List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

33

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[martyparty]

I wonder if Paul Seedsman will go into coaching like Sam Shaw who took Xavier College to the APS Premiership last year and won 8 of their 10 games to finish 3rd this year?

And Sanderson is head of footy/sport at Menton Grammar next year..

 

[Hodgy]

Perhaps, I wouldn't be surprised if we have big plans for him to ruck - he spends a lot of time with ROB already, he's not ignoring the development of his ruck craft.

Tillthorpe has looked like a mobile ruckman than can become very dangerous resting forward since before we drafted him. I have no doubt that is the plan going forward, and I can’t wait to see him dominating through the middle like Dean Cox or Max Cruzzer when fit. A lot don’t like it but that’s where he will be most likely to dominate games.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Magor a steal

Can't believe he lasted to the second round of the Rookie Draft, should have been drafted on Monday night, explosive, tough, clever, so much upside.

That's the type of local we've missed on because our list is full!!

 

[martyparty]

Always a market for cheap ruckman -

Richmond got Nankervis for pick 46
We got Sam Jacobs for picks 33 and 61
Geelong got Rhys Stanley & pick 60 for Pick 21

Grand Finalist Sydney traded for Tom Hickey (and Picks 34 & 60) - for 58,62 a future 2nd and future 3rd.

And Hickey has been at FOUR clubs

 

[martyparty]

Imagine being the club that used 2 picks on him

And was playing him at the expense of developing players like Newchurch.

 

[GameofSloanes]

We gave up almost all of the draft capital that comes with finishing a win out of the bottom 4 solving none of our chronic problems, and held onto never will be and past it players so strongly that we used up two rookie draft picks getting two of them back.

Underwhelming was charitable

Assuming you wanted us to get Rankine, the only other option was to use our 2023 1st rounder to get a draft pick that may solve a chronic problem (eg midfield). It's not a guarantee that it will though. Perhaps in next year's supposed super draft we get a better player, perhaps we use the pick next year for a more known quantity eg Hollands. Cant have everything. The other option was to not get Rankine.
Didn't really hold onto the other players either. They had contracts. We could criticise the list management for not staggering contracts sufficiently, but there will be a lot of those list cloggers gone by end of next year

 

[latinoheat]

was cooper murley cut after 1 year? And then re-rookied?
The guy was a ball magnet for Norwood in the u18

 

[GameofSloanes]

If we'd been able to offload Crouch onto someone and been able to grab a ruck/KPD with that last list spot, we'd look a lot more balanced.

No doubt. Cant offload what no one wants though.

 

[BACCS]

It's an interesting one to unpack;

We started the rebuild under the Nicks era with the strategy to fill the spine first - CHB in McAsey and CHF in Thilthorpe. Given talls take longer to develop, this is a strategy I thought was solid, with all the more contrast by North Melbourne going the opposite, to get talent into the midfield and work out from there.

We have been picking up mids with second round picks (with the exception of Pedlar (pick 11) - and really missed out when we drafted McAsey instead of Serong.

However, having done this tall strategy, it seemed we should have been looking for mids the past two years - but in 2021 there were no mids available so we picked up Rachelle - and I would challenge anybody to provide a better alternative that is not Callaghan (who went before our pick).

This year was the one, we could have had any number of quality mids (Humphrey, MacKenzie, Phillipou) - but we moved into part 2 of the rebuild strategy - trade for experienced and proven quality. So there goes our mid option, but we got in a guaranteed (as much as is possible in AFL) class and quality in Rankine.

In this time, we have only missed once - McAsey to Serong. At the time I personally approved (not that anybody asked), particularly given the trend for tall forwards all becoming more mobile, coordinated forwards - King at St Kilda for example. This is our opposition that we need to counter.

We still haven't answered that, I'm hoping Cox (free agent 2024) or someone else quality/ experienced will be recruited now that we know McAsey won't make it.

Our mids are 'stacked' with medium talent - Berry, Soligo, and Schoenberg forming a future, hopefully with Pedlar - still very short. I think there is an ok argument that says a midfield of second rounders can keep up with a midfield of first rounders, but it only really applies during the home and away (this is based on locking down the first rounders with hard grunt and teamwork that a second round group can provide - the counter is that once they get off the leash they will damage hard and quickly).

Our forwards are looking excellent.

Our backs are partial - but we can still recruit into this to fill the holes, but I think 50-80% is there.

I'd agree that we have failed in getting a prime midfielder. JHF would have been chased, he came home a year early for us. We now have put all our eggs into next year, we need to recruit another top ten mid next year. Obviously the drums will beat loudly from SA and BF for Ashton Moir, but will he be the mid we need (listed as an exceptional half forward)? Would we take a Duursma over Moir?

Executing next year is now shaping as the most important step of the whole draft strategy, particularly if we have another f/s in 2024. Fortunately we have a good draft hand to execute. Do we trust the team to get a gun mid? Might depend on how we develop this year, and if Rachelle/ Rankine + Dawson can make the move into mid, allowing room for Moir.

Lastly ruck is needed, but not a first rounder.

What on earth does 'medium talent' mean? Soligo showed he could be in that A grade class of mids, if his trajectory continues. Take Soligo in the top 10 last year and he then has the first season that he did, and this board wouldn't continually bang on about the non drafting of talented, potential elite mids inside the top 10.

 

[GameofSloanes]

And was playing him at the expense of developing players like Newchurch.

Newchurch has a fair way to go to even be as good as Rowe imo

 

[jackster83]

And was playing him at the expense of developing players like Newchurch.

Piss funny that we selected him when we knew we were delisting him.

 

[GrommoT]

What on earth does 'medium talent' mean? Soligo showed he could be in that A grade class of mids, if his trajectory continues. Take Soligo in the top 10 last year and he then has the first season that he did, and this board wouldn't continually bang on about the non drafting of talented, potential elite mids inside the top 10.

Personally, I'd prefer Rare Talent myself ... definitely not Well Done Talent though.

 

[GROTTO]

ADELAIDE CROWS

Picks (at start of the draft): 46, 56, 59

Selections: Max Michalanney (17), Billy Dowling (43), Hugh Bond (50)

For a team that wasn’t expected to play a big role, the Crows were mightily active. They were well prepared for a first-round bid on father-son gun defender Michalanney, who has the ability to play on both tall and small forwards. Missed out on getting back into the second round, but struck a deal with the Suns to get their hands on local ball magnet Dowling, who’ll add midfield depth. They then traded in to get their hands on inside midfielder Bond. Picks 46, 56 and 59 turned into 17, 43 and 50.

Grade: C+

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[Thylacinus]

Regarding a ruck, I have no problems waiting a year. We have potentially three picks in the top 30, perhaps even in the top 25. We can either draft or trade in real quality and do it properly. In the meantime we have plenty of cover with ROB, Strachan, TT and Himmelberg. Lets do it properly and nail it!

 

[BRL121]

ADELAIDE CROWS

Picks (at start of the draft): 46, 56, 59

Selections: Max Michalanney (17), Billy Dowling (43), Hugh Bond (50)

For a team that wasn’t expected to play a big role, the Crows were mightily active. They were well prepared for a first-round bid on father-son gun defender Michalanney, who has the ability to play on both tall and small forwards. Missed out on getting back into the second round, but struck a deal with the Suns to get their hands on local ball magnet Dowling, who’ll add midfield depth. They then traded in to get their hands on inside midfielder Bond. Picks 46, 56 and 59 turned into 17, 43 and 50.

Grade: C+

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These ratings are plainly ridiculous and not worth having.
If they were to have any significance at all, they should relate to what you have done with the picks you went in with, which they don't.
Also, the VIC biases are staggering. For example, there was no mention of us bringing in Rankine, but there was no problem mentioning the wonderful trades for the VICs.

 

[Ramify]

I really dont get why people hold up Sydney as some example of excellence...I mean in 100 years the Swans have won three premierships right (and one of those was in 1933)? I would have thought if we want to model ourselves on "excellence" then really we should be looking at Hawthorn, Geelong...clubs that actually win things...not a team that claims this amazing culture, but when push comes to shove consistently falls short (1996, 2014, 2016, 2022...so basically 4 out of their last 6 GFs)?

They have won 3x as many as the Power in half the amount of time.
Plenty of pundits fap over the Power.

 

[Jetafl]

Sometimes I agree with Kightmare sometimes not so much I think he was overly harsh don't agree with some of the things he said below and a grade D please it was satisfactory given what our very limited hand I think a C+ is more around the money and Bond is a big bodied inside mid at 185cm we need someone to step into that role. I made a similar point re Keeler but as others pointed out we being the AFC had seen him more than enough and clearly feel that was the best call. I hope that doesn't come back to bight us in the ar$e but I'm happy with the club's call.

Players drafted: Max Michalanney, Billy Dowling, Hugh Bond

Traded in: 43, 50, Gold Coast's 2023 second round selection

Traded out: 79, Adelaide's 2023 second round selection and Collingwood's 2023 third round selection

Grade: D

Rationale: With Adelaide matching bids on father-son Max Michalanney (the son of Jim) inside the first round, the Crows needed to spend much more than they would have liked. While Michalanney has earned his admirers, even after applying a discount, a first-round bid is a lot to match points on for Michalanney.

Adelaide traded for picks 43 and 50 respectively, slightly weakening their 2023 draft position in the process. The major question for the Crows around the selections of Billy Dowling and Hugh Bond is whether or not they offer something different for the Crows. Dowling is a suitable list fit on the outside and can arguably fit a need as a productive goalkicking outside midfielder. Hugh Bond on the other hand is yet another competitive ball winning inside midfielder at 185cm who fails to add something different to what the Crows already have; they continue to lack a taller midfielder or midfielders with a different mix of strengths.

Adelaide's other arguably questionable decision was their choice not to nominate Isaac Keeler as a Next-Generation Academy prospect. The Crows, as things worked out with their trading, could have matched bids on the athletic key forward and ruckman had they nominated him and taken him as their third selection. This would have arguably made more sense than the competitive and industrious midfielder in Hugh Bond who offers more of the same.

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[martyparty]

Newchurch has a fair way to go to even be as good as Rowe imo

Newchurch is still on our list. Rowe isn’t on ANY AFL list.

 

[Ramify]

I don't understand the stress about Ruckmen. Unless they are the elite 2, maybe 3 in the league at any one time, true Rucks are basically much of a muchness in influencing the outcome of the modern game.

On paper, we have one of the best in the business. In reality he's a list clogger. Then if we value ruckwork that highly, we have a No.1 draft pick capable of being that guy.

I'd prefer we go the hybrid tall/mid route myself. Someone capable of offering something more around the ground than halving ruck-lotto contests.

 

[spenze]

So only 5-6 years before they might be serious contributors

If we nail our picks, yes

 

[Golumless]

There’s no guarantee what we’ve done will turn out worse than if we had of drafted a ruck onto rookie list

I still got frustrated but that’s more about me thinking Verall could be something , maybe they think differbetly after meeting him or concerned re his injuries

Maybe they don’t want U18 rucks on their list at all , maybe the mid season draft has changed things

Only they have their reasons

it does seem like there have been a lot of rucks taken in the mid-season draft in recent years. Quite possible it is on the way to transitioning to a case of you go the, lets say, Ned Reeves route of bringing in a kid lighting up the 2nds when you need competition.

 

[cleanhands]

Maybe we just pinch Harry Boyd off Norwood in the mid season draft....Oh to see the melts from a couple of the redlegs boys on here would be well worth it...

If you are going to pinch someone may as well come from the best team

 

[Magma]

went as expected i guess. max was obviously the main one, i like billy though. know nothing about the other bloke.

it all looks a bit better if seeds can get back on the park. turner mid season selection continues to confuse.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

There is no guarantee with any player we draft, but we haven’t drafted one rookie ruck since 2014!! Which ended up being our lead ruck!!

I just don’t understand the logic in ignoring an area of your list.

As for trading one in, what’s easier? Drafting one or trying to convince one to come and then having to trade for one?

Look I have harped on about this long enough, it was an observation I’ve made that I’ve had to argue over and over.

I and 16 of the other clubs are wrong about the value of having a young ruck on the list and those defending this list management on here plus Hamish/Reid are correct.

Agree it's frustrating.

I think trading in ruckman should still be plan B if you don't development one good enough.

I don't think the gap is necessarily that big an issue given ROB was still considered 'young' not that long ago. Now would be the perfect time to draft his replacement in 3-4 years.

We can probably afford to wait one year but we're cutting close.

 

[Danger in Texas]

went as expected i guess. max was obviously the main one, i like billy though. know nothing about the other bloke.

it all looks a bit better if seeds can get back on the park. turner mid season selection continues to confuse.

I guess if we’d selected Carmichael (for example) at mid season, we wouldn’t have one of Dowling or Bond (assuming we re-signed the same players)

So I guess it’s the general handling of some contracts that feels more confusing