List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[earlsta]

The team we’re putting on the park week in week out is one of the worst I’ve ever seen us with to be honest.

Obviously it’s still early but I think we nailed the draft in 2021 there’s massive holes all over the park.

Starting with the midfield.. it’s just pathetic.. Berry looks quick in our midfield.. that’s how painfully slow our midfield actually is.

It’s embarrassing the way we’ve drafted recently & the lack of players we’ve put through the middle. We’ve also wasted a cooked Sloane for about 2 years in the midfield where we could have placed a younger player there in his spot, if we keep at it we’re more screwed in the future, we will get worse before we even begin to get better. We’ve run with 4 -5 senior guys + shoenberg mainly rotating through the midfield week in week out for the past 3 years, there is zero forward planning & a huge lack of development in the midfield. I couldn’t care less about how we lose or if we even win.. we’re actually not even improving our weakest position on the ground, we’re wasting way too much time.

 

[bmac84]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

The fact is that McAsey was universally acknowledged as the best KPD prospect in his draft year. The fact that he hasn't developed anywhere near as well as we'd hoped is unfortunate, but the decision to draft McAsey instead of De Koning was the right one to make at the time.

Recruiters can't make decisions based on how players perform 3 years after a player is drafted - they can only judge them by what they produce before they're drafted.

We’ve whiffed on too many high end picks to just sit back and call it unfortunate. The fact that there’s seemingly no external pressure on our entire recruiting/list management team is astounding.

 

[LoBu]

I hope Hamish and co are watching todays game, Sam De Koning was taken at pick 19 in 2019, the same draft we took 'the best kpd prospect', Fischer McAsey

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Fischer Mcasey

Age

24

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.8

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

3star

MG

102.3

2star

D

6.8

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

2star

MG

102.3

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

MG

114.8

2star

at pick 6. Never mind the fact one is killing it in the AFL and ones barely impacting the Sanfl, if you can't see a raw talent like De Koning and the upside he has in the current way the game is going then maybe recruiting has gone past you. Pick 6 was our highest ever pick at that point and we were screaming out for midfielders, but we take a kpd with limited upside.

SDK in good form, and has surpassed Fisher, but blind Freddy could see he was going to play well today against possibly the youngest forward line the crows have ever played, average of 44 games in the forward line (2 seasons).

The fact the coach pumped him up to the commentators pre game speaks volumes, this was his easiest game since his pre-draft year and he was always going to play loose.

Dwayne and co ate it up like good Geelong boys and were rewarded with a fine performance, but the script was written Thursday night after teams were announced.

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[Vader]

Maybe we were the only club to rate McAsey over De Koning? Its not like he was rated as a generational kpd.

We weren't. They all did.

 

[Sanders]

We weren't. They all did.

How the **** would you know this?

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Who can we target as our next forward? Need to identify a player on the cusp but behind an established forward? Like the sun's with Chol did.

Perhaps Neale at Geelong? Sproule or Riccardi from GWS? Fullarton and McStay from the Lions? Amarty at the swans? Personally I like Amarty most.

Let's face it, our club has been a joke at developing forwards throughout its history. Even Tex, as much as I love him and cherish his time at the club, has underperformed IMO. He kicked over 100 goals in 30 or so games as a teenager in the SANFL. To not reach 600 in his AFL career would be disappointing. Was his development stifled when he came to us?

Our leading goal kickers list is littered with players we traded in. We can't develop them ourselves.

Betts is 3rd on our all time list. Jenkins 4th. Welsh 7th. Jarman 8th. Tommy Lynch 10th. All traded in, we didn't develop them from kids. 5 of our top 10 goal kickers of all time.

9 of our top 20 goal kickers of all time are midfielders. This shows our forwards are not career crows. Tex is the only full time forward we have had to reach 150 games... I think Ian Perrie and Robran the only other 2 with over 100 games.

Fog and berg aren't looking like making it although fog showed some glimpses today but history shows it will be followed by 5 disappointing games.

I'd love to see Murray thrown forward with Thilthorpe, and hope the club is looking at possible trade options.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

This is pretty much spot on

Thing is back in 2017 we had an open, fast ball movement game style that disguised his limitations and emphasised his talents. He could extract, pass it off and others would zoom zoom the ball all over the park - his slow, indecisive decision making was compensated by other players and style.

In a lot of ways he was first cog in a very fast engine. Now we don’t have anything to plug him into, and without that very specific approach to playing he’s a liability.

It’s not so much where has 2017 Crouch gone, as it is where has the team and game plan around him gone?

He’s no good except in a certain type of team that very specifically plays to his strengths.

And that team was flawed and isn’t coming back even if we wanted it too. No cattle and different coaching

That’s partially true, but I think his Hands inside the pack use to be a lot cleaner, and his decision making sharper.
His kicking was always limited but he was able to hit clean short passes and play within his limitations.

All the positive aspects of his game have disappeared.

Even his late season form in 2020 was better than it is now.

 

[Scorpus]

Who can we target as our next forward? Need to identify a player on the cusp but behind an established forward? Like the sun's with Chol did.

Perhaps Neale at Geelong? Sproule or Riccardi from GWS? Fullarton and McStay from the Lions? Amarty at the swans? Personally I like Amarty most.

Let's face it, our club has been a joke at developing forwards throughout its history. Even Tex, as much as I love him and cherish his time at the club, has underperformed IMO. He kicked over 100 goals in 30 or so games as a teenager in the SANFL. To not reach 600 in his AFL career would be disappointing. Was his development stifled when he came to us?

Our leading goal kickers list is littered with players we traded in. We can't develop them ourselves.

Betts is 3rd on our all time list. Jenkins 4th. Welsh 7th. Jarman 8th. Tommy Lynch 10th. All traded in, we didn't develop them from kids. 5 of our top 10 goal kickers of all time.

9 of our top 20 goal kickers of all time are midfielders. This shows our forwards are not career crows. Tex is the only full time forward we have had to reach 150 games... I think Ian Perrie and Robran the only other 2 with over 100 games.

Fog and berg aren't looking like making it although fog showed some glimpses today but history shows it will be followed by 5 disappointing games.

I'd love to see Murray thrown forward with Thilthorpe, and hope the club is looking at possible trade options.

Tex would have reached 600 if he didn't miss a year due to his ACL. Probably would have kicked 60 that year

 

[latinoheat]

Who can we target as our next forward? Need to identify a player on the cusp but behind an established forward? Like the sun's with Chol did.

Perhaps Neale at Geelong? Sproule or Riccardi from GWS? Fullarton and McStay from the Lions? Amarty at the swans? Personally I like Amarty most.

Let's face it, our club has been a joke at developing forwards throughout its history. Even Tex, as much as I love him and cherish his time at the club, has underperformed IMO. He kicked over 100 goals in 30 or so games as a teenager in the SANFL. To not reach 600 in his AFL career would be disappointing. Was his development stifled when he came to us?

Our leading goal kickers list is littered with players we traded in. We can't develop them ourselves.

Betts is 3rd on our all time list. Jenkins 4th. Welsh 7th. Jarman 8th. Tommy Lynch 10th. All traded in, we didn't develop them from kids. 5 of our top 10 goal kickers of all time.

9 of our top 20 goal kickers of all time are midfielders. This shows our forwards are not career crows. Tex is the only full time forward we have had to reach 150 games... I think Ian Perrie and Robran the only other 2 with over 100 games.

Fog and berg aren't looking like making it although fog showed some glimpses today but history shows it will be followed by 5 disappointing games.

I'd love to see Murray thrown forward with Thilthorpe, and hope the club is looking at possible trade options.

Good post.

I’d like to see Murray tried up forward too. The way we bomb it long we need someone who can contest in the air and that’s something he does well.

And I’d bring McAsey or Worrell in to play down Back.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Good post.

I’d like to see Murray tried up forward too. The way we bomb it long we need someone who can contest in the air and that’s something he does well.

And I’d bring McAsey or Worrell in to play down Back.

Murray attacks the ball in a way that if he doesn't mark it, be sure as hell it will get to ground where any one of our 16 short people could rove it.

 

[George CantStandYa]

How the duck would you know this?

It’s a Vader fact.

He can’t possibly where the other recruiters rated him and as someone else mentioned, he’s slow and lacked agility. Recruiters would have seen that and queried how it would translate to the AFL and now we’ve seen it doesn’t even translate to the SANFL.

I was at the sanfl last night, he was near his opponent who wasn’t quick but easily got to the ball ahead of him and Fish couldn’t even get close enough to get a hand on him.

 

[Danger in Texas]

It’s a Vader fact.

He can’t possibly where the other recruiters rated him and as someone else mentioned, he’s slow and lacked agility. Recruiters would have seen that and queried how it would translate to the AFL and now we’ve seen it doesn’t even translate to the SANFL.

I was at the sanfl last night, he was near his opponent who wasn’t quick but easily got to the ball ahead of him and Fish couldn’t even get close enough to get a hand on him.

I mean, it’s literally impossible to know either way, as a supporter. Vader doesn’t know, neither do you and I

What we do know is that McAsey isn’t close to the player we thought he was. Looking like the biggest pick blunder out of a series of them

 

[George CantStandYa]

I mean, it’s literally impossible to know either way, as a supporter. Vader doesn’t know, neither do you and I

What we do know is that McAsey isn’t close to the player we thought he was. Looking like the biggest pick blunder out of a series of them

Only one of us is making the statement and speaking on behalf of every single one of the other 17 recruiters.

I saw that trial games against Port at Thebby and the first thing that stood out was how slow he was, that didn’t happen overnight.

 

[Sanders]

That’s partially true, but I think his Hands inside the pack use to be a lot cleaner, and his decision making sharper.
His kicking was always limited but he was able to hit clean short passes and play within his limitations.

All the positive aspects of his game have disappeared.

Even his late season form in 2020 was better than it is now.

I think it’s very possible, even likely that he is a slightly less good version of his old self, but our old machine covered up a lot of his faults.

He’s in a different vehicle and he’s got nothing to offer, like a carburettor in an electric car

 

[Sanders]

It’s a Vader fact.

He can’t possibly where the other recruiters rated him and as someone else mentioned, he’s slow and lacked agility. Recruiters would have seen that and queried how it would translate to the AFL and now we’ve seen it doesn’t even translate to the SANFL.

I was at the sanfl last night, he was near his opponent who wasn’t quick but easily got to the ball ahead of him and Fish couldn’t even get close enough to get a hand on him.

I don’t know where others specifically rated him, neither does anyone else

Only this guy thinks he does

 

[jackster83]

I mean, it’s literally impossible to know either way, as a supporter. Vader doesn’t know, neither do you and I

What we do know is that McAsey isn’t close to the player we thought he was. Looking like the biggest pick blunder out of a series of them

Considering we need list spots, we should consider paying out his contract at the end of the year.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Tex would have reached 600 if he didn't miss a year due to his ACL. Probably would have kicked 60 that year

Also lost 2 years or so of quality unrestricted footy with his foot problems (which was caused by the morons in charge).. which is what caused his form to dip and not kick as many goals those years.

 

[1991firstgamer]

This year will obviously be another ckeanout year . Have heard lukocius will be an in .

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[beagle2]

Hard to have a clear out this year . Too many are contracted

 

[morris086]

Who can we target as our next forward? Need to identify a player on the cusp but behind an established forward? Like the sun's with Chol did.

Perhaps Neale at Geelong? Sproule or Riccardi from GWS? Fullarton and McStay from the Lions? Amarty at the swans? Personally I like Amarty most.

Let's face it, our club has been a joke at developing forwards throughout its history. Even Tex, as much as I love him and cherish his time at the club, has underperformed IMO. He kicked over 100 goals in 30 or so games as a teenager in the SANFL. To not reach 600 in his AFL career would be disappointing. Was his development stifled when he came to us?

Our leading goal kickers list is littered with players we traded in. We can't develop them ourselves.

Betts is 3rd on our all time list. Jenkins 4th. Welsh 7th. Jarman 8th. Tommy Lynch 10th. All traded in, we didn't develop them from kids. 5 of our top 10 goal kickers of all time.

9 of our top 20 goal kickers of all time are midfielders. This shows our forwards are not career crows. Tex is the only full time forward we have had to reach 150 games... I think Ian Perrie and Robran the only other 2 with over 100 games.

Fog and berg aren't looking like making it although fog showed some glimpses today but history shows it will be followed by 5 disappointing games.

I'd love to see Murray thrown forward with Thilthorpe, and hope the club is looking at possible trade options.

Ive liked the small amount Ive seen of Amartey, handy chop out ruck too. Someone on here said a year or two ago that we had interest in Riccardi. Mcstay allegedly has offers up to 5 years and around $600k which is too pricy for me.

 

[Crow till I die]

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Who can we target as our next forward? Need to identify a player on the cusp but behind an established forward? Like the sun's with Chol did.

Perhaps Neale at Geelong? Sproule or Riccardi from GWS? Fullarton and McStay from the Lions? Amarty at the swans? Personally I like Amarty most.

Let's face it, our club has been a joke at developing forwards throughout its history. Even Tex, as much as I love him and cherish his time at the club, has underperformed IMO. He kicked over 100 goals in 30 or so games as a teenager in the SANFL. To not reach 600 in his AFL career would be disappointing. Was his development stifled when he came to us?

Our leading goal kickers list is littered with players we traded in. We can't develop them ourselves.

Betts is 3rd on our all time list. Jenkins 4th. Welsh 7th. Jarman 8th. Tommy Lynch 10th. All traded in, we didn't develop them from kids. 5 of our top 10 goal kickers of all time.

9 of our top 20 goal kickers of all time are midfielders. This shows our forwards are not career crows. Tex is the only full time forward we have had to reach 150 games... I think Ian Perrie and Robran the only other 2 with over 100 games.

Fog and berg aren't looking like making it although fog showed some glimpses today but history shows it will be followed by 5 disappointing games.

I'd love to see Murray thrown forward with Thilthorpe, and hope the club is looking at possible trade options.

Modra..but that does go back a long way

 

[1991firstgamer]

So posters in the know. Who do we take at pick 3/4 . ?

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[Crow till I die]

I mean, it’s literally impossible to know either way, as a supporter. Vader doesn’t know, neither do you and I

What we do know is that McAsey isn’t close to the player we thought he was. Looking like the biggest pick blunder out of a series of them

In his draft year iirc it was shallow in terms of good key forwards so there was always a question mark as he never had to stand a max king for example. We gambled as it was hoped he would be the replacement for talia.

 

[Crow till I die]

So posters in the know. Who do we take at pick 3/4 . ?

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Check out the draft boards to see who the top mids are. Wardlaw, tsatsas, D'aloia are a few of the higher rated ones. If we finish bottom 3 we shoukd get a good one

 

[Crow till I die]

This year will obviously be another ckeanout year . Have heard lukocius will be an in .

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Can you elaborate on this?