List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[ItsAllAboutMe]

We have already brought 3 in, might be more to come and then need to draft at least 3, unfortunate for these guys but someone needed to go. Gibbo stiff, just got injured at the wrong time. Seems a good lad, and reckon might have a future coaching and would like to see him given a role with the VFL side, playing assistant..

 

[Revenant1995]

Hope people can understand what I am trying to say... Gone are the days when we could easily come up with a list of 8 to 10 players we would happy to say goodbye to... Now we discuss from perspective of wanting to keep... Even though on one side it's difficult, I'd much rather be here...

 

[BIuebagger]

Especially as we were crying out for natural wingers who can rest at either end of the ground, and still are to an extent. Baffling from him. Thank you to Sam and Michael. Gibbo was serviceable but I can see how the list and progression of some youngsters has outed him. Much tougher to make calls list wise here on in. All the best lads

 

[Donnini]

Have to cut deeper than that.

There are still plenty out of contract and we have draft and rookies and possibly DFA to bring in.

 

[PezzDogg95]

Well don't we need to free up space on the rookie list too? We are just going to retain them all?

There is an AFL rule that states you can only retain 3 Category A rookies from the previous season on the rookie list.

By the end of the season we had 8 due to the 2 picks in the MSD.

We have only lost Eddie Betts off the rookie list so far, so we sit at 7.

Kennedy, Honey and Mirkov all have contracts.
Parks, Cottrell, Boyd & McDonald do not.

Unless we upgrade Kennedy and/or Honey, we will have to cut all 4 players without contracts.
We have the option to re-rookie them with the three vacancies we create.

I think Kennedy gets upgraded and takes that 3rd live ND pick, and we draft 2 kids.
This will mean that we can retain one of the four rookies above, I feel it would be Parks or Boyd.

The other 3 will be cut, at least for first list lodgement, with the potential to be re-rookied. Although it doesn't usually happen for rookies, more for senior list demotions.

As a Cat B Rookie, Owies sits outside of this. Is allowed one more year on the Cat B list, so its a no brainer to retain him there for one more season.

 

[Blues_1864]

In the case of Gibbons, and Ramsay I suppose, is there a thought he might be re-drafted onto the rookie list?

Could happen I guess, but there is competition for spots there too... we will keep 6 Category A rookies, and we know two of those will be Mirkov and Honey, as they are contracted. Kennedy is obviously contracted too, but with our 2021 National Draft picks headed south during this trade period, I would imagine we'll use 82 to upgrade Kennedy to the Senior list.

Assuming the above, there are 4 Cat A spots left (remembering Owies is Cat B), and if Ramsay and Gibbons are candidates, they go into the mix with the uncontracted Parks, Boyd, Cottrell, McDonald and (I suspect) LOB. Plus anyone "new" that we might be interested in looking at for Cat A.

Edit: Ignore this post, read the one above mine

 

[Markyd]

Wrapped with what we have achieved so far, thought Cerra may have cost more! The Young for SPS trade turns a negative into a positive, will help to bring balance to our list.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Handy player, can play as a small forward, which we lack. Going to rely on Owies and Durdin?

Yes.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Doubt we are re-rookie-ing either Gibbo or Ramsay given the send off the media team gave them.

 

[BlueTongue]

I would keep Cuners along with most of the others, but the likes of Fog is lucky he has a contract. I don't rate Owies that highly long term

Bit perplexed by this? You don't feel like he's delivered as a small forward considering his limited opportunities?
I thinks he has done an excellent job, nailing most of his shots at goal and working hard defensively. I'd rate him as a success this year TBH.

 

[HaydossJ]

Could happen I guess, but there is competition for spots there too... we will keep 6 Category A rookies, and we know two of those will be Mirkov and Honey, as they are contracted. Kennedy is obviously contracted too, but with our 2021 National Draft picks headed south during this trade period, I would imagine we'll use 82 to upgrade Kennedy to the Senior list.

Assuming the above, there are 4 Cat A spots left (remembering Owies is Cat B), and if Ramsay and Gibbons are candidates, they go into the mix with the uncontracted Parks, Boyd, Cottrell, McDonald and (I suspect) LOB. Plus anyone "new" that we might be interested in looking at for Cat A.

Edit: Ignore this post, read the one above mine

and does this leave room for us to retain LOB on the senior list?

 

[katmanblue]

The issue is Senior list spots. We have already added 6 (Hewett, Cerra, Young, 3 x ND), and we have only removed 3 (Murphy, Casboult, SPS). Betts doesn't count because he was a rookie, ditto Cottrell.

We still had to find another 3, and the only 3 uncontracted are Gibbons, Ramsay and LOB. So here we are. As of right now, we still have 1 Senior too many - and everyone is contracted except LOB. I suspect they are holding him in case we trade out a contracted player... but if we don't, he too looks to be gone.

LOB might be delisted and re-rookied, but it is conceivable that if he nominates for the National Draft, he won't be there for us to pick up. The "protected Senior-to-rookie" pathway than Kennedy took last year as part of the AFL's list reductions does not exist this year - we are back to the old rules.

I can't say I like it - Gibbons in particular is far from our worst - but for all the wailing about the state of our list, there seems to be a universal reluctance (on BF anyway) to actually part with anyone. We had to do something, and this writing has been on the wall for a long time. Ramsay/Gibbons were only ever going to stay if something catastrophic happened, like complete failure of the Cerra deal.

Kennedy will be a rookie upgrade so we only need to draft 2

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The following still waiting... Who else...?

2021
4. Lochie O'Brien
26. Luke Parks (Rookie)
32. Jack Newnes (has he reached a contract trigger?) - he has.
39. Oscar McDonald (SSP Rookie)
44. Matthew Owies (Cat B Rookie)
46. Matthew Cottrell (2nd yr rookie)
Jordan Boyd (6 month contract)

I'd cut the three above without hestitation.

Cottrell the next and O'Brien as a last resort.

 

[Revenant1995]

On the Ramsey delisting, and note that this is an opinion and I have no real idea of how it works... But given it is a step up from VFL to AFL, I'd suspect both Power and O'Keefe would have also had some feedback and input. Trusting the coaches and the LM team. Doesn't make it easy, but some players are going to miss out.... Wishing them all the best...

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Bit perplexed by this? You don't feel like he's delivered as a small forward considering his limited opportunities?
I thinks he has done an excellent job, nailing most of his shots at goal and working hard defensively. I'd rate him as a success this year TBH.

He's pretty one dimensional in the way he plays and I suspect has a limited ceiling. Doesn't mean there isn't a place for him in an AFL side if he does a few things REALLY well but I think we're leaving a lot on the table if he is ultimately our best option as a small forward.

 

[Bostonian]

Can we rookie Marchbank until he gets his body right?

Didn't hurt Kennedy when we did it.

 

[Blues_1864]

and does this leave room for us to retain LOB on the senior list?

I don't believe it does, but I am not an expert.

I think that if we want to have LOB on our 2022 list, we have to either trade someone now who is already contracted, or we need to delist LOB, and hope we can pick him up again via one of the drafts.

If I am wrong, I would love to be corrected.

 

[Bostonian]

I'm really not sure how David Cuningham retains his spot, tbh. People see something in him, that i don't, it seems.

Blink and you probably missed him given he's played so little football over the past few seasons.

 

[zeeCFC]

We went with 36 senior and 6 rookies this year, a lot will depend on what split we do and how we choose to keep Omac, Mirkov and Boyd. Owies' time as a Cat B rookie might be up too. It's just too hard to be able to tell now with our long term injuries and contracts with mid season and supp list players how we'll structure the squad.

 

[Blues_1864]

Kennedy will be a rookie upgrade so we only need to draft 2

Agree, but it doesn't alter the fact we still had 3 Seniors too many, because Kennedy will not actually move onto the Senior list until National Draft day (i.e. he is not yet taking up a spot now). With Ramsay and Gibbons gone, we still have 1 Senior too many.

 

[zeeCFC]

I don't believe it does, but I am not an expert.

I think that if we want to have LOB on our 2022 list, we have to either trade someone now who is already contracted, or we need to delist LOB, and hope we can pick him up again via one of the drafts.

If I am wrong, I would love to be corrected.

To keep LOB we'd upgrade a rookie or two instead of drafting 3. You have space to go between 36 and 38 on the senior squad

 

[Blues_1864]

To keep LOB we'd upgrade a rookie or two instead of drafting 3. You have space to go between 36 and 38 on the senior squad

Yes indeed, I saw your post and realised straightaway. One way would be to go 37-5 on Senior vs Cat A rookie list... The reaon they might not do that is because of the salary-cap advantages you get by maximising the number of Cat A rookies you have. Maybe that wouldn't matter to us.

 

[chipzac]

There is an AFL rule that states you can only retain 3 Category A rookies from the previous season on the rookie list.

By the end of the season we had 8 due to the 2 picks in the MSD.

We have only lost Eddie Betts off the rookie list so far, so we sit at 7.

Kennedy, Honey and Mirkov all have contracts.
Parks, Cottrell, Boyd & McDonald do not.

Unless we upgrade Kennedy and/or Honey, we will have to cut all 4 players without contracts.
We have the option to re-rookie them with the three vacancies we create.

I think Kennedy gets upgraded and takes that 3rd live ND pick, and we draft 2 kids.
This will mean that we can retain one of the four rookies above, I feel it would be Parks or Boyd.

The other 3 will be cut, at least for first list lodgement, with the potential to be re-rookied. Although it doesn't usually happen for rookies, more for senior list demotions.

As a Cat B Rookie, Owies sits outside of this. Is allowed one more year on the Cat B list, so its a no brainer to retain him there for one more season.

So, after acquiring Young, Cerra and Hewitt and delisting Gibbons and Ramsay do we have 34 remaining on the senior list? And, can we take a further 2 in the ND and upgrade Kennedy and Honey which would bring us up to the maximum number of 38? If so, could LOB stay on the senior list where he is now (provided they want him)? If Kennedy and Honey are upgraded to the senior list then that would leave us with 5 rookies and only 2 of those would have to be delisted and be replaced with this year's rookies. Is that anywhere close to being right?

 

[katmanblue]

Agree, but it doesn't alter the fact we still had 3 Seniors too many, because Kennedy will not actually move onto the Senior list until National Draft day (i.e. he is not yet taking up a spot now). With Ramsay and Gibbons gone, we still have 1 Senior too many.

I'd say Marchbank might get bought out. Also, does Doch go on the LTI list?

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[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Considering all recruiters also follow the VFL if Ramsay was that impressive he will get another opportunity. I would be happy with both on the list but unfortunately smaller lists means harder calls.

with all the talk about our future salary cap then having someone like Gibbons on minimum wage over paying say Setterfield $400k to be on the list is every bit as a big call as paying someone like Williams $800k instead of the $600k he is worth.