List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[George CantStandYa]

Lost me at when you said Duursma was streets ahead of Jones and McHenry. Those last two are just average to ok players, exactly like Duursma. None are setting the world alight.

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[NTRabbit]

The bold move is to internally declare Doedee surplus to requirements, shop and trade him to a Victorian club for a late first round selection, and then flip that selection for something we do need.

Doedee is the only player we have who is both not a necessity, and also has enough value to garner a first round pick in trade.

We will not do it though.

 

[CrowToon]

Smith won’t be, but the rest are possibles. Add in Crouch, Scholl (?) Frampton. This summer is very good time for a clean out

Yeah I haven't even gone through the reserves yet but there is plenty of fat to cut.

 

[1970crow]

When I suggested something similar along those lines I got howled down..

All I got was Hamish Hamish Hamish by the usual suspects.

You must be be very special because they haven't teed off on you for suggesting very similar.

I've got no doubt Turner's stellar Glenelg game against us early in the season was a factor in us selecting him and I'd be very surprised if Hamish or Justin who are both Victorian based would have been in attendance.

What will be most interesting will be whether he's offered a rookie spot for 2023.

Firstly, it’s very well known that I’m a lot more loveable than you, ask nearly anyone. But you’re right, it’s just pure logic to me. The more finished the product, the less need for talent ID which is much more geared at projection. We chose for the immediate, no eye for the future, that’s not a talent ID issue.

 

[1970crow]

Probably not..

But the AFL really should step in and say..

“sorry Paul, we’ve undertaken a WHS risk assessment and the risk of you playing on is far too great.. so here’s a payout of your remaining contract and we will look to re-train and re-employ you elsewhere within the organistion where the risk of concussion injury is far less.. and Adelaide, we’ll strike Pauls remaining contract off your Salary Cap”..

Thats what a professional orgainisation would do.. one that actually cares about its staff and has high WHS standards.

But as we have all seen, especially this week with the Cripps decision, the AFL has a very long way to go before it can be classed as a professional organisation. Its standards are little better than those of a cottage industry..

Of course the AFL can just do that whilst the brain injury specialists are saying that he can’t play now, but could play in the future. The risk assessment can’t rule him out forever.

 

[Mego Red]

The bold move is to internally declare Doedee surplus to requirements, shop and trade him to a Victorian club for a late first round selection, and then flip that selection for something we do need.

Doedee is the only player we have who is both not a necessity, and also has enough value to garner a first round pick in trade.

We will not do it though.

Yeah, it would be a bold decision but this is what I'd be looking at.

Personally, I think Keays and Doedee are the only players with the mix of potentially surplus, and actually attractive to opposition teams.

But they're also track leaders and popular, so we'd never do it.

 

[1970crow]

Dig deeper into those statistics. Separate centre clearances to around the ground clearances where we pushed an extra up to the contest for much of the season.
Then picture our leading centre clearance players being Laird and Keays and how effective those clearances are.
There has been enough times our midfield has been completely smashed in a quarter that its game over and its been the same culprits most of the time.

Personally I dont rate tackle numbers and only Melbourne have rated high and won the flag in the past 10 years. Richmond, Hawthorn, WCE, WB rated lowly in their premierships and even Geelong are 8th this year.

When you start comparing DE% to metres gained and clangers then you start to see a glaring lack of skill.
Our mids dont take many marks which maybe part of game plan and they dont get many easy disposals to set up dangerous play, have limited metres gained and dont kick many goals compared to elite mids.
You don't get that hurt factor from our mids especially the set up of Laird, Keays, Crouch.
So while certain stats tell a story the scoreboard and ladder position tell more truth about our mids.

In saying all that add Dawson to the wing and a JHF to the midfield and many of those numbers could be fixed.

Would be interested to see the differential instead of raw stoppage stats. Even then, for years our issue hasn’t been winning our share of clearances, it’s been the quality differential of the clearances.

 

[1970crow]

I agree.

Crouch will be traded is my prediction. He's an accumulator and gets the ball when he has no business coming up with the pill. That means he needs an elite outside player who can read the play. This is how he won the gold jacket. Seedsman out for a year with concussion related issues makes me think that Crouch will find a home in a team where his skills are in demand. I fear we may have seen the last of Seedsman.


Defensive play is also currently valued more highly than skills. We will keep Murphy because he can be defensive. Rowe will be traded. I don't think this is wise in a team where we need footy skills. But if someone is interested and we think the pick will be useful, I think we move him on.

I have heard whispers that Rachele is not happy with the Crows and club culture. I dont know if this is because we have been flooged by the media while getting flogged on field.... and a better season next year will help. Winners are always happy and it has been a tough year.


Surely Sloane only has next year. I fear, however, despite being the great warrior and clubman he is, his age might just catch up with him. I hope he finds a new lease on life, but I fear this is wishful thinking.


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The issue with our culture is more likely that our senior group are happy despite us performing poorly. People who are driven to win won’t like being around a satisfied and entitled group like our seniors are.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

We absolutely badly need a big bodied strong mid with power and ability to not hack kick it forward.

Other than TT, Dawson, Berry, Rachele, Soligo, Fog - I'm happy to shop absolutely anyone on our list.

Imagine being able to replace McHenry and Murphy with Rachele and Rankine.

 

[1970crow]

Guaranteed its made up. Soligo the other day said he loves the way he and his family has been treated.

What would you expect him to say? Do players ever slam the club or any other employee/player? It’s all happy families at every club until the player/employee leaves or is sacked.

 

[LeftyLuke]

We absolutely badly need a big bodied strong mid with power and ability to not hack kick it forward.

Other than TT, Dawson, Berry, Rachele, Soligo, Fog - I'm happy to shop absolutely anyone on our list.

Imagine being able to replace McHenry and Murphy with Rachele and Rankine.

Imagine if we had a ruckman with some skills. I dare to dream.

 

[1970crow]

Yeah, lets waste a dozen games on a cooked, underperforming bloke that wont be there for our next finals push..

Genius thinking!

The whole reason we are in the current position we find ourselves, with a team full of kids that havent reached 50 games yet, is due to this exact arsebackward thinking that sees us reward senior players time and time again long after its clear they are completely cooked…

its the exact reason a rebuild can become crippled.

“A dozen games and a home retirement match”.. my *ing god that is the dumbest s**t I’ve read on here in a whole..

And as if he’s going to only play a dozen games. He’s the captain, he’ll be playing every game and the apologists will defend it to their grave.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Yeah, lets waste a dozen games on a cooked, underperforming bloke that wont be there for our next finals push..

Genius thinking!

The whole reason we are in the current position we find ourselves, with a team full of kids that havent reached 50 games yet, is due to this exact arsebackward thinking that sees us reward senior players time and time again long after its clear they are completely cooked…

its the exact reason a rebuild can become crippled.

“A dozen games and a home retirement match”.. my *ing god that is the dumbest s**t I’ve read on here in a whole..

Would prefer us to retire him now and work out a settlement.

 

[1970crow]

He did re-sign very early on though.

Before we drove him into the ground and then played him in the SANFL? Lever re-signed early too but then wanted out prior to the end of the extension. Gov and CC too. I hope it’s not true, but I wouldn’t blame any player who strives for success looking at us backslapping ourselves over beating Roos and Eagles and wondering if we’ll ever get it.

 

[GROTTO]

Would prefer us to retire him now and work out a settlement.

He aint retiring, I would bet anything he believes he can play on into 2024 and will be looking for a new contract.

If our Club wants to set standards, he should be made to earn his place in 2023 via the SANFL and over a period of consecutive games.

 

[1970crow]

I was just stating the obvious ………………DUH







how many players wear crows gear

Be a requirement when at work wouldn’t it? Certainly they’d be required to when fulfilling their social media obligations.

 

[FR0GGY]

Before we drove him into the ground and then played him in the SANFL? Lever re-signed early too but then wanted out prior to the end of the extension. Gov and CC too. I hope it’s not true, but I wouldn’t blame any player who strives for success looking at us backslapping ourselves over beating Roos and Eagles and wondering if we’ll ever get it.

I think Josh has been treated fine this season.
Maybe played him a little too long before his freshen up.

 

[LeftyLuke]

He aint retiring, I would bet anything he believes he can play on into 2024 and will be looking for a new contract.

If our Club wants to set standards, he should be made to earn his place in 2023 via the SANFL and over a period of consecutive games.

The club needs to give him the truth that there isn't going to be another contract and he will be lucky to get a game. Once he knows this he will put himself first as he is more than capable of doing and hopefully retire.

 

[1970crow]

And that's exactly what we will do.
Are we a good club in that respect?

Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell all performing far better than pre-injury Sloane. Hawks a good club?

So a charity season it is? Won't give Crouch, (who I argue still offers waaay more than Sloane onfield) a fairwell game, but quite happy to squeeze Rory in for an entire season because why exactly? Culture?

Agreed, It probably won't "cripple" our rebuild, but it is just another unnecessary stalling,negative move toward overall team development no matter which way you look at it.

Im only interested in what benefit it serves in building a premiership side when weighted against the alternative. Besides sentimental value, where's the benefit? Who does it benefit?

Our babying of senior players is one of the reasons that most play out their final years barely deserving of selection. Tex the exception but then again, he didn’t start playing good footy again until he found himself in the last year of his contract.

We need to be prepared to apply the same selection standards to senior guys as we do with the KIDS. Selection is our only protection against senior players cruising to their final year. Continuity and selecting for experience points failed us when contending and it’s an even worse philosophy when you’re meant to be rebuilding.

Problem is that Nix needs wins next year, so we’re 100% geared at the immediate. there’s going to be no sacrifice of immediate outcome in favour of developing a future contending group. VB actually said the best way to develop for the future is to win games now. It’s a club level infestation of failed philosophies.

 

[GROTTO]

The club needs to give him the truth that there isn't going to be another contract and he will be lucky to get a game. Once he knows this he will put himself first as he is more than capable of doing and hopefully retire.

Club could also easily entice him with a role on their coaching staff in 2024 and encourage him that retirement is his only option.

Knowing the Club, the summer will be spent show pics of how well Sloane is doing over summer and looking to play Round 1.

 

[1970crow]

I think Josh has been treated fine this season.
Maybe played him a little too long before his freshen up.

Don’t disagree from our perspective, but ending up in the physical shape that sees you in the 2s can change things. Not saying it’s the case, just that re-signing very early in the year doesn’t necessarily reflect how he’s feeling now after a full season has played out. Plus, prior to him playing a few games his manager probably hadn’t fielded any queries as to gettability with big contract offers. Just spitballing though, I don’t actually know when he signed his extension.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Don’t disagree from our perspective, but ending up in the physical shape that sees you in the 2s can change things. Not saying it’s the case, just that re-signing very early in the year doesn’t necessarily reflect how he’s feeling now after a full season has played out. Plus, prior to him playing a few games his manager probably hadn’t fielded any queries as to gettability with big contract offers. Just spitballing though, I don’t actually know when he signed his extension.

I don't believe he would be getting big contract offers from other clubs currently. If he puts together a season and a half of consistently high quality performances resulting in a top 5 best and fairest then he he would most definitely get some decent offers. I think he needs to just focus on getting fitter, stronger and more durable. Same with Thilthorpe. Smart move on our part to recontract him because if he does want to move then it's two firsts to move him.

 

[Thetrader15]

I think Josh has been treated fine this season.
Maybe played him a little too long before his freshen up.

I'm happy to back Burgess' judgement on this considering he has all the medical information and expertise in this area, while we are just watching a player 2 hours a week.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Firstly, it’s very well known that I’m a lot more loveable than you, ask nearly anyone. But you’re right, it’s just pure logic to me. The more finished the product, the less need for talent ID which is much more geared at projection. We chose for the immediate, no eye for the future, that’s not a talent ID issue.

Hamish had to select him, that’s on him.

 

[George CantStandYa]

We badly need mids so I’m not sure how we can just shrug our shoulders and ignore a decent one who wants to come to SA in Dunkley.