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Wow.

Just, wow!

Why would you even say that publicly.

Reeks of attention seeking, look-at-me type setup.

This sort if statement cam only end one way.

Dixon, Boak, Gray are still their best three players and are an old man's calf injury away from having their season screwed. The cliff could come quickly for these three and would end in tears for the pear.

One can only hope

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It was just an incoherent rant kept bringing up some interview Lumumba did in 2007 for the AFL record
Sam's a bit like Eddie really, he's a very smart bloke who does a lot right amongst the community.

But boy does he say some stupid things. He was right about racist being the most overused word these days..... Just because you don't like a person of colour it doesn't make you racist.
 
Sam's a bit like Eddie really, he's a very smart bloke who does a lot right amongst the community.

But boy does he say some stupid things. He was right about racist being the most overused word these days..... Just because you don't like a person of colour it doesn't make you racist.
This is true, but lets be clear, Eddie has:
  • Sat by as host of a National TV show and watched his co-host carry on in black face. This was done in response to Nicky Winmar not attending on the night. That is the same Winmar that famously pointed to his skin after being racially abused by Collingwood supporters. Remember that these shows have production meetings that Eddie 100% attends.
  • Said "You stole my watch" when Brereton was demonstrating how good indigenous players are at grabbing and holding on to wrists when tackling
  • Suggested Goodes should be used to promote King Kong.
  • As President of Collingwood oversaw a club that has now admitted to constant organisational racial bias and abuse
  • Oversaw a club whose supporters were notoriously racist in their comments.
So, yeh, the word might be overused, but it is correctly applied when it comes to Eddie.

He has also described wanting to hold a female reporter underwater and publicly mocked a disabled person.

What Eddie has shown us is that carefully scripted speeches don't reveal the real person - off the cuff comments however, do expose the truth of who he is at heart.
 
Sam's a bit like Eddie really, he's a very smart bloke who does a lot right amongst the community.

But boy does he say some stupid things. He was right about racist being the most overused word these days..... Just because you don't like a person of colour it doesn't make you racist.

What does Sam do right in the community?

Is it -
  • Wearing blackface to impersonate legendary Indigenous AFL footballer Nicky Winmar in 1999
  • Manhandling and groping a lingerie-clad mannequin with journalist Caroline Wilson's face attached in 2008
  • Defended Eddie McGuire’s comments about “drowning” the journalist Caroline Wilson
  • Describing five female directors of AFL clubs as "liars and hypocrites" after they complained about Newman's mannequin skit, leading one of those directors, Susan Alberti, to sue the Nine Network for $220,000
  • Describing NFL draftee Michael Sam as "annoyingly gratuitous" in 2014 after the openly homosexual player kissed his boyfriend on live television on being drafted to the NFL
  • Referring to transgender celebrity Caitlyn Jenner as "he" and "it" in 2017
  • Newman said that people who claim the booing of Adam Goodes is racism are just “dribblers who just want to get noticed”.
  • Describing the newly elected U.S. President Joe Biden as “mentally ******ed and has special needs” on Twitter.
  • In June 2020, Newman stated in a podcast that while George Floyd died as a consequence of police brutality, Floyd's extensive criminal record meant he was a "piece of shit".
  • The following week, Newman cast doubt that Nicky Winmar's famous jumper raise in 1993 was about Winmar responding to racism, instead suggesting that they believed it was to signify a "gutsy" effort. Winmar took legal action, with the parties reaching an agreement during mediation involving a formal apology and an undisclosed donation to an Indigenous charity.

Sorry, but Sam Newman is the actual piece of shit.
 

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What does Sam do right in the community?

Is it -
  • Wearing blackface to impersonate legendary Indigenous AFL footballer Nicky Winmar in 1999
  • Manhandling and groping a lingerie-clad mannequin with journalist Caroline Wilson's face attached in 2008
  • Defended Eddie McGuire’s comments about “drowning” the journalist Caroline Wilson
  • Describing five female directors of AFL clubs as "liars and hypocrites" after they complained about Newman's mannequin skit, leading one of those directors, Susan Alberti, to sue the Nine Network for $220,000
  • Describing NFL draftee Michael Sam as "annoyingly gratuitous" in 2014 after the openly homosexual player kissed his boyfriend on live television on being drafted to the NFL
  • Referring to transgender celebrity Caitlyn Jenner as "he" and "it" in 2017
  • Newman said that people who claim the booing of Adam Goodes is racism are just “dribblers who just want to get noticed”.
  • Describing the newly elected U.S. President Joe Biden as “mentally ******ed and has special needs” on Twitter.
  • In June 2020, Newman stated in a podcast that while George Floyd died as a consequence of police brutality, Floyd's extensive criminal record meant he was a "piece of sh*t".
  • The following week, Newman cast doubt that Nicky Winmar's famous jumper raise in 1993 was about Winmar responding to racism, instead suggesting that they believed it was to signify a "gutsy" effort. Winmar took legal action, with the parties reaching an agreement during mediation involving a formal apology and an undisclosed donation to an Indigenous charity.

Sorry, but Sam Newman is the actual piece of sh*t.
You're entitled to your opinion.

I mean do you have an actual problem with every one of those things you listed.... If you do then you're a bit like melted butter
 
This is true, but lets be clear, Eddie has:
  • Sat by as host of a National TV show and watched his co-host carry on in black face. This was done in response to Nicky Winmar not attending on the night. That is the same Winmar that famously pointed to his skin after being racially abused by Collingwood supporters. Remember that these shows have production meetings that Eddie 100% attends.
  • Said "You stole my watch" when Brereton was demonstrating how good indigenous players are at grabbing and holding on to wrists when tackling
  • Suggested Goodes should be used to promote King Kong.
  • As President of Collingwood oversaw a club that has now admitted to constant organisational racial bias and abuse
  • Oversaw a club whose supporters were notoriously racist in their comments.
So, yeh, the word might be overused, but it is correctly applied when it comes to Eddie.

He has also described wanting to hold a female reporter underwater and publicly mocked a disabled person.

What Eddie has shown us is that carefully scripted speeches don't reveal the real person - off the cuff comments however, do expose the truth of who he is at heart.
Again the holding her underwater is distasteful because it's a woman, or in general ??

There's many things said on this forum about Caro, and it's got very little to do with that fact she's a female.
 
Again the holding her underwater is distasteful because it's a woman, or in general ??

There's many things said on this forum about Caro, and it's got very little to do with that fact she's a female.
I would say in general it is in poor taste. But he's talking to an all male group about holding a womans head underwater while they take turns 'bombing her'. If you can't see how poor that is, I don't know what to say.

I will say that as a reporter I've lost all respect for Caro. She sold out some time ago.
 
You're entitled to your opinion.

I mean do you have an actual problem with every one of those things you listed.... If you do then you're a bit like melted butter
Are you for real? EVERY one of those things listed is, by itself, utterly disgusting.
The accumulation is horrendous. Sam Newman is one of the worst people around. Utter garbage.
 
Are you for real? EVERY one of those things listed is, by itself, utterly disgusting.
The accumulation is horrendous. Sam Newman is one of the worst people around. Utter garbage.
The Winmar stuff is horrendous I agree, the George Floyd stuff is a touchy one as no one deserves to die..... But you can't argue that a guy with his record is a beacon of society.
 
The Winmar stuff is horrendous I agree, the George Floyd stuff is a touchy one as no one deserves to die..... But you can't argue that a guy with his record is a beacon of society.
But, but but...

What point are you trying to make with this?
 

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But, but but...

What point are you trying to make with this?
I was replying to a comment. Everyone said how wonderful George was.... But he had a lengthy record. Sam merely stated he wasn't a great bloke.

The Winmar stuff was really bad.
 
I was replying to a comment. Everyone said how wonderful George was.... But he had a lengthy record. Sam merely stated he wasn't a great bloke.
I don't think people were suggesting he was a saint. That's a fair amount of projection.
Just that you know, police shouldn't go around killing people.
 
You're entitled to your opinion.

I mean do you have an actual problem with every one of those things you listed.... If you do then you're a bit like melted butter

That's not your best moment, seeing every moment that was listed was a garbage act from someone who has a long history of being garbage.
 
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