List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

33

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[Eagleboy2011]

At 23 I would target Adam D'Aloia. He has winner written all over him. I suspect Max M to go in the low 20's. Have we the points.

 

[glengowan]

Ed Allan looks a decent prospect for pick 23. 195cm midfielder who ran the fastest 20m sprint at the combine. Son of former Freo player Ben, but not eligible for Father/Son. West Coast have pick 20 so may not get past there?

 

[Draft Bored]

I wonder if phillipou has slid to say pick 13 or 14, whether we might have a deal in place for 23 and our f2 which will be a valuable pick in a stronger draft?

Yeah I've been thinking about those GWS picks 15/18/19. I reckon you put a trade offer to them each time their pick comes around because:

1) GWS are currently out of the second round in 2023
2) Assuming we want Michelanney AND someone else then we need to get in before the bid on Michelanney

 

[Danger in Texas]

Yeah I've been thinking about those GWS picks 15/18/19. I reckon you put a trade offer to them each time their pick comes around because:

1) GWS are currently out of the second round in 2023
2) Assuming we want Michelanney AND someone else then we need to get in before the bid on Michelanney

They won’t take it for 15 - they gave up 21 and a future 2nd for that pick, they won’t want to take a loss

You could ask for pick 19, but I don’t reckon there’s much point

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Success of picking key forwards early in draft and recruiters’ view of top choice Aaron Cadman​

North Melbourne is set to secure arguably the best two players in this year's draft, with most clubs understood to not have key forward Aaron Cadman ranked as the No.1 talent in the open draft

Some clubs do not have Cadman ranked in their top seven players (including Ashcroft) and think using the No. 1 pick on him would be a stretch.

The concerns on Cadman centre around his contested marking and how he will adapt to AFL when there's no anti-density rule.

Suddenly the likes of Tom Stewart will be flying across packs as third man-up, whereas this year Cadman has had oodles of space to work with

As St Kilda list boss James Gallagher said: “Typically your gun midfielders, your champion and your star midfielders, come in the first four, five, six picks of the draft”.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trade-ratings-who-won-the-megatrade-between-north-gws-west-coast-and-port-adelaide/news-story/8f2b447bcf064a2df78ba544f8b4100e?amp

 

[crow2crow]

Success of picking key forwards early in draft and recruiters’ view of top choice Aaron Cadman​

North Melbourne is set to secure arguably the best two players in this year's draft, with most clubs understood to not have key forward Aaron Cadman ranked as the No.1 talent in the open draft

Some clubs do not have Cadman ranked in their top seven players (including Ashcroft) and think using the No. 1 pick on him would be a stretch.

The concerns on Cadman centre around his contested marking and how he will adapt to AFL when there's no anti-density rule.

Suddenly the likes of Tom Stewart will be flying across packs as third man-up, whereas this year Cadman has had oodles of space to work with

As St Kilda list boss James Gallagher said: “Typically your gun midfielders, your champion and your star midfielders, come in the first four, five, six picks of the draft”.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trade-ratings-who-won-the-megatrade-between-north-gws-west-coast-and-port-adelaide/news-story/8f2b447bcf064a2df78ba544f8b4100e?amp

its funny given north are at the bottom i don't think anyone is very interested in their drafting or list management advice

 

[WaynesWorld19]

its funny given north are at the bottom i don't think anyone is very interested in their drafting or list management advice

It was more to do with Clubs not factoring in the U18 anti-density rules, which make Forwards look so much better than they are ......it was why Schache was a wasted pick ....Tom Boyd, Jack Watts ect

 

[baldandbroke]

At what point do we try and get back into the first round this year?

How far does Phillipou slide for us to try and come in with a trade using next year’s first?

Where will that 2023 pick land, would have to be top 10.

If he is still there at pick 8 or 9 do we try?

Or is next year’s first worth more to us than an SA first round mid?

 

[crow2crow]

At what point do we try and get back into the first round this year?

How far does Phillipou slide for us to try and come in with a trade using next year’s first?

Where will that 2023 pick land, would have to be top 10.

If he is still there at pick 8 or 9 do we try?

Or is next year’s first worth more to us than an SA first round mid?

we should now be trying to get north's or gws's first pick for next year. somehow. once you know where the chips fall its too late.

 

[Mostyn]

we should now be trying to get north's or gws's first pick for next year. somehow. once you know where the chips fall its too late.

Why would North or GWS do that?

 

[Bearded Clam]

we should now be trying to get north's or gws's first pick for next year. somehow. once you know where the chips fall its too late.

Using what?

 

[crow2crow]

Using what?

swap firsts 2023, add next years second give some players. no imagination and extremely risk averse.

im not saying its easy but we are going to be much better next year i suspect but can still fly under the radar. if we want the gun mid you need a top 5 pick. we wont be getting that via our pick I assure you.

 

[Mutineer]

Success of picking key forwards early in draft and recruiters’ view of top choice Aaron Cadman​

North Melbourne is set to secure arguably the best two players in this year's draft, with most clubs understood to not have key forward Aaron Cadman ranked as the No.1 talent in the open draft

Some clubs do not have Cadman ranked in their top seven players (including Ashcroft) and think using the No. 1 pick on him would be a stretch.

The concerns on Cadman centre around his contested marking and how he will adapt to AFL when there's no anti-density rule.

Suddenly the likes of Tom Stewart will be flying across packs as third man-up, whereas this year Cadman has had oodles of space to work with

As St Kilda list boss James Gallagher said: “Typically your gun midfielders, your champion and your star midfielders, come in the first four, five, six picks of the draft”.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trade-ratings-who-won-the-megatrade-between-north-gws-west-coast-and-port-adelaide/news-story/8f2b447bcf064a2df78ba544f8b4100e?amp

I'd say Sam Landsberger has never seen Aaron play or if he has very rarely. The kid is highly competitive in all areas of his game be it in the air or on the ground..
Worth remembering also he's only been switched up forward by Rebels coach David Loader this season after playing mostly defence last season as an underager. There would hardly be a KPF in the the AFL that works as hard as Cadman to be involved in every aspect of the game. He's a ripper.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Barnett, the greater need at #23

Not good enough

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'd say Sam Landsberger has never seen Aaron play or if he has very rarely. The kid is highly competitive in all areas of his game be it in the air or on the ground..

Probably hasn't .....however I believe he was conveying the views "of some" recruiters .....he did say though, there were opposing views as well on Cadman

I do agree though, he does get his hands on balls that he should mark ....but doesn't

#1 pick .....not IMO

 

[Jeffcrowe]

They won’t take it for 15 - they gave up 21 and a future 2nd for that pick, they won’t want to take a loss

You could ask for pick 19, but I don’t reckon there’s much point

On the night you could if your player was there

As we know alot of players get taken much earlier and later than media / fan draft boards predict sometimes

There could be some real quality at 19 left re mids

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not good enough

As a Ruck or KPD ? .....I like Barnett more as a KPD

 

[Mutineer]

It was more to do with Clubs not factoring in the U18 anti-density rules, which make Forwards look so much better than they are ......it was why Schache was a wasted pick ....Tom Boyd, Jack Watts ect

Cadman plays nothing like those blokes, way more mobile than Schache and Boyd and way more competitive in every aspect of the game than Jack Watts.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Cadman plays nothing like those blokes, way more mobile than Schache and Boyd and way more competitive in every aspect of the game than Jack Watts.

I was comparing "failed" #1 picks who looked so good at U18 levels, because of the anti-density rule ......I had the same question marks over Logan McDonald .....TWT with him

I'm not saying Cadman is a bad pick, and I can see the Cameron comparisons ......just not at #1 ....high risk IMO

 

[Mutineer]

I was comparing "failed" #1 picks who looked so good at U18 levels, because of the anti-density rule ......I had the same question marks over Logan McDonald .....TWT with him

I'm not saying Cadman is a bad pick, and I can see the Cameron comparisons ......just not at #1 ....high risk IMO

You really need to watch some full matches that Aaron has played not just highlights then you'll appreciate more just how hard he works, this not a one effort forward, he works his ring off..he'll be a very hard match up for KPD's believe me

 

[Jeffcrowe]

As a Ruck or KPD ? .....I like Barnett more as a KPD

Neither …. Wouldn’t take him before pick 40

What’s his traits ? What will make him succeed at AFL ?

 

[latinoheat]

Success of picking key forwards early in draft and recruiters’ view of top choice Aaron Cadman​

North Melbourne is set to secure arguably the best two players in this year's draft, with most clubs understood to not have key forward Aaron Cadman ranked as the No.1 talent in the open draft

Some clubs do not have Cadman ranked in their top seven players (including Ashcroft) and think using the No. 1 pick on him would be a stretch.

The concerns on Cadman centre around his contested marking and how he will adapt to AFL when there's no anti-density rule.

Suddenly the likes of Tom Stewart will be flying across packs as third man-up, whereas this year Cadman has had oodles of space to work with

As St Kilda list boss James Gallagher said: “Typically your gun midfielders, your champion and your star midfielders, come in the first four, five, six picks of the draft”.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trade-ratings-who-won-the-megatrade-between-north-gws-west-coast-and-port-adelaide/news-story/8f2b447bcf064a2df78ba544f8b4100e?amp

And we just gave away a top 5 pick rather than getting maximum value for it.

Would have liked to split it (with say Carlton) for their first this year and next and sent GC this years first

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Neither …. Wouldn’t take him before pick 40

What’s his traits ? What will make him succeed at AFL ?

Mobile 200cm player, with a bit of physicality .....I like him more than Verrall

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Mobile 200cm player, with a bit of physicality .....I like him more than Verrall

I’m a bit down on his skill set and athletic traits

Just average across the board

At least Verrall has some speed for a big guy and huge vertical leap at centre bounce

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I’m a bit down on his skill set and athletic traits

Just average across the board

At least Verrall has some speed for a big guy and huge vertical leap at centre bounce

Lets see how it plays out .....I like a bit of physicality in talls ....good contested ball attributes