2021 Non-Crows AFL Discussion Part 1: we can have lots of fun!

[DJ75]

Wasn't that after he suggested Adam Goodes would be a good fit as King Kong?

Not sure of the timeline to be honest. More making the point that you could pick any number of comments that are disgusting and point out he should have been sacked there and then. One thing is for sure, the AFL certainly protect and cover for their own.

 

[Thetrader15]

This man on the mark thing is going to be a disaster. You aren't allowed to move at all once the umpire calls 'stand', until the umpire calls 'play on'. We all know players can't hear umpires anyway, and the umpires don't call 'play on' until a second or two after a player has moved, so the chip chip game will be going crazy.

No jumping up and down while the player shoots for goal, just stand there like a statue!

The penalty = 50m. Goals galore, for 1mm over the mark. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

I hope our team doesn't stand the mark, rather have a couple of players 5m behind the mark, who can then move and more effectively cut off the 45 degree kick.

#Bookmark

 

[DJ75]

What is really interesting is the response from the AFL.

When players test positive for drugs (PEDS) or a recruitment manager makes a comment they are all over it like a rash. They are happy to single out individuals.

But when a club has a drug program or a systemic racism issue. Guess what?

It's about protecting the BRAND.

This is the problem. They are all too happy to play around the margins when it comes to the difficult issues, and they can single people out. Not people like Eddie BTW, he is far too influential and powerful.

It's all for show. And it's about damage control and protecting the brand. That was evident in Dill's "discussion" with Eddie. He stopped short of apologising for him but it was "an unfortunate choice of words that Dill wouldn't have used".

This is what Heritier Lumumba has been saying all along. It's about the brand. It's about $$$$$$.

So Dill, where do you sit? Are you prepared to make a stand against racism?

It would want to be a hell of a lot better than your stand against performance enhancing drugs.

This is spot on. How the VFL can ever claim the moral high ground, on any issue, when they are happy to bury issues so long as it protects their brand, is beyond me. The sheer hypocrisy is incedible.

Still this is an organisation that manufactures results year in and year out, by applying rules, changing rules etc... to suit their own story. It genuinely is closer to the WWE than an actual competition.

 

[radiojake]

the project is funny - conservatives/moderates call it a lefty jerk off

but they'll have 'stories' that just regurgitate thinktank 'studies' from places such as the Institute of Foresters Australia to defend logging in koala habitat and then verbatim quote the Institute of Public Affairs to attack unions and wages in the construction industry

Total lefties

 

[DJ75]

This man on the mark thing is going to be a disaster. You aren't allowed to move at all once the umpire calls 'stand', until the umpire calls 'play on'. We all know players can't hear umpires anyway, and the umpires don't call 'play on' until a second or two after a player has moved, so the chip chip game will be going crazy.

No jumping up and down while the player shoots for goal, just stand there like a statue!

The penalty = 50m. Goals galore, for 1mm over the mark. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

I hope our team doesn't stand the mark, rather have a couple of players 5m behind the mark, who can then move and more effectively cut off the 45 degree kick.

#Bookmark

I think this is why in our videos you can hear Nicks telling the players to turn and go as quickly as possible.
As soon as the mark is taken the ump will blow the whistle and yell 'stand'. The player with the ball then can blow straight past them as they can't move!

It is going to be an absolute joke though.

You're right as well. What happens if you refuse to put a man on the mark? Watch the AFL quickly introduce a 'closest player must stand the mark' rule to make up for their stupid rule.

I love footy. But hell I hate the AFL.

 

[Thetrader15]

I think this is why in our videos you can hear Nicks telling the players to turn and go as quickly as possible.
As soon as the mark is taken the ump will blow the whistle and yell 'stand'. The player with the ball then can blow straight past them as they can't move!

It is going to be an absolute joke though.

You're right as well. What happens if you refuse to put a man on the mark? Watch the AFL quickly introduce a 'closest player must stand the mark' rule to make up for their stupid rule.

I love footy. But hell I hate the AFL.

You can see a player running 1m past player on the mark but they can't tackle them because the umpire hasn't called play on!

 

[DJ75]

You can see a player running 1m past player on the mark but they can't tackle them because the umpire hasn't called play on!

Yep. Only have to be out of arms reach. Essentially means as soon as you mark you can turn and go and no-one can stop you. Going to have some very interesting flow on effects.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

the project is funny - conservatives/moderates call it a lefty jerk off

but they'll have 'stories' that just regurgitate thinktank 'studies' from places such as the Institute of Foresters Australia to defend logging in koala habitat and then verbatim quote the Institute of Public Affairs to attack unions and wages in the construction industry

Total lefties

The Project is straight up trash.

 

[Scorpus]

Yep. Only have to be out of arms reach. Essentially means as soon as you mark you can turn and go and no-one can stop you. Going to have some very interesting flow on effects.

Surely the solution is you have your player stand 2-3m behind the mark which would give them total freedom of movement

Stupid rule with an easy loophole

 

[Thetrader15]

Surely the solution is you have your player stand 2-3m behind the mark which would give them total freedom of movement

Stupid rule with an easy loophole

The AFL have said the closest player is then defined as standing the mark. Will be interesting if a player is on the wing 50m clear, decides to go back on the mark. A player 50m away will then have to stand still!

Laughable!

 

[GROTTO]

Its a shame of the new rule, going to miss incidents like this. For the record IIRC the Cats player missed the goal.

 

[DJ75]

Its a shame of the new rule, going to miss incidents like this. For the record IIRC the Cats player missed the goal.

Which of course was illegal at the time anyway.

 

[DJ75]

The AFL have said the closest player is then defined as standing the mark. Will be interesting if a player is on the wing 50m clear, decides to go back on the mark. A player 50m away will then have to stand still!

Laughable!

The VFL rules committee in full flight. What a mess.

 

[footy4ever]

Its a shame of the new rule, going to miss incidents like this. For the record IIRC the Cats player missed the goal.

So I'm guessing this ...(at around 0.30 in the clip)... even though it was 'illegal' at the time, won't be seen any more.

Sort of takes away some comedy from the game.

 

[Thetrader15]

So I'm guessing this ...(at around 0.30 in the clip)... even though it was 'illegal' at the time, won't be seen any more.

Sort of takes away some comedy from the game.

or this one

 

[FR0GGY]

Do these rules even go through a committee?
What a farce.

 

[skam85]

So I'm guessing this ...(at around 0.30 in the clip)... even though it was 'illegal' at the time, won't be seen any more.

Sort of takes away some comedy from the game.

I don't know, I'll still find it absolutely hilarious when it happens to Port again, regardless of how many men on the mark there are.

 

[Thetrader15]

Do these rules even go through a committee?
What a farce.

Yes, an AFL appointed committee.

I suspect the AFL tell them 'we want higher scoring and less stoppages', so the committee comes up with ideas to limit all contact.

If they want less stoppages, here it is, really simple and no new rules:

When a pack forms, don't wait for players to 'knock the ball on, or get it out of there, just blow the whistle IMMEDIATELY. Players must return the ball within 3 seconds, or the player on top of the pack not allowing the ball to released gives away a free for time wasting.

The umpire doesn't look around, mark their path out of the contest, or wait for ruck nominations. They IMMEDIATELY throw the ball up and back out towards the boundary line. This means players don't have time to get to the contest to congest it.

 

[Scorpus]

Yes, an AFL appointed committee.

I suspect the AFL tell them 'we want higher scoring and less stoppages', so the committee comes up with ideas to limit all contact.

If they want less stoppages, here it is, really simple and no new rules:

When a pack forms, don't wait for players to 'knock the ball on, or get it out of there, just blow the whistle IMMEDIATELY. Players must return the ball within 3 seconds, or the player on top of the pack not allowing the ball to released gives away a free for time wasting.

The umpire doesn't look around, mark their path out of the contest, or wait for ruck nominations. They IMMEDIATELY throw the ball up and back out towards the boundary line. This means players don't have time to get to the contest to congest it.

Another addition to your proposal:

Pay all incorrect disposals immediately. Don't allow the ball to be "knocked out" into a rolling maul that bumbles around for minutes at a time. Fail to kick or handball? That's a free against. Don't give the ball to the player who has earned the free immediately? 50m penalty

Would open up scoring significantly as throws would cause free kicks, and those free kicks would cause the field to spread

 

[chrisso crow]

Pure rumour of course - no evidence as far as I know, but apparently just before Patton entered hospital, he got close to Tom's sister. Tom found out and confronted Patton, who beat him up badly.
No idea if true.

I heard it was Patton having relations with Tom's wife................

 

[Scorpus]

As a side note, how stupid was getting rid of third man up in the ruck?

The AFL wants fewer stoppages and less congestion. Solution? Get rid of a ruck tactic that allowed easier passage from a stoppage and less congestion, and in its place implement a slower nomination system that gives time for defensive positioning

 

[Thetrader15]

As a side note, how stupid was getting rid of third man up in the ruck?

The AFL wants fewer stoppages and less congestion. Solution? Get rid of a ruck tactic that allowed easier passage from a stoppage and less congestion, and in its place implement a slower nomination system that gives time for defensive positioning

I actually can't think of too many rule changes that have been good.

Cracking down on holding a player after they take a mark - good
Allowed to just run out of the square and kick after a point (+3) - good

That's about it

 

[Vader]

I actually can't think of too many rule changes that have been good.

Cracking down on holding a player after they take a mark - good
Allowed to just run out of the square and kick after a point (+3) - good

That's about it

Introduction of the 2nd centre circle for ruck contests worked well too, significantly reducing the number of knee injuries from ruck contests - as it was designed to do.

I also think that the recent (stricter) interpretation of deliberate out of bounds has worked well.

 

[Thetrader15]

Interesting article...the Giants are only doing 3 football sessions per week? Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Aren't these guys full time? Unless that's 3 x 9 hour football sessions, seems a little light on to me.

Fitness, game plan, recovery...what else do they do?

Hogan rising to 'huge challenge' as Giants seek Jezza fix

GWS coach Leon Cameron has backed Jesse Hogan to overcome a troubled stint at Freo and deliver in Sydney's west

www.afl.com.au

 

[Dudersaurus]

Interesting article...the Giants are only doing 3 football sessions per week? Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Aren't these guys full time? Unless that's 3 x 9 hour football sessions, seems a little light on to me.

Fitness, game plan, recovery...what else do they do?

Hogan rising to 'huge challenge' as Giants seek Jezza fix

GWS coach Leon Cameron has backed Jesse Hogan to overcome a troubled stint at Freo and deliver in Sydney's west

www.afl.com.au

Work smartery, not hardery.

It does say 2 of the 3 football sessions, but prolly excluded running and gym.