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List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
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GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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Bruhn gives us that point of difference in our mid without Daniels there - its promising to see its the young guns in Ash, XOH and Bruhn +/- Daniels when fit who give us that zip and unpredictability at centre bounces. Hopper to an extent as well given his first couple of steps and evasiveness by hand are first class.

In terms of the debate between Callaghan vs. Gibcus with our first pick (highly doubt we can trade up to 1 for Horne), itll depend on how we see Stone/Angwin developing vs. Stein/Buckley/Fleeton as well. At the same time, looking at history, premier defenders (Harris Andrews, Grimes, Tom Stewart, Astbury, May, Lever, Sam Taylor, Jonas, Phil Davis, Moore, McGovern, Tom McCartin, Rampe, Blicavs, Collins, Talia, Harry Taylor) could pop up anywhere between mid-late first round all the way to rookie draft rather than necessarily top 5 picks, Weitering being the exception from recent memory. Personally, I think Callaghan is the likely better and safer pick at this stage and we could look to develop him as a winger with inside grunt much like XOH currently. Would unleash Whitfield and Ash to rotate through HB with more freedom. In 2 years, I think XOH will be a beast if injuries dont hinder him (his possessions are already starting to improve). To address the KPD role, could we look to trade to bring Jarrod Brander as a utility who is OOC given he is originally from sydney?
 
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Definitely pick best available and definitely don't trade it! Pick 2 is very valuable and very hard to come by.
Unless we rate Gibcus best anyway and we might be able to swap with Hawthorne or something and get Gibcus plus something else.
 

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The only people giving mixed reviews of Gibcus are blokes that haven't watched him or rate performance way higher than potential, I'd put money on the fact that he'd be in 90% of recruiters top 10 with his athleticism, positioning and marking. I agree on best available at Pick 2 with Callaghan, who again any mixed reviews there are from people that haven't seen a lot of him, but if the pick ends up the third live one Gibcus is the guy I'd want us to go for and I reckon we would go for.
 
PMBangers said:
The only people giving mixed reviews of Gibcus are blokes that haven't watched him or rate performance way higher than potential, I'd put money on the fact that he'd be in 90% of recruiters top 10 with his athleticism, positioning and marking. I agree on best available at Pick 2 with Callaghan, who again any mixed reviews there are from people that haven't seen a lot of him, but if the pick ends up the third live one Gibcus is the guy I'd want us to go for and I reckon we would go for.
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Cheers, that would be the way I'm leaning, in the absence of seeing any U19 Championships' performances. #2 (becoming #4) = Callaghan. #3 (becoming #5) = Gibcus (believing Callaghan will be gone). Later than that, what's your thoughts (because I presume Gold Coast would snaffle Gibcus) - Mac Andrew?
 
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Cheers, that would be the way I'm leaning, in the absence of seeing any U19 Championships' performances. #2 (becoming #4) = Callaghan. #3 (becoming #5) = Gibcus (believing Callaghan will be gone). Later than that, what's your thoughts (because I presume Gold Coast would snaffle Gibcus) - Mac Andrew?
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Yeah pretty easy one to lock in, although I genuinely think if we don't take Gibcus or Andrew with that first pick then we won't get either, then attention probably turns more to finding a value trade for our own first rounder, preferably a future first
 
GWS Goose said:
I'd be very disappointed if we picked Andrew with that first pick.
Way too much bust potential for a top 5 pick.
The whole risk reward is way out of whack for the very early picks
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Caruso has said before we go for who we predict to have the best career with those higher picks, bust potential yes but I'd guess our recruiters would back the club to get more boom from them. His actual game isn't far off the pace imo, mainly size that'll keep him away from AFL footy for a season or two
 

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Callaghan ..... I have seen comparisons to Josh Kelly - and who wouldn't want 2 of that kind of player? - but there's definitely some risk factors in his temperament and skills, some small injury concerns (think another JK!).
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Where is Ryan Angwin at?. He certainly has a similar body shape to Josh Kelly, but that's all I know about him. Has he progressed/ impressed?
 
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Where is Ryan Angwin at?. He certainly has a similar body shape to Josh Kelly, but that's all I know about him. Has he progressed/ impressed?
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Don't know. From what I saw in the broadcast games he's OK, but not outstanding at this point. It will be a case of our usual issues - too many talented kids for the spots available in the team.

We needed this bounty last year when pick 2 would have got McDonald or Grainger-Barrass. The former would have been a direct replacement for Jezza, which is where we are short.
 
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Don't know. From what I saw in the broadcast games he's OK, but not outstanding at this point. It will be a case of our usual issues - too many talented kids for the spots available in the team.

We needed this bounty last year when pick 2 would have got McDonald or Grainger-Barrass. The former would have been a direct replacement for Jezza, which is where we are short.
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I wouldn’t be too worried about Angwin. His birthday is December so very young for the draft class. I think we will see big improvement in him next year.
 
Who with? I would guess hawthorn would do it, might need to give them a 2022r2 as well. I guess sam Mitchell's ego would think he will improve hawks, but I think they might go backwards a bit next year. So it might be pick 2, 36 for pick 6,5.
Orange crush said:
Trade #2 for a 2021 1st rounder and 2022 1st tounder
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sydney_gws said:
Who with? I would guess hawthorn would do it, might need to give them a 2022r2 as well. I guess sam Mitchell's ego would think he will improve hawks, but I think they might go backwards a bit next year. So it might be pick 2, 36 for pick 6,5.
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Yeah something like that .... or talk to Collingwood, they need more young guns .... oh wait :D
 
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PMBangers what is the knock on Rachele? He seems like the type that would compliment our list nicely
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Work rate and body language have been the two things that really concern me, as well as how he interacts with teamamtes on field but I assume thats more passion/ heat of the moment. He's in the range overall though I'd guess because he's an elite kick and can tear games open, but I get some Troy Menzel vibes from him at times
 
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Work rate and body language have been the two things that really concern me, as well as how he interacts with teamamtes on field but I assume thats more passion/ heat of the moment. He's in the range overall though I'd guess because he's an elite kick and can tear games open, but I get some Troy Menzel vibes from him at times
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Hypothetical: If Pies finish third, Callaghan is taken by Crows, we took Gibcus with the Collingwood pick, and our next pic (let's call it #12, which has slid to #14 due Daicos & Darcy, just for the hypothetical), and some of the players available are: Rachele, Chesser, Sinn, Sonsie & Draper ... who would be your call (based on current observation/assessment)?
 
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Hypothetical: If Pies finish third, Callaghan is taken by Crows, we took Gibcus with the Collingwood pick, and our next pic (let's call it #12, which has slid to $14 due Daicos & Darcy, just for the hypothetical), and some of the players available are: Rachele, Chesser, Sinn, Sonsie & Draper ... who would be your call (based on current observation/assessment)?
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Oh jeez that's a good deal bunch! Personally I'd go Sonsie, very marginally over Sinn at this stage, but that's probably the stage of the draft I'm happy to trade out for a future first as well if an appropriate offer came, say if a Gold Coast or a team like that looking to fill a specific need came knocking. Just reading between the lines of what Caruso has said, I reckon the club would go Rachele in that instance though
 
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Oh jeez that's a good deal bunch! Personally I'd go Sonsie, very marginally over Sinn at this stage, but that's probably the stage of the draft I'm happy to trade out for a future first as well if an appropriate offer came, say if a Gold Coast or a team like that looking to fill a specific need came knocking. Just reading between the lines of what Caruso has said, I reckon the club would go Rachele in that instance though
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I doubt that all 5 of those names would be there in real life, but I think it's entirely possible that 3 would be. If the club were to go Rachele (and he certainly has his supporters as well as detractors), then we would tick of 2 out of 3 priorities as I see them (KPD & goal-kicking small/medium forward) ... with potential that Rachele can transition into a midfielder with some zip in the future. Just the questions about his work ethic and attitude; but maybe if he models himself on Toby, the great man can mould him appropriately.
 

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