List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
www.bigfooty.com www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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Orange crush said:
Not sure you’ll get 13 thrown in on that trade
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Possibly not. But a trade along the lines of Richmond trading pick 15 and 26 for GWS 13 from their GWS then trade 2 and 15 for 6 and 8 would be not far off. Freo take 2 and 15 to the draft.
 
sydney_gws said:
Maybe 6,8,19 for 2,13,GWS2022r3 would be considered?
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sydney_gws said:
Maybe 6,8,19 for 2,13,GWS2022r3 would be considered?
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No. Like I said it would only happen if GWS targeted two players in the 8 to 10 range and probably after they had traded 15 down. Obviously Im listing the actual picks in the draft after the two father son selections have been matched.
 

"Small forward pocket" to prototype wingman: Mitch Owens' transformation

www.sandringhamdragons.com.au www.sandringhamdragons.com.au

Mitch Owens from the Saints NGA is a guy we might look at with Pick 13 I think, big bodied mid with athleticism, can play forward and backline as well given he's a strong mark. A few question marks on his kicking but not anything that can't be tidied up at the next level, especially if we choose Mac with our earlier pick he'd be a decent option
 
Jarrod Lienert and Boyd Woodcock both just axed from Port Adelaide.

As I've posted before, I definitely think Lienert is a capable KPD, and suffered from being a mature recruit in a team with an admittedly good backline. I would hope we jump on the phone (ideally have already been in contact!) and offer to take him in the PSD. He still wouldn't be a certain starter, but up against Davis & Stein initially (due to the Keeffe, Buckley LTIs) for a spot alongside Sammy Taylor next season. Good backup and likely to get a game with our traditional injury toll each year. Ready to go when Keeffe and Davis retire.

With Buckley showing his wares, and then Stein as a backup, I'd be happy enough to put off selecting a KPD in this year's draft for another year. Or it gives us time to develop Mac Andrew if we see him with a role in defence.

Boyd Woodcock could be another we consider for the small forward role that we seem to be looking at given our interest in Ollie Hanrahan. Like the others who have been mentioned, not a great small forward but with some useful attributes.

Food for thought anyway!
 
sherrif said:
Probably not. It was just a suggestion and like I said it only works out if that's where GWS thinks they can get the players they want.
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Look 6 and 8 by itself might get 2. But to be honest you should just keep them and get rachele and amiss

Your team would be better in the long run than trading for Callaghan imo
 
PMBangers said:

"Small forward pocket" to prototype wingman: Mitch Owens' transformation

www.sandringhamdragons.com.au www.sandringhamdragons.com.au

Mitch Owens from the Saints NGA is a guy we might look at with Pick 13 I think, big bodied mid with athleticism, can play forward and backline as well given he's a strong mark. A few question marks on his kicking but not anything that can't be tidied up at the next level, especially if we choose Mac with our earlier pick he'd be a decent option
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To be honest if we select anyone who comes with the description of “big bodied mid” I’m gonna throw a tantrum

Imo is the last need on the list
 

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Giant Strides said:
Jarrod Lienert and Boyd Woodcock both just axed from Port Adelaide.

As I've posted before, I definitely think Lienert is a capable KPD, and suffered from being a mature recruit in a team with an admittedly good backline. I would hope we jump on the phone (ideally have already been in contact!) and offer to take him in the PSD. He still wouldn't be a certain starter, but up against Davis & Stein initially (due to the Keeffe, Buckley LTIs) for a spot alongside Sammy Taylor next season. Good backup and likely to get a game with our traditional injury toll each year. Ready to go when Keeffe and Davis retire.

With Buckley showing his wares, and then Stein as a backup, I'd be happy enough to put off selecting a KPD in this year's draft for another year. Or it gives us time to develop Mac Andrew if we see him with a role in defence.

Boyd Woodcock could be another we consider for the small forward role that we seem to be looking at given our interest in Ollie Hanrahan. Like the others who have been mentioned, not a great small forward but with some useful attributes.

Food for thought anyway!
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When you outline it like that… I just doubt it happens. Who would agree to come and compete with Phil and Stein for a spot …. Just to tread water until Keefe and Buckley are ready later in the year

We are really saying we have 5 key defenders there…. (Ignoring players like idun and Haynes).

Increasingly I don’t think it’s a need right now and most definitely it’s a hard sell to any potential player
 
Danny88 said:
To be honest if we select anyone who comes with the description of “big bodied mid” I’m gonna throw a tantrum

Imo is the last need on the list
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Well there goes my hopes of being picked up by the Giants, after all this lockdown my mid is definitely big bodied. :(
 
Danny88 said:
To be honest if we select anyone who comes with the description of “big bodied mid” I’m gonna throw a tantrum

Imo is the last need on the list
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You may need to prepare some comfort activities
 
Giant Strides said:
Boyd Woodcock could be another we consider for the small forward role that we seem to be looking at given our interest in Ollie Hanrahan. Like the others who have been mentioned, not a great small forward but with some useful attributes.
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Thought I had already responded to this, first off as soon as I saw the news I thought of you right away with Lienert. I'd be up for taking on both for sure, my main reservation around Woodcock would be whether he's an actual small forward or not, rather than a small midfielder that plays forward. Everytime I've seen him at SANFL level when he's racked it up and looked his most damaging he's been playing in the midfield
 
PMBangers said:
Thought I had already responded to this, first off as soon as I saw the news I thought of you right away with Lienert. I'd be up for taking on both for sure, my main reservation around Woodcock would be whether he's an actual small forward or not, rather than a small midfielder that plays forward. Everytime I've seen him at SANFL level when he's racked it up and looked his most damaging he's been playing in the midfield
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Yes, my thought too. But honestly, that's the case for a lot of the ''small forwards'' used in AFL - they were small midfielders who couldn't crack a midfield spot. Bobby is one who hasn't come from that role.

And you know me well in regards Lienert! Can't help thinking he'd be a great moneyball pickup.
 
PMBangers said:

"Small forward pocket" to prototype wingman: Mitch Owens' transformation

www.sandringhamdragons.com.au www.sandringhamdragons.com.au

Mitch Owens from the Saints NGA is a guy we might look at with Pick 13 I think, big bodied mid with athleticism, can play forward and backline as well given he's a strong mark. A few question marks on his kicking but not anything that can't be tidied up at the next level, especially if we choose Mac with our earlier pick he'd be a decent option
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If use 2 and 13 on those two I'd be ropable.
 
Danny88 said:
When you outline it like that… I just doubt it happens. Who would agree to come and compete with Phil and Stein for a spot …. Just to tread water until Keefe and Buckley are ready later in the year

We are really saying we have 5 key defenders there…. (Ignoring players like idun and Haynes).

Increasingly I don’t think it’s a need right now and most definitely it’s a hard sell to any potential player
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We've had a similar conversation before on this topic - and TBH, you're probably right that Giants don't do that.

However, my view is increasingly that Phil Davis has limited time left. While Stein had a great final against Swans, I view him as limited and mainly a VFL defender who covers short term gaps in the first grade team. Keeping Davis out demonstrated to me that Phil's got problems. Now, I may be wrong, it might just have been a difficult recovery from his earlier injury for Phil and he comes good to start 2022. However, if I'm right, then he'll retire end of next year.

IMHO, the structure that Leon likes to play at the back is 4 talls. When we still had Corr and had recruited Taylor, it was Davis/Corr/Taylor/Haynes. A few years ago it was Davis/Corr/Patfull/Haynes. I think we are now replicating this with Idun as the Patfull replacement (similar height and somewhat similar game styles). So I'm not ignoring Idun & Haynes, they are just different roles.

So our squad in an ideal setup (IMHO of how Leon selects) has Taylor/Davis/Idun/Haynes in AFL with the VFL setup being Keeffe/Stein/Buckley/Fleeton. Buckley was planned I think as a third tall but came on really well in season 2021 and showed he could play second tall. If Davis and Keeffe retire at the end of 2022 (or even if Keeffe goes on, surely it would be only 1 more season), and throw in the two LTIs, I just think there's an opening this year for someone who will take Davis' spot in the squad in 2023. It could be a draftee (ideally) - I'm just not loving any of those options. To me, Lienert could be the Keeffe-type pickup who probably isn't first choice in the AFL team but can play quite ably when he fills in. The problem - or opportunity - is that Giants seem to regularly require a fill-in KPD!

So I'd see an opportunity for 2023 to be: Taylor/Buckley/Idun/Haynes with back up from Lienert/Stein/draftee/Fleeton, where the draftee is taken next year with time to develop into their role.

Yes, Lienert would be having to compete, but he's just been cut, so it's compete or have no further AFL career. I daresay there might be a couple of clubs who look at him - which would be on the same basis as being a back up KPD. I just think he'd have a better chance of playing more first grade at GWS than most other clubs. (Perhaps Geelong might be equal or better!)
 
GWS Goose said:
If use 2 and 13 on those two I'd be ropable.
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Owens is a good selection at 13 imo, tall midfielders that can impact up forward, have speed and can take an overhead mark are a genuine commodity with how the game is progressing, if we had more vic footy he would've risen to be a universal top 20 I reckon (and obviously recruiters have access to replays, watching back some Sandy games and Owens was pretty consistent with his traits and application)
 
Danny88 said:
When you outline it like that… I just doubt it happens. Who would agree to come and compete with Phil and Stein for a spot …. Just to tread water until Keefe and Buckley are ready later in the year

We are really saying we have 5 key defenders there…. (Ignoring players like idun and Haynes).

Increasingly I don’t think it’s a need right now and most definitely it’s a hard sell to any potential player
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Players such as Jarrod Brander are often described as 'swingmen' and played both forward and back (sometimes even on the wing). If a KP type was recruited with such a role in mind and this was fully explained, they maybe more willing to sign-up.
 
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