he want more opportunity but IMO he is a risk for other clubs out there.

PS did anyone see the north board has already turned their sights to Taylor 2022? They are hopeless

Colonial · Aug 11, 2021

Danny88 said:
Yeah I cant see why a team would chase him.. he is clearly a development player. He can catch and kick... but forwards need to be able to run chase and turn nowdays

Personally I cant see us wanting him to go. I understand he want more opportunity but IMO he is a risk for other clubs out there.

PS did anyone see the north board has already turned their sights to Taylor 2022? They are hopeless

Taylor? [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

So what’s their link to him? A second cousin? He is a sandgroper.

He was on a radio last night saying how happy he was in Sydney.

Pres · Aug 11, 2021

Danny88 said:
Yeah I cant see why a team would chase him.. he is clearly a development player. He can catch and kick... but forwards need to be able to run chase and turn nowdays

I think that's the point.

And the Giants will have put two years development into him by the end of 2021.

Orange crush · Aug 11, 2021

Riccardi has the appropriate defensive attributes to fit in at Carlton.

reckon sproule offers a lot more

Orange Agent · Aug 11, 2021

Pres said:
Would be a bad move to let Riccardi walk I think.

If Hogan's body doesn't hold up then HH is basically the only KPF on the books (unless you include Sproule/Briggs).

He has a contract in front of him from us and hasn't signed it. No way should we be getting into a bidding war for a VFL level player. He either takes what's been offered by us or leave. If he wants an AFL career he should look at our player development success as opposed to the likes of Carlton.

Colonial · Aug 11, 2021

PMBangers · Aug 12, 2021

Am I alone in wanting a genuine pressure forward? I think our best 22 lacks a genuine pressure sort, Daniels is close but not consistent with it and seems destined for more runs through the guts as a different sort (speedy and can actually kick)

Danny88 · Aug 12, 2021

PMBangers said:
Am I alone in wanting a genuine pressure forward? I think our best 22 lacks a genuine pressure sort, Daniels is close but not consistent with it and seems destined for more runs through the guts as a different sort (speedy and can actually kick)

Depends if you think Bobby Hill is that... I think when fit that Bobby and Daniels should play in the same team. I don't think we have room for another unless they are more a half forward role that can push up the ground or on a wing.

I suggested Rioli as an option... but he is now playing at half back.

PMBangers · Aug 12, 2021

Danny88 said:
Depends if you think Bobby Hill is that... I think when fit that Bobby and Daniels should play in the same team. I don't think we have room for another unless they are more a half forward role that can push up the ground or on a wing.

I suggested Rioli as an option... but he is now playing at half back.

I'm, not overly high on Hills' pressure work, although he could come back and shock me, certainly has the speed to be that sort so would be good to see it turned on

Danny88 · Aug 12, 2021

PMBangers said:
I'm, not overly high on Hills' pressure work, although he could come back and shock me, certainly has the speed to be that sort so would be good to see it turned on

Well then you are effectively saying you want to bring in an upgrade on hill. Cos that would be his role when fit.

Would you draft this or would you look to the league?

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