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List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread
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2017 - Callum Twomey's 2017 Phantom Draft Fog picked to go at 4
2018 - Callum Twomey's 2018 Phantom Draft Jones predicted to go at 14
2019 - Cal Twomey's 2019 Phantom Draft: Top 30, your club's whispers Predicted to take Fish at 6. Worrell predicted to go 19 (28), Shoenberg 25 (24)
2020 - Cal Twomey's 2020 Phantom Draft: Top 30, late picks, your club's whispers Thilthorpe taken 2 predicted 2. Cook predicted 14 (25), Pedlar 24 (11)
These guys are all taken around the mark predicted so development would seem to be a bigger issue?
2018 - Callum Twomey's 2018 Phantom Draft Jones predicted to go at 14
2019 - Cal Twomey's 2019 Phantom Draft: Top 30, your club's whispers Predicted to take Fish at 6. Worrell predicted to go 19 (28), Shoenberg 25 (24)
2020 - Cal Twomey's 2020 Phantom Draft: Top 30, late picks, your club's whispers Thilthorpe taken 2 predicted 2. Cook predicted 14 (25), Pedlar 24 (11)
These guys are all taken around the mark predicted so development would seem to be a bigger issue?
I think Fish was a reach. Predicted at 6 likely because information got out he was pretty much locked in for us.
But otherwise yes development is a big issue.
Whether they were the right selections to use in the first round is another discussion.
I tend to agree on, problem with that draft is. Say we identify we need a KPD that year from what I can tell it's only SDK or Fish. SDK has come on really well this year but that's only this year... Our development of Fish (swinging him back and forward) has been average. I think there are a multitude of factors involved with our current list shape, some to do with previous management (coach, fitness, football manger, CEO) some to do with bad list management (assume it probably falls to previous foobtall/list managers although on Reid too)
I am all for getting rid of Reid & Hamish IF we have reviewed what decisions were made were their fault
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Very likely development is an issue but I would note Twomey has links to the clubs so his phantom is a prediction of what's going to happen rather than his own talent ranking. If that makes sense. It doesn't necessary reflect whether a pick is a reach or not.
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You draft for talent, not for need, especially in the top end of the draft. If you're lucky you can get both, but look at how going need with Gallucci worked out.
How many HBF, inside mids that can't use the ball and 3rd tall defenders do we need though?
It's the Suns
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Maybe the issue is not picking the best avaliable midfielders with our first round pick.
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Fog predicted to go at pick 4 by Twomey who got it wrong and he slid all the way to 12 and us, why?
Jones, we were predicted to go Caldwell at 10, instead we went Jones. 4 picks earlier and made him a top 10 pick.
Fish, only club who showed any interest besides us was Fish. No mention if he slid would another club grab him.
2020, no issue with our picks but Pedlar at pick 11 needs to get fit and if he doesn't produce you'd have to question why we went so early.
But in a nutshell, all you have produced is one guys opinions on where they might go and in the examples you've provided, they don't support picking them when we did.
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I thought Dylan Stephens was more of a reach at the time
Fisher had just won the vic metro MVP over some handy ones
I was floating a suggestion that development could be just as much / more of an issue than recruiting. You have decided to be judge jury & executioner. You are very fixated on us drafting the wrong players which is a pretty simplistic view. The above list shows some players we picked were predicted to go before & some were predicted to go after. The key thing with this is it was done at the time not years after with the ability to see how the players look years after being drafted.
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Ditts has aparently has also said it the Suns after Tex..
They can have him..
Straight swap for Luko and Rankine thanks!..
Cant see Tex turning his whole life upside down, with the young family he has, just to get another year of football in..
For two years he might.
I hope the crows trade McAdam. Best form of his career, but is 27 now.
Are we anywhere near pushing for a flag? No.
When we are he will likely be 31-32 and our "push" would result in needing to replace him if we make it that far.
Get value out of him whilst he's having this career year.
Are we anywhere near pushing for a flag? No.
When we are he will likely be 31-32 and our "push" would result in needing to replace him if we make it that far.
Get value out of him whilst he's having this career year.
I reckon he will be at least 45 yo when we are next pushing for the flag
It’s a hard one as we need some decent experienced players but you’re right , he may never be worth more at trade table than this year
I think we need to work on getting as many of our youth together to peak at 26-27. It's what generally wins flags.
Yep we have plenty that will peak then if they last on the list for long enough
I’d only trade McAdam if we got a deal too good to refuse and had a plan to get a certain player we like at the pick
What is a deal too good to refuse for McAdam is next question ?
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I throw the term cargo-cult around a lot here. But this is almost the definition of it.
Anything in the top 25 I'd say.
Yep I’d have to do it for that too
Also very happy to keep him if can’t get that for him
You'd want to look at power rankings (see drafts and trading borad), draft watchers list best available predictions. Phantoms are predictions using intel. McAsey wouldnt be top 6 on any power rankings
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but then why did he sign a contract extension? - he could have bided his time and got out at the end of last year
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