List Mgmt. 2021 Trade & List Management Thread II - IN: CCJ

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Spoiler: Lore's 2021 Draft Order

Spoiler: Lore's 2022 Future Picks Draft Order

 

[JOEYB]

I’m not sure what people are expecting out of 42 and 47

56 netted us Eddie ford 36 Lazzaro 40 something spicer So plenty value there if ya know what u looking for

 

[shinboner magic]

How many lists spots we got available with 4 unsigned players as well

 

[justroyal]

I’m more upset over that pick 19 **** up tbh

 

[Merlin007]

Had similar discussions on the Richmond board. But unless you have players clubs are bidding on, points are fairly irrelevant

agreed, but that's the art of it; to give Melbourne their due, their points based trading strategy has led the industry

 

[Le Grille]

56 netted us Eddie ford 36 Lazzaro 40 something spicer So plenty value there if ya know what u looking for

Provided it’s there in the first olace

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I’m more upset over that pick 19 fu** up tbh

That was more GC’s fault.

 

[The Y Factor]

The amount of carry on you’d we gave up two top 10 picks for CCJ. We punted a future second and got back some shrapnel for a bloke we think will be a 10 year player.

It's embarrassing.

 

[Roomoo]

The amount of carry on you’d we gave up two top 10 picks for CCJ. We punted a future second and got back some shrapnel for a bloke we think will be a 10 year player.

Exactly. Richmond lost this one. Simples.


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[The Y Factor]

I’m more upset over that pick 19 fu** up tbh

That was a win for us - we dodged a bullet by not signing a that cant get a game at GC on 500k+, some reports 600K, for 3 years.


We made the right call there.

 

[Shermanator]

Break it down.

Future 4th for Tarrant.

40 for 42 whatever.

CCJ and 47 for a future 2nd.

Is it really meltable?

 

[Ligma]

Oh fu** you

If it makes you feel any better I’d always choose you xx

 

[Le Grille]

If it makes you feel any better I’d always choose you xx

It does , thank you

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

The arbitrary points value of picks means sweet **** all if your picking regular players.

 

[Reginald0]

If we leave him forward, he will eventually leave. I thought that was fairly simple to understand. Clubs will offer him a midfield spot.

i have been slagged for saying jhf should start playing HBF for this exact reason, but TT will play mid and forward, which I don’t see Jy or Phillips or Powell doing

what about poor old Cunners! Bench?

 

[Merlin007]

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because in all seriousness (and respect) that's not how the industry works. This idea that recruiting teams lie awake at night thinking about how they're going to sexually abuse the opposition is a figment of BF imagination. It's a closed industry; people know each other, lots played on the same teams as each other but now find themselves a couple of years down the track that they're working for different clubs, but they still say at least g'day and pick up the phone when it rings. That cultural dynamic is reflected in the fact that after all the posturing, at the end of the day most things end in a trade (ie, they are voluntarily to agreed between the two parties). The number of times things break down completely and end up in some sort of dispute via the PSD you can count on the fingers of one hand.

As to the particular case in point today, we have CCJ and pick 20, which is what we said was our position, and paid the equivalent of pick 38 in points - what we do with the balance of our points after 20 (ie now picks 42 and 47), is up to us

And finally, to finish with the horrible defeat that is the combination of 42 and 47, we picked up one E. Ford (Mazda) last year at 56. Most on here are in a lather about how good he is, so that particular defeat hasn't turned out too bad so far

 

[the rooboy]

I’m still needing someone to help me here. Our starting offer was a future 4th? We ended up giving them future 2nd plus pick 40 this year for loose change in return when we had PSD at our disposal….. I know I need to move on but just struggling with Luff and Brady’s strategy here. Especially when it was only a few days ago that Luff got onto trade radio and sounded all tough and no nonsense about the worth of ruckman/forwards (hell we had the Nankervis trade as the perfect blueprint). Obviously there is a master plan waiting to be unveiled here.

Rawlings and luff are frauds anyone could of negotiated this deal but they did they royally shafted us. Dodo has the stigma of being hard to deal with and I’d rather that then clubs know it’s going to be hard work a future second for some bloke that’s played 9 games not even close to proven bloody hell what a disaster. There just my thoughts I’ll get over it but we have really weakened our draft hand next year when rebuilding confirms my thoughts on Rawlings inept at what he does.


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[the rooboy]

Break it down.

Future 4th for Tarrant.

40 for 42 whatever.

CCJ and 47 for a future 2nd.

Is it really meltable?

Take of your goggles we got smashed especially the position we where in.


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[Merlin007]

I’m still needing someone to help me here. Our starting offer was a future 4th? We ended up giving them future 2nd plus pick 40 this year for loose change in return when we had PSD at our disposal….. I know I need to move on but just struggling with Luff and Brady’s strategy here. Especially when it was only a few days ago that Luff got onto trade radio and sounded all tough and no nonsense about the worth of ruckman/forwards (hell we had the Nankervis trade as the perfect blueprint). Obviously there is a master plan waiting to be unveiled here.

Is that right? I must have missed the public statement by an authorised officer of the club with that announcement; can you help me out with that? The only public comment I know of his Glenn Luff saying on Trade Radio the going price for 22 year old ruck forward had industry precedent, which was widely thought to be an implied reference to pick 38 - which lo and behold, is what we paid in points

 

[Orange Peanut]

Ok I've calmed down a bit.
I was happy for CCJ+Taz for 38 to be done in the first 10 minutes of Trade week. "Points-wise" that's pretty much what happened.
I still don't think the points value reflects the true comparison of what you get for the picks, but no point melting when we don't know what's going to happen with those picks yet anyway.
I will sleep tonight after all. Go Roos.

 

[Merlin007]

Take of your goggles we got smashed especially the position we where in.


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can you just help me by explaining what you think that position was?

 

[Le Grille]

Ok I've calmed down a bit.
I was happy for CCJ+Taz for 38 to be done in the first 10 minutes of Trade week. "Points-wise" that's pretty much what happened.
I still don't think the points value reflects the true comparison of what you get for the picks, but no point melting when we don't know what's going to happen with those picks yet anyway.
I will sleep tonight after all. Go Roos.

I’m drinking myself to sleep

 

[Le Grille]

can you just help me by explaining what you think that position was?

Not actually having to deal

 

[Roomoo]

Rawlings and luff are frauds anyone could of negotiated this deal but they did they royally shafted us. Dodo has the stigma of being hard to deal with and I’d rather that then clubs know it’s going to be hard work a future second for some bloke that’s played 9 games not even close to proven bloody hell what a disaster. There just my thoughts I’ll get over it but we have really weakened our draft hand next year when rebuilding confirms my thoughts on Rawlings inept at what he does.


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Yep on the surface it looks this way. But who knows what happened behind closed doors. Maybe CCJ/management refused the PSD - managers have other players on their books and this can impact future dealings. Also, maybe some plans for 42 and 47 in the works. It easy to go all guns blazing but rarely the best option - burning bridges always bites back.


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[shinboner magic]

We got shafted.
Tuggers are having a laugh - even swapped pick 40 for 42. What’s that about.

Anyone could of got that deal.

Cancel Brady’s statue for Arden st upgrades

 

[Moti]

Ok, lets play crazy ball.

If Adelaide want Pick 1, and I don't really want to give up JHF, what would it take.

How about this?

Adelaide give us 2021 Pick 4 / Melb 2022 1st / Adel 2022 1st

We give them Pick 1 only, no other pick unless it is a 2022 4th Rd.

We trade Pick 4 2021 and Melb 2022 1st to GWS for Pick 2 and a Future 2nd. That is high enough up for Mac Andrews.

We then pick Callaghan and have an extra 1st in 2022 (likely Top 10) to pair with our 1st while getting back a 2nd round pick in 2022.

That's the best I think we could do. There is an element of temptation there and I don't think it is too much of a stretch.