List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[BlueTongue]

Fair.

O'Brien can't halve contests. Dow is gassed by quarter time. Cuners is in ACL rehab. All have elite attributes outweighed by multiple red flags. If one of them becomes a serious player it's a win from here.

Gun > Gunner
Run > Runner
Cuningham > Cunners
... otherwise it's 'que - ners'
...as you were

 

[Sheephead]

My personal question / benchmark is can i see that player fitting into that Melbourne side last weekend. Weirdly i have both dow and lob as yeses. Cunners unfortunately is a no

So why trade Paddy and Lochie? I think you underrate Cunners too.

 

[JuddgementDay]

From https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...list-and-contract-status.368412/post-72441920 - btw great job and thank Aphrodite for keeping all these threads up to date


2022 List consists of:-

35 Senior players
4 Category A Rookies
1 SSP Rookie
2 MSD Rookies
0 Category A International Rookie
1 Category B International Rookie
0 Category B Rookies


So where are we with numbers?
Assuming Cerra to come in, we'll have 36 Senior players.

How many do we need still to delist now?

I'm assuming that Newnes, Gibbons and Cottrell (rookie) will be delisted
and unfortunately one of LOB or SPP will be traded

That's 3 senior spots and one rookie spot opened.
That's enough to go into the national draft - right?


2021
4. Lochie O'Brien

4

Lochie O'brien

Age

26

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

5. Sam Petrevski-Seton

10

Sam Petrevski-seton

Age

27

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.2

5star

G

0.3

3star

D

14.4

3star

K

9.5

4star

HB

4.9

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

13.4

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

5.0

5star

G

0.4

3star

32. Jack Newnes
33. Sam Ramsay
39. Oscar McDonald

21

Oscar Mcdonald

Age

29

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

191.4

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

3star

MG

157.7

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

5.4

2star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.4

3star

MG

138.4

3star

(SSP Rookie)
40. Michael Gibbons (Promoted to Snr list)
44. Matthew Owies (Cat B International Rookie) - (to be retained as a Cat B Rookie)
46. Matthew Cottrell (2nd yr rookie)

 

[CJMB]

From https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...list-and-contract-status.368412/post-72441920 - btw great job and thank Aphrodite for keeping all these threads up to date


2022 List consists of:-

35 Senior players
4 Category A Rookies
1 SSP Rookie
2 MSD Rookies
0 Category A International Rookie
1 Category B International Rookie
0 Category B Rookies


So where are we with numbers?
Assuming Cerra to come in, we'll have 36 Senior players.

How many do we need still to delist now?

I'm assuming that Newnes, Gibbons and Cottrell (rookie) will be delisted
and unfortunately one of LOB or SPP will be traded

That's 3 senior spots and one rookie spot opened.
That's enough to go into the national draft - right?


2021
4. Lochie O'Brien
5. Sam Petrevski-Seton
32. Jack Newnes
33. Sam Ramsay
39. Oscar McDonald (SSP Rookie)
40. Michael Gibbons (Promoted to Snr list)
44. Matthew Owies (Cat B International Rookie) - (to be retained as a Cat B Rookie)
46. Matthew Cottrell (2nd yr rookie)

Riley Beveridge said Newnes had hit a games-played trigger for a contract extension next year.

SPS traded, Gibbo, Cottrell and Parks delisted, maybe Ramsay, McDonald probably depends on how his back is. Owies stays unless there are two CatB players we really want.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Riley Beveridge said Newnes had hit a games-played trigger for a contract extension next year.

SPS traded, Gibbo, Cottrell and Parks delisted, maybe Ramsay, McDonald probably depends on how his back is. Owies stays unless there are two CatB players we really want.

Thanks for the info.

SPS is traded already - no way back after chat with Voss?
Parks - from the link I thought he was contracted till 2022
Ramsay - hasn't had much of chance, I would prefer to keep him

Newnes - hmmmm that's a bit of a problem
McDonald - fair enough, but he is on the rookie list though

So what are the minimum set of delistings that we'll still need to do prior to the National Draft?

 

[Bokan]

Thanks for the info.

SPS is traded already - no way back after chat with Voss?
Parks - from the link I thought he was contracted till 2022
Ramsay - hasn't had much of chance, I would prefer to keep him

Newnes - hmmmm that's a bit of a problem
McDonald - fair enough, but he is on the rookie list though

So what are the minimum set of delistings that we'll still need to do prior to the National Draft?

Parks is a rookie, so it's year by year

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[FitzroyBlueBagger]

1. Murphy - retired
2. Casboult - delisted
3. SPS - traded WCE
4. Gibbons - ? possible re rookie
5. Ramsay - ? possible rookie
6. Marchbank - ACL rookie list
7. Newnes - possible contract trigger ?
*. O’Brien - uncontracted ?

8. Betts - retired rookie
9. Parks - ? rookie
10. Boyd - ? rookie
11. Cottrell - ? rookie
12. McDonald - ? rookie

32 senior list spots taken
6 available 7 if Newnes isn’t retained, if so then one/few others possibly traded or put on rookie list…

1. Cerra - Fremantle 2025 4years
2. Hewett - Sydney 2025 4years

4/6 rookies spots and 1 cat B rookie

1. Honey - 1 year contract 2022
2. Kennedy - 1 year contract 2022
3. Marchbank - ACL injury onto list 2022
4. Mirkov - 18 month contract 2022
5. Owies - CatB rookie contract 2022

 

[COBALT BLUE]

Correct. According to Sayers our list is expected to make finals.

Sayers does say some mixed messages as we have learned
Forget flags..the truth is it's time to put heads down and arses up even if a flag comes they will be working that hard that it's ok as it ever was

 

[TENACIOUS]

Long Post Alert...

Thought I'd measure this years midfield, against our probable 2022 midfield and then against Melbourne's 2021 Premiership midfield..
Used career totals so the stats are what to expect at a minimum..

Yes game plans and different coaching will play a difference...
Yes other metrics aren't visible through stats, our updated midfield has really improved here, 2 way running, effort, drive & leadership...

We are a couple of years younger than Melbourne as a whole, then we are behind on all other metrics...
Our midfield needs more accumulators, with good KE and who can take some ground with disposal...

2021
C	Newnes	Cripps	Cottrell
FOL	Pittonet	Kennedy	Walsh
7th & 8th Mid	E.Curnow	Dow
Averages	Age: 24.63 / Games: 95.74	Disposals: 17.59	Clearances: 3.45
	Contested Possessions: 7.79	Tackles: 3.4	Meters Gained: 231.84
	Kick Efficiency: 53.56%	Inside 50: 2.55	Goals: 0.35

2022
C	Cerra	Cripps	Walsh
FOL	Pittonet	Hewett	Stocker
7th & 8th Mid	Kennedy	Dow
Averages	Age: 23.88 / Games: 71.25	Disposals:17.33	Clearances: 3.05
	Contested Possessions: 7.96	Tackles:3.33	Meters Gained: 216.34
	Kick Efficiency: 57.03%	Inside 50: 2.33	Goals: 0.32

Melbourne
C	Brayshaw	Oliver	Langdon
FOL	Gawn	Petracca	Viney
7th & 8th Mid	Sparrow	Harmes
Averages	Age: 25.13 / Games: 117.25	Disposals:19.46	Clearances: 3.18
	Contested Possessions: 8.93	Tackles: 3.81	Meters Gained: 281.50
	Kick Efficiency: 58.10%	Inside 50: 3.09	Goals: 0.48

Dow - (currently worst of our midfield group averages)
Age: 22/ Games:59/ Disposals: 14/ Clearances: 2.6/ CPos: 6.7/ Tackles: 2.7/ MGained: 199.5/ KEfficiency: 47.2%/ I50: 2.4/ Goals: 0.3

Free Hits (that could improve us)
Luke. Dunstan - DFA
Age: 27/ Games:116/ Disposals: 20.3/ Clearances: 4.1/ CPos: 9/ Tackles: 4.5/ MGained: 265.8/ KEfficiency: 57.2%/ I50: 3.2/ Goals: 0.4

James. Worpel- Trade
Age: 22/ Games: 68/ Disposals: 21.9/ Clearances: 4.3/ CPos: 9.4/ Tackles: 4.6/ MGained: 312.6/ KEfficiency: 52.8%/ I50: 3.7/ Goals: 0.4

Trent. Dumont - RFA
Age: 26/ Games: 113/ Disposals: 19.7/ Clearances: 2.6/ CPos: 7.3/ Tackles: 3.9/ MGained: 290.2/ KEfficiency: 60.4%/ I50: 3.1/ Goals: 0.2

Seb Ross - UFA
Age: 28/ Games: 160/ Disposals: 23.4/ Clearances: 3.7/ CPos: 7.8/ Tackles: 3.7/ MGained: 321.4/ KEfficiency: 59.8%/ I50: 3.5/ Goals: 0.2

 

[Kwality]

The Hickmott boys played in Subi's latest WAFL flag - were passed over a couple of years back.

https://www.wafootball.com.au/news/21342/match-report-%E2%80%93-lions-overpower-bulldogs-in-grand-final

 

[CJMB]

Long Post Alert...

Thought I'd measure this years midfield, against our probable 2022 midfield and then against Melbourne's 2021 Premiership midfield..
Used career totals so the stats are what to expect at a minimum..

Yes game plans and different coaching will play a difference...
Yes other metrics aren't visible through stats, our updated midfield has really improved here, 2 way running, effort, drive & leadership...

We are a couple of years younger than Melbourne as a whole, then we are behind on all other metrics...
Our midfield needs more accumulators, with good KE and who can take some ground with disposal...

Dow and Pittonet really let us down in this department, (I'm a Dow #1 fan) but if good offers came, I'd entertain it..
We are believing in this myth, his junior talent seems a long way away... Dow's 2021 season stats are actually worse than his careers averages.

2021
C	Newnes	Cripps	Cottrell
	A:28/GM:191/D:18.3/C:1.3/CP:5.5/T:2.8/MG:300.9/ KE:67.6/I50:2.9/G:0.4	A:26/GM:138/D:25/C:7/CP:14.6/T:5.5/MG:225.6/ KE:55.5/I50:3/G:0.5	A:21/GM:19/D:11.5/C:4/CP:4/T:1.8/MG:255.8/ KE:45.1/I50:2.2/G:0.3
FOL	Pittonet	Kennedy	Walsh
	A:25/GM:33/D:9.2/C:3.3/CP:6.2/T:2.3/MG:79.4/ KE:42.2/I50:1.4/G:0.2	A:24/GM:61/D:15.9/C:2.4/CP:7/T:3.4/MG:200.6/ KE:56.2/I50:2.1/G:0.5	A:21/GM:61/D:25.6/C:3.6/CP:10/T:3.6/MG:326.1/ KE:57.9/ I50:3.6/G:0.4
7th & 8th Mid	E.Curnow	Dow
	A:31/GM:204/D:21.2/C:3.4/CP:8.9/T:5.1/MG:266.8/ KE:56.8/I50:2.8/G:0.2	A:21/GM:59/D:14/C:2.6/CP:6.7/T:2.7/MG:199.5/ KE:47.2/I50:2.4/G:0.3
Averages	Age: 24.63 / Games: 95.74	Disposals: 17.59	Clearances: 3.45
	Contested Possessions: 7.79	Tackles: 3.4	Meters Gained: 231.84
	Kick Efficiency: 53.56%	Inside 50: 2.55	Goals: 0.35

2022
C	Cerra	Cripps	Walsh
	A:22/G:76/D:17.2/C:1.9/CP:6.2/T:3/MG:270/ KE:64.1/ I50:2.8/G:0.2	A:27/GM:138/D:25/C:7/CP:14.6/T:5.5/MG:225.6/ KE:55.5/I50:3/G:0.5	A:21/GM:61/D:25.6/C:3.6/CP:10/T:3.6/MG:326.1/ KE:57.9/ I50:3.6/G:0.4
FOL	Pittonet	Hewett	Stocker
	A:25/GM:33/D:9.2/C:3.3/CP:6.2/T:2.3/MG:79.4/ KE:42.2/I50:1.4/G:0.2	A:27/GM:120/D:17.8/C:3.1/CP:8.7/T:4/MG:159.1/ KE:63.8/ I50:1.8/G:0.3	A:22/GM:22/D:13.9/C:0.5/CP:4.3/T:2.1/MG:270.4/ KE:69.3/I50:1.5/G:0.1
7th & 8th Mid	Kennedy	Dow
	A:25/GM:61/D:15.9/C:2.4/CP:7/T:3.4/MG:200.6/ KE:56.2/I50:2.1/G:0.5	A:22/GM:59/D:14/C:2.6/CP:6.7/T:2.7/MG:199.5/ KE:47.2/I50:2.4/G:0.3
Averages	Age: 23.88 / Games: 71.25	Disposals:17.33	Clearances: 3.05
	Contested Possessions: 7.96	Tackles:3.33	Meters Gained: 216.34
	Kick Efficiency: 57.03%	Inside 50: 2.33	Goals: 0.32

Melbourne
C	Brayshaw	Oliver	Langdon
	A:25/GM:119/D:19.3/C:2.5/CP:7.9/T:3.8/MG:319.9/ KE:60.1/I50:3.4/G:0.4	A:24/GM:124/D:28.4/C:6.5/CP:15.3/T:6/MG:312.1/ KE:57.8/I50:3.9/G:0.3	A:25/GM:109/D:21.1/C:1.3/CP:5.8/T:2.1/MG:363.7/ KE:62.9/I50:2.9/G:0.4
FOL	Gawn	Petracca	Viney
	A:29/GM:159/D:14.8/C:3.1/CP:8.3/T:2.6/MG:186/ KE:57.8/I50:2.1/G:0.5	A:25/GM:127/D:21.6/C:3.4/CP:11/T:3.2/MG:350.8/ KE:55.1/I50:4.4/G:1	A:27/GM:150/D:21.8/C:5/CP:10.8/T:5.8/MG:295.2/ KE:54.6/I50:3.2/G:0.3
7th & 8th Mid	Sparrow	Harmes
	A:21/GM:28/D:9.4/C:1.2/CP:4.1/T:2.8/MG:152.8/ KE:58.6/I50:1.6/G:0.4	A:25/GM:122/D:19.3/C:2.4/CP:8.2/T:4.2/MG:271.5/ KE:57.9/I50:3.2/G:0.5
Averages	Age: 25.13 / Games: 117.25	Disposals:19.46	Clearances: 3.18
	Contested Possessions: 8.93	Tackles: 3.81	Meters Gained: 281.50
	Kick Efficiency: 58.10%	Inside 50: 3.09	Goals: 0.48

I’m not sure this is worth the time it took you

 

[The Edukator]

What was the other 95% of his game time like?

People watch highlights and conveniently forget its the best picked footage.

 

[Bletch]

People watch highlights and conveniently forget its the best picked footage.

This.

Highlight reels are useful for an overview of the type of player you're looking at. No good at all for determining if a player is any good. Even Josh Bootsma would have had a decent highlight reel. I fear that all too often in the past our recruiting teams has drafted from highlight reels instead of doing the drudge work and watching full matches. I hope the current team isn't like that - although this year presents a lot of difficulties in that regard.

 

[Metalcrusher]

This.

Highlight reels are useful for an overview of the type of player you're looking at. No good at all for determining if a player is any good. Even Josh Bootsma would have had a decent highlight reel. I fear that all too often in the past our recruiting teams has drafted from highlight reels instead of doing the drudge work and watching full matches. I hope the current team isn't like that - although this year presents a lot of difficulties in that regard.

Bloody oath he did!
Pity non of it was related to footy never mind it was NSFW.

 

[Bletch]

Bloody oath he did!
Pity non of it was related to footy never mind it was NSFW.

I really asked for that didn't I!! Completely unintentional though.

 

[Blue train 28]

Anyone see Tyson Stengles snap goal then has kick 2 in this GF already
21 years old cost peanuts
Plays like a Eddie Betts junior

 

[Shambolic]

On a list review I think we are:

- +2 young mids
- -2 defensive talls
- -3 defensive shorts / pocket options
- -1 quality Rick


I think we need to trade sps and move on 2 other lesser quality mids to cover defensive gaps


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[4flagsin5yrs]

Anyone see Tyson Stengles snap goal then has kick 2 in this GF already
21 years old cost peanuts
Plays like a Eddie Betts junior

Reckon we should grab him with both hands.

 

[Arr0w]

Stengle will never get another gig

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Stengle will never get another gig

Ant yet his co conspirator, Mr Crouch, is given a get out of jail card?

 

[Thehurdle]

Ant yet his co conspirator, Mr Crouch, is given a get out of jail card?

I wonder if working with Eddie might make it worth a shot?

 

[AceAndy]

I wonder if working with Eddie might make it worth a shot?

I dont believe Eddie is at the club anymore.

 

[Arr0w]

Ant yet his co conspirator, Mr Crouch, is given a get out of jail card?

Not based on indiscretion

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Ant yet his co conspirator, Mr Crouch, is given a get out of jail card?

TBF, no idea what either of them did. Stengle or Crouch.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

TBF, no idea what either of them did. Stengle or Crouch.

Tyson Stengle parts ways with Adelaide Football Club

Young forward Tyson Stengle has been sacked by the Adelaide Crows after a string of off-field incidents, including a drink-driving charge.

www.abc.net.au