Analysis 2021 trade thread

[dlanod]

To whomever was speculating about the AFL holding up trades until the last minute for "suspense", here's official confirmation that it's an actual policy - not just politely asking like they did in the past:

No trades can be officially signed off until after midday on Wednesday, but it’s expected the clubs will lodge the arrangement with the AFL in the early afternoon, well before the 7.30pm deadline.

Exclusive: Adelaide strikes deal to land Sydney’s Jordan Dawson after lengthy trade talks

Exclusive: Crows strike deal to land young Sydney star after lengthy trade talks

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[jasonrampage2010]

Dunstan - so we add not quick accumulator, with ordinary skills. Turns the ball over more than any of our existing.

How does that mix with Neale, Lyons, Robertson, Berry, Matho, CEY & Ely Smith? None are quick and if honest there skills are mixed at the best of times.

We need more complimentary mids & wings, with some different skillsets. Pace, foot skills, etc Zorko, Bailey, etc. hopefully also have ball winning ability.

I struggle to understand how some cannot comprehend this. More of the same/similar is not the answer.

Why is everyone still talking about Dunston?
He’s a Melbourne player let’s just get over it.

 

[jackess]

Why is everyone still talking about Dunston?
He’s a Melbourne player let’s just get over it.

Because he’s a gun. Won only 25 less Brownlow votes than Wines

 

[Quigley]

You have to work out who are your best 1 maybe 2 slow inside mids because you pay for having more of them than that. The Saints found that this year and we struggled to compete with the top teams with two slow guys. If Dunstan is the only slow guy in your midfield he would be absolutely fine but virtually every other team has someone they would prefer to play ahead of him. He is a very nice depth player and someone who will do fine individually when he plays but he is what he is and I don't think he is a regular in the current top 4 teams.

 

[Dalions]

Because he’s a gun. Won only 25 less Brownlow votes than Wines

Players used to win Brownlows with 25 votes.

 

[BangyBangy]

To whomever was speculating about the AFL holding up trades until the last minute for "suspense", here's official confirmation that it's an actual policy - not just politely asking like they did in the past:

Exclusive: Adelaide strikes deal to land Sydney’s Jordan Dawson after lengthy trade talks

Exclusive: Crows strike deal to land young Sydney star after lengthy trade talks

www.foxsports.com.au

It's Action Day. Strap yourselves in.

The only interesting thing for me really is seeing if Hawks move any of their players or if they have no takers & it turns into a dumpster fire next year.

Oh, and seeing if there are any unexpected players that move on the final day.

 

[scoman]

Why is everyone still talking about Dunston?
He’s a Melbourne player let’s just get over it.

I raised it in the context that Melbourne signing him was hardly a massive cue, and certainly not the kind of move that gives them the status of having 'Won' the trade period according to Kane Cornes. He could end up doing a Jarrod Lyons, but is just as likely to do a CEY.

 

[Quigley]

I raised it in the context that Melbourne signing him was hardly a massive cue, and certainly not the kind of move that gives them the status of having 'Won' the trade period according to Kane Cornes. He could end up doing a Jarrod Lyons, but is just as likely to do a CEY.

If we didn't already have Lyons I would have loved to have Dunstan.

 

[The Zork]

If we didn't already have Lyons I would have loved to have Dunstan.

Agreed. Even if it is taboo to speak of him now.

 

[Jon Brown]

95% sure this will all go through in the end, but who's the backup if the Cats don't get Ceglar and so demand too much for Fort?

 

[blueiris]

95% sure this will all go through in the end, but who's the backup if the Cats don't get Ceglar and so demand too much for Fort?

I wouldn’t completely rule out Ceglar we have chased him before

 

[Simba Moyo]

95% sure this will all go through in the end, but who's the backup if the Cats don't get Ceglar and so demand too much for Fort?

Fort will definitely go through. On the 0.00001% chance that it doesn't I guess we could pick up Mason Cox as a DFA?

Darcy Fort will be a Lion by the end of the day.

 

[cotter101]

I thought Dunstan might have been an option if Neale went and we couldn't land a FA or used Neales cap space to target someone next year. But he's not in the team with both Lyons and Neale.

 

[T Rick]

Assuming Fort becomes a Lion that makes about the 7th or 8th Cat we have traded in from Geelong over the last 10 years - just off the top of my head: Fort, Cockatoo, Linc, Walker, Bundy, West, Jansen. Begs the question- why so many from one club?

 

[twhowler]

Is there anything definitive in terms of comments from Ashcroft or is Dad about him nominating for us under F/S?

I am pretty sure he is no longer eligible for Suns academy because they shifted to Melbourne.

Fletcher Jnr sounds quite likely given his dad has moved back to Queensland.

Given cap / list issues this year was only ever going to be one in which we tread water in terms of established players. Darcy Fort

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Darcy Fort

Age

32

Ht

204cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

2.9

3star

CL

2.9

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

9.2

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.2

2star

CL

3.6

4star

HO

21.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

CL

2.2

4star

HO

15.6

5star

would be a sensible pick-up and seems to have some untapped ability.

We have had plenty of established players come in over the past 5 years. Time for a young talent top-up with 14/18/Ashcroft. With some luck we might have some cap space for a decent free agent next year, even if it's only a 400-500k sort of player. Depends what we feel we need by then (dependent on which young players have come on) and who is available.

What's the supposed mail on next year's draft talent? We are shaping to have a few de-lists, maybe 5-6, so hoping it's a strong one.

 

[jackess]

Assuming Fort becomes a Lion that makes about the 7th or 8th Cat we have traded in from Geelong over the last 10 years - just off the top of my head: Fort, Cockatoo, Linc, Walker, Bundy, West, Jansen. Begs the question- why so many from one club?

Given their success they've probably had quite a few fringe players who could offer a lot to a struggling club like ours (prior to 2019).

 

[mattsmob]

Is there anything definitive in terms of comments from Ashcroft or is Dad about him nominating for us under F/S?

I am pretty sure he is no longer eligible for Suns academy because they shifted to Melbourne.

Fletcher Jnr sounds quite likely given his dad has moved back to Queensland.

Given cap / list issues this year was only ever going to be one in which we tread water in terms of established players. Darcy Fort would be a sensible pick-up and seems to have some untapped ability.

We have had plenty of established players come in over the past 5 years. Time for a young talent top-up with 14/18/Ashcroft. With some luck we might have some cap space for a decent free agent next year, even if it's only a 400-500k sort of player. Depends what we feel we need by then (dependent on which young players have come on) and who is available.

What's the supposed mail on next year's draft talent? We are shaping to have a few de-lists, maybe 5-6, so hoping it's a strong one.

I wouldn’t have high hopes of next year being particularly exciting for us either unless a player on big money is leaving us. We won’t have much of a draft hand either after hopefully matching bids of both Ashcroft and Fletcher, wouldn’t surprise me if all our picks next year are kids already attached to us via f/s or academy.

 

[jackess]

Would seem like the late picks we have this year either don't have as much value as we'd hoped or we missed our chance to help out the teams that need points for bidding.

 

[briztoon]

Would seem like the late picks we have this year either don't have as much value as we'd hoped or we missed our chance to help out the teams that need points for bidding.

Pretty much what I said weeks ago.

 

[jackess]

Pretty much what I said weeks ago.

And you had an issue at me saying you try to setup opportunities to post "I told you so"

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Would seem like the late picks we have this year either don't have as much value as we'd hoped or we missed our chance to help out the teams that need points for bidding.

Pretty much because too many teams are looking to get higher up the draft.

 

[Elixuh]

It’s why I always take the last day of trade week off work - most exciting day of the year.

 

[Section 5]

Would seem like the late picks we have this year either don't have as much value as we'd hoped or we missed our chance to help out the teams that need points for bidding.

Still time after trade period ends to adjust the club's draft possession
It could be for this year or the next

Last year their were 19 "trade for draft picks" after the trade period
Brisbane were involved in 4 of those

 

[briztoon]

What's the supposed mail on next year's draft talent? We are shaping to have a few de-lists, maybe 5-6, so hoping it's a strong one.

At this stage, discussion from the AFL Draft Central writers is that it currently looks like there’s a top 5, then a big group of quality kids. View is there’s more depth through that second group, than in this year’s draft. A lot more KPP talent. Possibly the strongest ruck crop we’ve seen in years.

There were some U17 Championship games in earlier this year, so clubs and draft watchers have seen the top kids in each state. And quite a few of the top U17 SA & WA kids played in the last couple of SA v WA U19 challenge games. There were also a couple of SA v WA U17 challenge games. The Lions and Suns academies played a couple of games as well, and we’ve seen a lot of the SA and WA kids at Colts level. So we’ve seen most of the kids except for the NSW kids this year.

 

[briztoon]

And you had an issue at me saying you try to setup opportunities to post "I told you so"

I wasn’t setting up an opportunity to say “I told you so”.

I was giving my opinion of where our draft picks sat, whether they had any value, etc. It was within a discussion.

Heaps of posters here discuss different stuff every day. Heaps of posters would have the chance to say “I told you so”. Heaps of posters here do say “I told you so” in one form or another.

No one bats an eyelid at it. So why single me out for it?

If you didn’t make your post, I wouldn’t have replied with my comment.