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List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

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Smart Fella said:
I guess people are struggling to identify traits in him that could be useful in AFL. I think he is a KPD (good enough KPF at SANFL level) but the club has pushed him forward to make room for Frampton and Borlase which is concerning.

Strong chance if the club can get a half decent draft pick, they'll cut their losses. I want him to succeed as much as the next person but a genuine question to you, what makes you think he could make it?

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I'll admist I haven't seen him every week at sanfl level, but his hands are very good and he seems to get to good positions.

I think the big issue is he's not strong enough and doesn't have the confidence to really make an impact on every contest.

Get him some strength in the legs so he can stand up in contests and not fall to ground as much, and be in the game more, like Fog has started doing.
 
Peter Doherty said:
Picks are flying around like crazy these days, another 2nd rounder in the mix helps.
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If we are giving up on a KPP we took at 6 2 years ago for a nd rd pick to get Michalaney, he'd want to be good. I assume he'll be going rd 1 hence why we need another 2nd pick??
 
Thetrader15 said:
If we are giving up on a KPP we took at 6 2 years ago for a nd rd pick to get Michalaney, he'd want to be good. I assume he'll be going rd 1 hence why we need another 2nd pick??
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We aren’t giving up on McAsey to get Michaelaney, we are just giving up on McAsey. As for what we used to get him, well that’s a different story.
 

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Thetrader15 said:
If we are giving up on a KPP we took at 6 2 years ago for a nd rd pick to get Michalaney, he'd want to be good. I assume he'll be going rd 1 hence why we need another 2nd pick??
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McAsey was drafted in 2019 so he has had 3years. I think we need forget at what pick we took McAsey. Clearly he wasn't worth anywhere near 6 and once the player is into the club it doesn't matter if they are pick 6 or 80. They need to perform and they can't be shown any favour due to a mistake from the recruiter.
 
Thetrader15 said:
I'll admist I haven't seen him every week at sanfl level, but his hands are very good and he seems to get to good positions.

I think the big issue is he's not strong enough and doesn't have the confidence to really make an impact on every contest.

Get him some strength in the legs so he can stand up in contests and not fall to ground as much, and be in the game more, like Fog has started doing.
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I think your analysis is spot on.
His biggest issue is that he hasn't shown any improvement over the 3 years he has been on our list.
It doesn't look like he has the confidence or more importantly, the desire and competitiveness to work through those issues
 
A guy who has been in the system for three years and is struggling against undersized part timers in the SANFL is not going to attract much in a trade.

Looks to have no AFL attributes. If we get anything for him it will be a bonus on what he's really worth.

I want the club to do everything possible to recruit quality players NOW, be creative with players in contract and draft picks this years and next years. We need to strike now!
 
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Thetrader15 said:
Wow, some people here have really given up on McAsey early. What happened to young KPPs taking longer to develop?

Haven't we learnt from Marshall and Fogarty this year?
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There are very few top 6 drafted players that have played as few games as McAsey has in their first three seasons. And all of those players were busts
 
Thetrader15 said:
If we are giving up on a KPP we took at 6 2 years ago for a nd rd pick to get Michalaney, he'd want to be good. I assume he'll be going rd 1 hence why we need another 2nd pick??
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Whilst it is fun trying to guess exactly how each trade goes down, it's impossible to know.

I'm not saying specifically a McAsey pick goes towards Rankine or Michalanney or JHF for that matter.

It's not about not rating McAsey at all, it's about giving up something to build an arsenal of picks to land the players we want (including Rankine and Michalanney).

Frampton, Himmelberg and Crouch will get us no picks with points attached to them.
 
I'll extend it further to the entire top 10, every player taken since 2000

Fischer McAsey (10 games in first three years)
Aaron Francis (10)
Jarrod Pickett (10)
Matt Scharenberg (4)
Mitch Thorp (2)
Scott Gumbleton (5)
Beau Dowler (3)
Tim Walsh (1)
Laurence Angwin (4)
Paul Ahern (0)
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (9)
John Meesen (2)
David Trotter (5)
Hamish McIntosh (1)
Ben Reid (8)
Luke Molan (0)
Nathan Freeman (0)
Ryley Dunn (4)

There's probably two players since 2000 taken in the top 10 that played as few games as Fischer in their first three years that would go on to make it

Some players that played more games than McAsey early include such epic players as Daniel Gorringe, John Butcher, Billy Longer, Jono O'Rourke, Liam Sumner, Josh Schache, Luke Brennan
 
Scorpus said:
I'll extend it further to the entire top 10, every player taken since 2000

Fischer McAsey (10 games in first three years)
Aaron Francis (10)
Jarrod Pickett (10)
Matt Scharenberg (4)
Mitch Thorp (2)
Scott Gumbleton (5)
Beau Dowler (3)
Tim Walsh (1)
Laurence Angwin (4)
Paul Ahern (0)
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (9)
John Meesen (2)
David Trotter (5)
Hamish McIntosh (1)
Ben Reid (8)
Luke Molan (0)
Nathan Freeman (0)
Ryley Dunn (4)

There's probably two players since 2000 taken in the top 10 that played as few games as Fischer in their first three years that would go on to make it

Some players that played more games than McAsey early include such epic players as Daniel Gorringe, John Butcher, Billy Longer, Jono O'Rourke, Liam Sumner, Josh Schache, Luke Brennan
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Of course there is at least one KPD in this timeframe who was picked well outside the Top 10 who played zero games in his first 3 years on an AFL list (2 rookie then upgraded to the seniors for the 3rd year) - he has since gone on to play 163 games and is a 4x All-Australian - Jeremy McGovern.

But your point is well made, just about anyone who has ever made it establishes themselves in the 1st team by their 3rd season on the list - even if not yet a star.
 
Who is better than McAsey in this year's draft? If Butts or Murray went down we have Frampton and not much else.

The club should be focused on raiding the cluster that is Essendon and Norf. Tarryn Thomas, Archie Perkins, Ben Hobbs would be nice additions
 

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TThomas, JHF, Rankine and Newchurch.

Hope there is some extra room in the soft cap..
 
SellarStardom said:
Who is better than McAsey in this year's draft? If Butts or Murray went down we have Frampton and not much else.

The club should be focused on raiding the cluster that is Essendon and Norf. Tarryn Thomas, Archie Perkins, Ben Hobbs would be nice additions
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If those blokes were on the table they would have every other Melbourne team bending over backwards to get them.

Without some sort of link to SA we have no chance.
 
SellarStardom said:
Who is better than McAsey in this year's draft? If Butts or Murray went down we have Frampton and not much else.

The club should be focused on raiding the cluster that is Essendon and Norf. Tarryn Thomas, Archie Perkins, Ben Hobbs would be nice additions
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Frampton and Borlase are preferred down back by the club, so what makes you think McAsey is the answer if Butts or Murray go down?
 
George Kramer said:
Frampton and Borlase are preferred down back by the club, so what makes you think McAsey is the answer if Butts or Murray go down?
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SEN radio fodder but for what it’s worth

So what’s Fischer McAsey worth as a trade ?

Korn. “early third rounder”
Hayes. “late third rounder, anything really”
 
Scorpus said:
I'll extend it further to the entire top 10, every player taken since 2000

Fischer McAsey (10 games in first three years)
Aaron Francis (10)
Jarrod Pickett (10)
Matt Scharenberg (4)
Mitch Thorp (2)
Scott Gumbleton (5)
Beau Dowler (3)
Tim Walsh (1)
Laurence Angwin (4)
Paul Ahern (0)
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (9)
John Meesen (2)
David Trotter (5)
Hamish McIntosh (1)
Ben Reid (8)
Luke Molan (0)
Nathan Freeman (0)
Ryley Dunn (4)

There's probably two players since 2000 taken in the top 10 that played as few games as Fischer in their first three years that would go on to make it

Some players that played more games than McAsey early include such epic players as Daniel Gorringe, John Butcher, Billy Longer, Jono O'Rourke, Liam Sumner, Josh Schache, Luke Brennan
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Good info but the name Angwin should be blocked on here, it still causes too much pain.
And another reason senior coaches should coach and not recruit.
 

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glengowan said:
So what are we getting?

McAsey 3rd Rounder > Carlton
Rowe 3rd Rounder > Bulldogs
Sholl 3rd Rounder > Carlton
Crouch 3rd Rounder > North Melb
Frampton 4th Rounder > Collingwood

Does that build us up to enough points to entice Brisbane to trade their 1st Rounder to us?
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Brisbane will also have a start of 2nd round pick for McStay, they will be looking to move that pick out as well.
 
CROW in BALI said:
SEN radio fodder but for what it’s worth

So what’s Fischer McAsey worth as a trade ?

Korn. “early third rounder”
Hayes. “late third rounder, anything really”
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Then why trade him? Pick 62 from Carlton, 120 points? No thanks.

I bought 1000 shares at $1 each, the price drops to $0.02 each. Should I sell them so I can recoup the $20 or should I just ride out the storm and see if the value rises next year?

Especially if I don't need the $2 as I have plenty of spare cash (i.e. cap space).
 
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glengowan said:
So what are we getting?

McAsey 3rd Rounder > Carlton
Rowe 3rd Rounder > Bulldogs
Sholl 3rd Rounder > Carlton
Crouch 3rd Rounder > North Melb
Frampton 4th Rounder > Collingwood

Does that build us up to enough points to entice Brisbane to trade their 1st Rounder to us?
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Wow, pick 14 would want to be a good player!
 
glengowan said:
So what are we getting?

McAsey 3rd Rounder > Carlton
Rowe 3rd Rounder > Bulldogs
Sholl 3rd Rounder > Carlton
Crouch 3rd Rounder > North Melb
Frampton 4th Rounder > Collingwood

Does that build us up to enough points to entice Brisbane to trade their 1st Rounder to us?
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So hard to tell at this point because 4/5 trades you've suggested, those clubs do not currently hold those picks. Everyone's draft hands will change dramatically, so maybe they do end up with thise picks.

The one club that does is Bulldogs with a 3rd for Rowe, and that pick is North's so it's a start of 3rd round pick (37).

Carlton will likely get a 3rd for Jones as band 5 compensation.
 
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