List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[ABAB]

The kid sounds spooked enough as it is.. if a trade isnt done I can easily see him just re-signing with the Suns instead of taking a chance in the PSD..

Which is a fxxking disgusting prospect because the crows have had 3 young player leave for massive contracts (2 of them in cameron and mcgovern) and the crows never attempted to block their trades. They dealt with it and just worked on getting the best deal for them they could even as contracted fxxking players.

I can see the entitled “we deserve everything” flogs that are the Suns thinking “lets refuse to entertain a deal unless its ludicrously overs and try and force it to the PSD” in the hope that if this does look likely that Rankine simply re-signs with them rather than risk going to north or west coast or bombers..

And the anti crows media will cheer it along.

Front load Rankine's contract to $1.5M for next year and see if they want to bite, we are just copying what Carlton did for Martin and see if those anti Crows media have the guts to call us out.

 

[Mego Red]

Should he?

How many tall mid/forwards who are currently all the rage available in this draft especially given his age and potential upside?

Wow - you really think that?

I think there's a good 8+ players who'd be before him on most boards.

You know this a lot better than me, but I reckon Ashcroft, Wardlaw, Tsatas, Sheezel and Cadman would definitely be ahead of him, and McKenzie and Bussinger would be a coin flip. Maybe Jefferson as well, if someone needs a key forward, and Humphrey might be coming late.

 

[Mutineer]

Ashcroft
Sheezel
Tsatas
Jefferson
Busslinger
Wardlaw
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I'd take Aaron Cadman if we weren't in need of a class midfielder..

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'd take AaronCadman if we weren't in need of a class midfielder..

I'm a big Jefferson fan ......the Gibcus of this draft, for marking .....but so much like Harrison Jones as a FWD

Me likey

 

[70lethal]

Stop talking s**t....

Phillipou has always been one of my favoured players if he;s available at our pick

Go check the draft board.
You 1st said we could swap with GC and still get him and when questioned and I said Hamish has no excuse for not drafting a big bodied mid this year you gave a thumbs down and referenced Twomey article with him between 10-15 and everytime a big bodied mid was brought up you bang on about Wardlaw, Ashcroft and Clarke knowing 2 were going to be gone.

You argue for the sake of arguing no matter how stupid it is and wrong you are.

If I. Talking sxxt the why have you continually chosen to play devils advocate everytime a big bodied mid is mentioned of you rate him so highly?

Why did you have the capacity to say this year yep looks like we could get that big bodied mid?

Because you don't rate them like Hamish and proven this time and time again

 

[Mutineer]

Wow - you really think that?

I think there's a good 8+ players who'd be before him on most boards.

You know this a lot better than me, but I reckon Ashcroft, Wardlaw, Tsatas, Sheezel and Cadman would definitely be ahead of him, and McKenzie and Bussinger would be a coin flip. Maybe Jefferson as well, if someone needs a key forward, and Humphrey might be coming late.

Yeah I do, go back and watch the supreme quarter of football he played before injuring his back at the Nationals, no mid played a better quarter of footy at the Nationals. 27/12/2004 birthday

 

[Thetrader15]

Beveridge has handled Dunkley poorly.
He is very different to Schoenberg in many ways.
Go look at his 2019 year at 22 y.o.
He was on track to being a gun.
191cm 90kg mid averaging almost 30 possessions a game.

And kicking efficiency of 57%...which is the same as Laird this year. Meanwhile Jack Macrae 68%

 

[Mutineer]

Go check the draft board.
You 1st said we could swap with GC and still get him and when questioned and I said Hamish has no excuse for not drafting a big bodied mid this year you gave a thumbs down and referenced Twomey article with him between 10-15 and everytime a big bodied mid was brought up you bang on about Wardlaw, Ashcroft and Clarke knowing 2 were going to be gone.

You argue for the sake of arguing no matter how stupid it is and wrong you are.

What utter crap, I just want the most talented mid available, that's always been my call, size to me is irrelevant, I'll tell you one thing Phillipou has the potential to be way more damaging than a lot of the mids in this draft regardless of his size. Same as I always rated Bailey Smith above Sam Walsh...hurt factor.

 

[Mego Red]

Yeah I do, go back and watch the supreme quarter of football he played before injuring his back at the Nationals, no mid played a better quarter of footy at the Nationals. 27/12/2004 birthday

I'm not against it - I think others probably have similar upside and maybe a bigger body of work. For better or worse, SA players get marked down for spending most of the year in a lesser comp

 

[LC40]

I'm keen to trade for another non goal kicking defensive forward.

 

[GreyCrow]

I'm keen to trade for another non goal kicking defensive forward.

Lad called Henry McMurphy available

 

[1970crow]

Brendan Bolton is an apt comparison at this stage.

His record will be very bad when he’s sacked next year.

 

[Mutineer]

I'm a big Jefferson fan ......the Gibcus of this draft, for marking .....but so much like Harrison Jones as a FWD

Me likey

Aaron Cadman just destroyed the Falcons with his game today in a massive come from behind win, he has a better all round game than Jefferson IMO, his follow up work when the ball hits the deck is off the charts as well as his high marking. I think he compares favourably with that Aaron bloke running around in the AFL currently.

 

[Miss Vanessa]

Lost me at when you said Duursma was streets ahead of Jones and McHenry. Those last two are just average to ok players, exactly like Duursma. None are setting the world alight.

If I’m in a pessimistic, snarky mood - which happens from time to time - I’d agree with you that Duursma is an average player… but still insist that he is head and shoulders above Jones and McHenry.

But if I’m in an optimistic, perky mood I’d suggest that ruling a line through Jones and McHenry is premature and that with another pre-season under their belt and the club backing them in, they could still become very handy AFL players.

God I hope optimistic me is right… but realistic me is probably siding with pessimistic me…

Go Crows.

 

[ABAB]

If I’m in a pessimistic, snarky mood - which happens from time to time - I’d agree with you that Duursma is an average player… but still insist that he is head and shoulders above Jones and McHenry.

But if I’m in an optimistic, perky mood I’d suggest that ruling a line through Jones and McHenry is premature and that with another pre-season under their belt and the club backing them in, they could still become very handy AFL players.

God I hope optimistic me is right… but realistic me is probably siding with pessimistic me…

Go Crows.

Put a line through them and if we get Rankine then prioritize Taylor in place of Jones. If not, prioritize Newchurch and Taylor in place of McHenry and Jones.

 

[safeandsound]

Our aim over the next couple of years should be to trade out some players with currency , cut dead wood , flip and package picks to secure Rankine , Phillipou ( type ) , MM this off season and position ourselves to manoeuvre and complete rebuild at the end of 2023 .

If we do things well we should have an open and sustained window from 2024 to push into finals contention and beyond .

We are a 4-5 pieces and development away but i am bullish for a good run especially from 2025-2030 .

A flag in that time will come if we are brave and hungry .

 

[Jirkago75]

Collingwood are into Frampton. guess thats a DFA so no trade to be done.

Trade for Poulter?? He looked good in the few games I saw him, tall, athletic wingman

 

[Crow till I die]

Beveridge has prioritised Macrae, Bont. Macrae is a bit overrated imo.

Macrea is a super player. I'd have him in our midfield in a heartbeat

 

[Crow till I die]

Front load Rankine's contract to $1.5M for next year and see if they want to bite, we are just copying what Carlton did for Martin and see if those anti Crows media have the guts to call us out.

I think the difference is there are 3 or 4 clubs that get to pick before us with likely lots of cap space. Rankine also presents as a much greater talent than martin did so ain't gping to fly under any radar if it ever got to a psd scenario.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Pretty much. We need to find our Martin or Petracca

Yep, 100% this. And soon

It’s highly possible we’re a bottom six side again next year, so we could have a chance to pick up that type of player then. Rankine is classy as all hell and will be able to push up the ground, but isn’t a Martin/Petracca

 

[Mutineer]

I think the difference is there are 3 or 4 clubs that get to pick before us with likely lots of cap space. Rankine also presents as a much greater talent than martin did so ain't gping to fly under any radar if it ever got to a psd scenario.

Geez mate Not sure that Rankine at the same stage of their careers was all that inferior to Rankine.

He went pick 1 in the 2012 mini draft for a reason.

Jack Martin and Izak Rankine AFL Stats Comparison

Jack Martin and Izak Rankine AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

 

[Danger in Texas]

Phillipou is obviously a quality, quality prospect, and if we can somehow manoeuvre ourselves to grab both him and Rankine, you do it. 100% of the time

I’d easily take the chance on Phillipou’s upside rather than go for a Dunkley type. We need an A+ grader if we’re gonna look to be contending some time this decade

 

[George CantStandYa]

Phillipou is obviously a quality, quality prospect, and if we can somehow manoeuvre ourselves to grab both him and Rankine, you do it. 100% of the time

I’d easily take the chance on Phillipou’s upside rather than go for a Dunkley type. We need an A+ grader if we’re gonna look to be contending some time this decade

It’s not a matter of Phillipou or Dunkley, if we are keeping our first and still getting Rankine, there’s no chance we’d use it to get Dunkley and not get a high end mid like Phillipou with our first.

But seeing our first is likely gone and we haven’t done anything to improve our midfield, then Dunkley would be a very good choice, he’d instantly be up their behind Laird.

I doubt Port are giving up their top 10 pick for Dunkley and we wouldn’t either. Sure we’d have to perform some magic to get a deal done but that’s what they get paid the big bucks for, it might be a case of swapping a player, Doedee for example.

 

[1990crow]

Phillipou is obviously a quality, quality prospect, and if we can somehow manoeuvre ourselves to grab both him and Rankine, you do it. 100% of the time

I’d easily take the chance on Phillipou’s upside rather than go for a Dunkley type. We need an A+ grader if we’re gonna look to be contending some time this decade

The clubs messaging about bringing in acquisition(s) and the need to bring in experience in the midfield (Tex has said this in an interview) says otherwise.

Wouldn’t be surprised if we are after Hopper or Dunkley.

 

[LeftyLuke]

This is what i would try and do at the trade table. Green will probably not leave Gws and Cox probably won't leave Freo but you never know.
What do we need to get better?
*A decent experienced KPD
*An experienced big bodied mid around the 24 year old age group
*A experienced small forward that may be able to play mid as well.

So I would trade Doedee and Jones out for pick 20-25 for Doedee and a pick in the 30's for Jones, say pick 35.

This would give us pick 5 and 20(Doedee trade), 23, 35(Jones trade). So I would bundle pick 20 and 35 for pick 12. This would give us pick 5, 12, 23.

I would offer pick 12 for Brennan Cox

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Brennan Cox

Age

26

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

182.8

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

182.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

at Freo. In contract but pick 12 should get it done.
I would offer our 2023 1st for Rankine. This should be pick 8? or around that mark. I think this is overs for Rankine so I would negotiate for GC 2nd back to us which should be pick 28-30?.
I would offer our pick 5 to Gws for Tom Green

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Tom Green

Age

24

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

. We would need to offer him 1.2m to get him to leave Gws but he is exactly the proven big bodied mid we need. Retire Sloane early and with Doedee and Jones going out this will help to pay for Green.

Therefore our 2022 team would look something like this:

Parnell Butts Worrell
Hamill? Cox Hinge
Soligo Laird Dawson
McAdam Murray Walker
Rachele Fogarty Rankine

Thilthorpe Green Berry

Schoenberg? Frampton Taylor? Gollant/Cook?

Frampton and Worrell as our interceptors. I would swap Murray forward and play him and Thilthorpe as our interchanging ruck/forwards allowing us to drop ROB. I would look at playing Himnelberg down back as KPD depth. The positives in this team is that it moves out McHenry, Murphy, ROB, Rowe, Smith, Keays, Milera, Jones who are all weak links for us.