List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Vader]

So.. at this point no one?..

Sounds like a plan.

I don't have a plan... but I'm sure the club would - and I'm equally sure that the club won't be informing me of their plans until they're ready to come to fruition.

 

[Danger in Texas]

We gotta get value from Carlton for McAsey/Sholl, now, and in a possible Crouch deal, too

Expected to keep EH, but now this pretty much locks us into what we have to do

 

[Vader]

*** Actually, I'm not really so sure that the club would have a plan - despite the bleedingly obvious need for another KPP on our list.

We've had an equally bleedingly obvious need for a potentially elite midfielder, which should have been our top priority for the last 2 drafts. We've drafted bupkus.

 

[Mutineer]

*** Actually, I'm not really so sure that the club would have a plan - despite the bleedingly obvious need for another KPP on our list.

We've had an equally bleedingly obvious need for a potentially elite midfielder, which should have been our top priority for the last 2 drafts. We've drafted bupkus.

Not one of your smartest posts...

You don't rate Sam Berry, Jake Sologo or Zac Taylor? Maybe not turn into elite mids but they all look pretty bloody good to my eye..

 

[rabidcrow]

By the end of next year there will be complaints that he is signed up for another year. A 2 year deal for a depth player with our list profile is completely unnecessary

Not at all. We need depth - every team needs depth. Look at Weideman at Melbourne - Berg is a slightly better version of him


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[Crow till I die]

Not at all. We need depth - every team needs depth. Look at Weideman at Melbourne - Berg is a slightly better version of him


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I was not at all for keeping himmelberg but they have and maybe in a years time if he is deemed surplus and there are any takers, he is contracted so we might get a later pick for him in that scenario

 

[Vader]

Not one of your smartest posts...

You don't rate Sam Berry, Jake Sologo or Zac Taylor? Maybe not turn into elite mids but they all look pretty bloody good to my eye..

I like Berry & Soligo. Haven't seen Taylor, so no comment there. I don't think either of them will be elite though - very, very good, but not elite.

 

[Crow till I die]

I like Berry & Soligo. Haven't seen Taylor, so no comment there. I don't think either of them will be elite though - very, very good, but not elite.

The future cotchin, prestia players of our team. Now can rankine become the dusty for us or maybe JHF if we could entice him here?...Rachele also an unknown in terms of what he could do as part of the midfield

 

[WeedsMullet84]

AFL Out of Contract Players in 2026

List of AFL players coming out of contract at the end of 2026.

www.footywire.com

Who makes our side better?

My list of wants (who have a somewhat chance to want to come to SA)

Jason Horne-Francis
Izak Rankine

23

Izak Rankine

Age

25

Ht

179cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

5star

CL

1.7

4star

Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

28

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

Caleb Poulter
Toby Bedford

14

Toby Bedford

Age

25

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

 

[Mego Red]

For 2 years.

So I don't reckon Frampton will be on our list next season.

Imo, Berg is the better of the 2 for depth.

Also may mean we are trading McAsey to the Blues.

For me, it's trade Frampton to Collingwood for a couple of bead necklaces, and it's move McAsey back into defense for a year for one last run at it.

Himmelburg is probably the best backup, so I'm okay with him staying, but Billy is a goner.

I'd be looking to draft Verrall or Barnett, and one of Lemmey or Scully. Grab some second round talls to invest in.

 

[Phyph]

I'm not sure that's true anymore.

Collingwood went into the AFL Draft last year with nine picks that they could use for points to cover a Daicos bid: picks 36, 38, 40, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78 and 79.

They didn't have nine list spaces.

I believe the AFL now lets you hold draft picks for point use that you can pass on if you don't need them or ultimately have space to make a pick.

I tried to google for more detailed confirmation, but the AFL document is 86 pages long. This has some coverage on it, though, and you may find more articles.

How does the AFL Draft points system work?

What does it all mean? Here are some scenarios to help👇

www.zerohanger.com

I don’t think this is quite right.

In 2021 after trade week, Collingwood had 36 listed players not including CatBs, 32 on Senior list, 4 Rookies. This means they could take up to 6 picks into the National Draft. These would have been 36, 38, 40, 46, 48 and 58. Pick 55 was traded during trade week to St Kilda for 2022R4(Adel).

After Pick 3 was made without a bid on Daicos, Collingwood traded pick 36 to North Melbourne for pick 48 (was 52 before Darcy) and 2022R3(NM). Picks 38, 40, 42 (was 46) and 44 (was 48) were used on Daicos. They would still have had 48 (which became 45) and the original 58 plus the picks 69, 87 and 90 That they got back from the Daicos match.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I guess we might be able to keep McAsey if we look at something like this:

Out: Rowe (trade/delist), Sholl (trade), Crouch (trade), Frampton (delist), Seedsman (retire)

Gives us 6 senior list spots, if list sizes go back to normal this year. Two of them have to go to Butts/Strachan

In: Butts, Strachan, Rankine, draft pick, draft pick, Michalanney

Then probably three Cat A rookie list spots (Murray, Parnell and Turner being the remaining ones)

 

[Mego Red]

I just think the club has finally realised a full SANFL game is worth more to our young players than the chance at 1 or 2 quarters of AFL gametime.

I said last year Davis and DMAC were perfect sub players for this very reason. I would have had him play it every week happily.

That was why I was never that bothered by Tom Lynch being a sub on one leg - better he gets splinters on the bench than a kid who needs game time.

Maybe didn't 100% work out, but I understood the thinking ...

 

[George CantStandYa]

That was why I was never that bothered by Tom Lynch being a sub on one leg - better he gets splinters on the bench than a kid who needs game time.

Maybe didn't 100% work out, but I understood the thinking ...

Of course you understand the thinking, it was a club decision.

Never mind it’s never been tried again by any club ever and meant we were one down.

 

[Mutineer]

For me, it's trade Frampton to Collingwood for a couple of bead necklaces, and it's move McAsey back into defense for a year for one last run at it.

Himmelburg is probably the best backup, so I'm okay with him staying, but Billy is a goner.

I'd be looking to draft Verrall or Barnett, and one of Lemmey or Scully. Grab some second round talls to invest in.

You need to go have a close look at Brodie Tuck....Can play back or forward equally as well and likely a late/rookie pick gets it done, he's already 194cm 91kg.

For what he'd cost I think he's every chance to be a very handy AFL player with his versatility. Should have played every Nationals game, way more grunt than Lemmey and Scully.

 

[Mego Red]

1) Both Michalanney and Keeler would be eligible for Cat B rookie status... but only if they're not selected in the ND - which appears unlikely. I believe we're allowed up to 3x Cat B rookies on the list, so in the hypothetical (unlikely) event that both made it through the ND then yes, we'd need to upgrade one of Borlase/Newchurch (or move them to the Cat A rookie list).
2) Not quite right. Turner is occupying a vacancy created when we placed Seedsman on the LTI list. Delisting him does not create a vacancy on the rookie list. Otherwise, your mathematics appears to be correct.
3) Butts & Strachan both need to be moved to the senior list this year. Murray can wait another 12 months.
4) Absolutely Rankine & JHF would take up senior list positions.

I think it is also likely that Seedsman will be moved to the rookie list, and thence to the inactive list, thus freeing up an additional position on the senior list. His rookie list position would then be filled via the PSSP or MSD, rather than the RD.

Note also that rookie promotions (Butts & Strachan) count towards the minimum 3x ND selections. It's quite possible that Adelaide will only make 1 or 2 ND selections this year, filling the other senior list vacancies via trading & rookie upgrades.

The club is clearly banking on the AFL increasing list sizes by 2 positions, restoring list sizes to pre-COVID levels.

I think the Cat B numbers are only 2 and have been since the list numbers were reduced, though I haven't googled to check.

My understand is midseason draft selections are officially added to the rookie list - though it's a slight moot point as it really just changes the mix of main and rookie list numbers for each club.

Are we 100% sure that rookie listed players now don't have a fourth year on the list? That was raised on the draft and trading board a little while ago, but I haven't read that formally in any announcements over the last 12 months.

I had also assumed that the club would go the Gibbs route with Seedsman, but I'm unsure whether you have to in the case of a true retirement (as compared to Gibbs)?

 

[Bearded Clam]

IMO we've put some names out there to see if there are any nibbles, but I highly doubt we'll trade McAsey this year unless a substantial offer comes in, min 2nd round. We basically have a free hit to see how he develops further next year, but I don't hold out much hope. If Frampton goes you'd imagine McAsey swings back to KPD next year.

Vader Few questions, if you don't mind.

1) Max Michalanney would be a Cat A rookie if we brought him in, but Keeler would be Cat B. Would that mean we'd need to move on one of Borlase or Newchurch or is there some flexibility in moving one of those players to the general Rookie list? Not sure how that works..
2) Delisting Davis and Turner opens up at least 2 spots on the Rookie list, but trading Crouch/Frampton/Rowe opens up 3 on the main list, which means we could move Butts/Murray/Strachan off the Rookie list and onto the main list, effectively having 5 rookie list spots available?
3) Do Butts/Murray/Strachan have to come off the R list at some stage?
4) Obviously bringing in players like Rankine/JHF this year complicates things as well, as they would surely take up list spots on the main list, yeah?


Seems like we have a fair bit of flexibility, even if some trades do/don't happen this year.


Contracted until end of 2023
Luke Brown - delisted
Rory Sloane - 1 year rolling contract
Chayce Jones - Re-Sign
Harry Schoenberg - Re-Sign
Andrew McPherson - Re-Sign- Small/Med defender depth
Josh Worrell - Re-Sign
Shane McAdam - Re-Sign
Jordan Butts (R) - Re-Sign
Fischer McAsey - Trade
Tom Doedee - Re-Sign
Darcy Fogarty - Re-Sign
Lachlan Murphy - Re-Sign - Small FWD depth
Nick Murray (R) - Re-Sign
Kieran Strachan (R) - Re-Sign
Matthew Crouch - Trade 2022
Paul Seedsman - Retirement, surely
Jackson Hately - Difficult to see him getting opportunities next year, possibly trade
Zac Talyor - Re-Sign
Luke Nankervis - Re-Sign pending development
Taylor Walker -Re-Sign rolling 1 year contracts

Contracted until end of 2022
Billy Frampton - Trade
James Rowe - Trade
Brett Turner (R) - delist
James Borlase (R) - Re-sign Cat B
Tariek NewChurch(R) Re-sign Cat B
Ben Davis(R) - delist

Theres no way in hell MM or Keeler get through to the Rookie draft!..

 

[Mego Red]

*** Actually, I'm not really so sure that the club would have a plan - despite the bleedingly obvious need for another KPP on our list.

We've had an equally bleedingly obvious need for a potentially elite midfielder, which should have been our top priority for the last 2 drafts. We've drafted bupkus.

You can't draft an elite midfielder if they're not there at your pick.

Putting aside the fact that we've gathered some good emerging mids in the draft the last few years, when we HAVE drafted (other than McAsey) we've made what seem to be the right choice. I think Thilthorpe over Phillips and Rachele over Ward and Hobbs is the right decision.

They clearly have a plan. It may or may not work, but they have a plan.

 

[Mego Red]

You need to go have a close look at Brodie Tuck....Can play back or forward equally as well and likely a late/rookie pick gets it done, he's already 194cm 91kg.

For what he'd cost I think he's every chance to be a very handy AFL player with his versatility. Should have played every Nationals game, way more grunt than Lemmey and Scully.

Ah, I still like the upside of Lemmey and Scully, but also quite like the idea of taking another tall as a late/rookie. Foster wouldn't be a terrible idea either.

 

[Vader]

I think the Cat B numbers are only 2 and have been since the list numbers were reduced, though I haven't googled to check.

Possibly. I'm not 100% certain about this one. Either way, adding both Keeler & Michalanney would require moving at least one of Borlase/Newchurch off the Cat B rookie list.

My understand is midseason draft selections are officially added to the rookie list - though it's a slight moot point as it really just changes the mix of main and rookie list numbers for each club.

Yes, they're added to the rookie list - but they're filling a vacancy created by moving another player to the LTI list. The LTI listed player (Seedsman) comes off that list at the end of the year, leaving us with an extra rookie listed player over & above the AFL's team list maximum.

We currently have Murray, Parnell, Butts, Strachan, Davis, and Turner on the Cat A rookie list. With Nankervis (PSD selection) making it 37 on the senior list, we only have room for 5 rookies on the Cat A rookie list - we currently have 6.

Are we 100% sure that rookie listed players now don't have a fourth year on the list? That was raised on the draft and trading board a little while ago, but I haven't read that formally in any announcements over the last 12 months.

They were given a 4th year for 2022, which is why Strachan wasn't moved to the senior list this year. However, the AFL said that it was a one-off. The AFL are frequent and habitual liars, so it's quite possible that it will be extended to 2023. Even if it is, it would only benefit Butts - Strachan will still need to be upgraded.

I had also assumed that the club would go the Gibbs route with Seedsman, but I'm unsure whether you have to in the case of a true retirement (as compared to Gibbs)?

That depends on the salary cap situation. Seedsman is contracted for 2023. Presumably his management and the club would come to an agreed pay out figure, which would then need to be included in our 2022 salary cap. The club may prefer to take the Gibbs route, allowing them to shift the pay out to 2023, where Seeds' originally contracted salary is already budgeted.

 

[Vader]

You can't draft an elite midfielder if they're not there at your pick.

Putting aside the fact that we've gathered some good emerging mids in the draft the last few years, when we HAVE drafted (other than McAsey) we've made what seem to be the right choice. I think Thilthorpe over Phillips and Rachele over Ward and Hobbs is the right decision.

They clearly have a plan. It may or may not work, but they have a plan.

The question wasn't Thilthorpe over Phillips, it was Thilthorpe over Hollands (at least as far as BF was concerned)... but I tend to agree with you that we got this one right. Choosing McAsey over most of the available mids in his draft was arguably our big missed opportunity.

 

[Chase13]

However, a club can trade picks out AFTER the bid has come.

Slim chance get both rankine jhf this year

trade few players use next years first

just get it done reidy

 

[Macca48]

I'm thinking that with draft capital from this year (Rowe/Sholl/Crouch), the club has the opportunity to trade in for Brisbane's first rounder, and potentially make a play for JHF using that pick and our first from next year....

 

[Danger in Texas]

I'm thinking that with draft capital from this year (Rowe/Sholl/Crouch), the club has the opportunity to trade in for Brisbane's first rounder, and potentially make a play for JHF using that pick and our first from next year....

NM will want more than that, with JHF being contracted

If we're going to make a play for him, next year is the year to realistically do it. Port could probably make a play both years, if they get a good pick for Bergman

 

[CrowsGoal]

You can't draft an elite midfielder if they're not there at your pick.

Putting aside the fact that we've gathered some good emerging mids in the draft the last few years, when we HAVE drafted (other than McAsey) we've made what seem to be the right choice. I think Thilthorpe over Phillips and Rachele over Ward and Hobbs is the right decision.

They clearly have a plan. It may or may not work, but they have a plan.

Thilthorpe yes, but personally wanted a pure mid rather than Rachele.