List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[DJ75]

In all seriousness, whilst I do value trying to communicate well, I think AFL people who communicate like this are showing a weakness.

Innovation tends to come from people willing to, to a degree, go their own way. People who go with the latest communication language trendiness and groupthink indicate, to me at least, they'll be a lot less likely to be innovators.

I 100% agree. As soon as I hear this corporate garbage come out of a prospective employees mouth, they are gone.
If that's what they have to offer, I don't need it.

 

[spenze]

No he activated ancillary mid-career learning opportunities to drive maximum synergy creation.

I could not like this enough, pure gold

 

[GameofSloanes]

There's being complete in terms of players, and being complete in terms of the development of those players. Remember that very few of our players have yet reached 50 games. The players themselves are very much a work in progress, not just the playing list as a whole.

Excellent point

 

[Ramify]

There seems to be a lot of excitement based on Turners game in the SANFL which Wigg dominated and Young just won the Margery. Knight has been dominating last couple of years and Wilson for longer. Moore has been a solid SANFL mid.

Looking at the form of middle aged SANFL midfielders and thinking that form will translate to the AFL is highly optimistic and borderline delusional.

Besides where he sits in the grand scheme of things, what are the knocks on his game?

From the little I've seen of him he looks to have quite a decent leg(better than a lot om our list), reads the ball wall from stoppage and works through traffic well.
So is he slow, poor under pressure etc?

From all I'd read on here I was expecting far worse than what my eyes were telling me,so I'm curious if it's just that he hasn't been selected in the senior side yet, he's been crap in every game other than the 2-3 I've seen, or that he just has major glaring deficiencies that mean he will never be an AFL player?

 

[George CantStandYa]

Besides where he sits in the grand scheme of things, what are the knocks on his game?

From the little I've seen of him he looks to have quite a decent leg(better than a lot om our list), reads the ball wall from stoppage and works through traffic well.
So is he slow, poor under pressure etc?

From all I'd read on here I was expecting far worse than what my eyes were telling me,so I'm curious if it's just that he hasn't been selected in the senior side yet, he's been crap in every game other than the 2-3 I've seen, or that he just has major glaring deficiencies that mean he will never be an AFL player?

It’s fair to say he’s been underwhelming on his games for us apart from the 2-3 including the weekend when he was very good.

My point is the form of middle aged mids in the SANFL is meaningless when assessing whether they will make AFL footballers and have current examples.

I would have preferred we identified a young talent and went that route rather than be seduced by some good SANFL games.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

My point is the form of middle aged mids in the SANFL is meaningless when assessing whether they will make AFL footballers and have current examples.

I would have preferred we identified a young talent and went that route rather than be seduced by some good SANFL games

If we lose a 27 YO Crouch and question marks on a 30+ Sloane .....doesn't it make sense to have another mature midfielder like Turner at the ready

I can understand the logic in the thinking

 

[Skippos]

Skippos Jeffcrowe ......doesn't appear SAINTS are concerned enough to lock Hunter Clark away longterm

YOUNG SAINT ON CLUB RADARS​

ST KILDA midfielder Hunter Clark is expected to be a trade target of clubs this off-season despite having a year to run on his contract at the club.

Clark is signed to the Saints until the end of 2023 but has battled an injury-hit past two seasons, playing eight games this year and 13 last season.

His 2021 campaign was interrupted with a broken jaw that came after he was on the end of a contentious bump from Adelaide's David Mackay, while this season he suffered a shoulder injury in the pre-season and then a broken nose mid-year after a heavy clash in round 16.

I don't see any evidence here that it's St Kilda who want to trade him and not Hunter himself looking.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I don't see any evidence here that it's St Kilda who want to trade him and not Hunter himself looking.

The question is ....why would Hunter Clark be looking for a trade ? ....and why hasn't St Kilda locked him away, past 2023

 

[George CantStandYa]

If we lose a 27 YO Crouch and question marks on a 30+ Sloane .....doesn't it make sense to have another mature midfielder like Turner at the ready

I can understand the logic in the thinking

Crouch and Sloane were in effect a non-event for the last part of the season and Sloane for longer.

We’ve got a plethora of young mids we need to develop and we shouldn’t waste their development time by being safe.

Berry showed he can step up and is an AFL quality mid. Soligo is going to be a gun mid. Hately can play as an inside mid and then there’s Taylor and Pedlar we need to get in there. Rankine and Rachelle need midfield minutes.

 

[George CantStandYa]

The question is ....why would Hunter Clark be looking for a trade ? ....and why hasn't St Kilda locked him away, past 2023

Past 2023? There would be plenty of players with only one year on their contract, he’s not out of contract now.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Crouch and Sloane were in effect a non-event for the last part of the season and Sloane for longer.

We’ve got a plethora of young mids we need to develop and we shouldn’t waste their development time by being safe.

Berry showed he can step up and is an AFL quality mid. Soligo is going to be a gun mid. Hately can play as an inside mid and then there’s Taylor and Pedlar we need to get in there. Rankine and Rachelle need midfield minutes.

They're still young and inexperienced .....still need to have some experience in the side ...albeit mental & physical

So is what Clarko proposing at NORTH wrong ? .....adding another 2-3 experienced players ....when 2 years ago NORTH's strategy was to cut super deep and play just kids

 

[jackster83]

Don't want to give away too much 2023 draft capital when we will likely have a fair turnover of players.

Sloane, Seedsman, Brown and potentially Tex retiring.
McPherson, McAsey and Crouch delisted.
Doedee possibly leaving as a FA.
Worrell, Sholl and Strachan possibly looking for more gametime.

We don't want to be heading into that draft with 8-9 list spots free and only a small draft hand.

We really should be moving several of these guys on now.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Past 2023? There would be plenty of players with only one year on their contract, he’s not out of contract now.

My argument is Hunter Clark is not a star player many believe he is .....clubs don't let star players go into their final contract year, without attempting to lock em in

 

[jackster83]

My argument is Hunter Clark is not a star player many believe he is .....clubs don't let star players go into their final contract year, without attempting to lock em in

We haven't locked in Fog or Doedee either. Just sayin'.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

We haven't locked in Fog or Doedee either. Just sayin'.

Fair point !!

 

[Mutineer]

The question is ....why would Hunter Clark be looking for a trade ? ....and why hasn't St Kilda locked him away, past 2023

LOL

AFL media tossing some names around and you take it as Hunter Clark looking for a trade....

 

[WaynesWorld19]

LOL

AFL media tossing some names around and you take it as Hunter Clark looking for a trade....

Hey ....it's boring time ....gotta discuss something

"Bring on Trade Radio" ........god, you know it's quiet when someone says this

 

[Scorpus]

If we lose a 27 YO Crouch and question marks on a 30+ Sloane .....doesn't it make sense to have another mature midfielder like Turner at the ready

...no?

We're not a finalist, we're not ready to challenge, having ready to go depth is pointless for our squad.

Every single list position needs to be on a player with a chance to form our next premiership team, with our goal to sort through which ones will/won't be in that side

 

[Vader]

Don't want to give away too much 2023 draft capital when we will likely have a fair turnover of players.

Sloane, Seedsman, Brown and potentially Tex retiring.
McPherson, McAsey and Crouch delisted.
Doedee possibly leaving as a FA.
Worrell, Sholl and Strachan possibly looking for more gametime.

We don't want to be heading into that draft with 8-9 list spots free and only a small draft hand.

We really should be moving several of these guys on now.

There's a reasonably chance that several of those players will exit in 2022, reducing the stress on 2023 draft capital.

• Seedsman will either retire outright, or be given the Gibbs treatment (moved to rookie list, then inactive list), allowing us to select his replacement via the PSSP (as we previously did with Nick Murray).
• Crouch appears to be searching desperately for a new dance partner, though the market for slow inside accumulators with zero actual game impact is extremely limited. I can't see the club standing in his way, if he can find a club stupid enough to take him - CEY went to Brisbane, Atkins to GC, Frampton is going to Collingwood, so anything is theoretically possible.
• Sholl has apparently been linked with a trade to Carlton.

 

[spenze]

Good, means we can sell high

We should and target a FA next year

 

[Bearded Clam]

If we lose a 27 YO Crouch and question marks on a 30+ Sloane .....doesn't it make sense to have another mature midfielder like Turner at the ready

I can understand the logic in the thinking

I’m hoping Taylor and Pedlar are right in the mix for R1 next season.

One of those guys can knock Keays back down to the SANFL..

The Batten needs to be passed down now.. Laird and Berry can be the senior mids.. throw Rankine in the mix.

Cant see Sloane being a R1 lock. Surely at his age and coming off a knee he will need to come back through the SANFL.

If Mcrouch doesnt get traded I’d be hoping he’s SANFL bound for the entire year.

Fxxk it would be funny R1 of the SANFL next year..

Midfield of Keays, Sloane, Mcrouch, Turner.. surrounded by, mentoring, coaching and guiding our youth..

Would destroy most SANFL midfields.

 

[refused_]

Cant see Sloane being a R1 lock. Surely at his age and coming off a knee he will need to come back through the SANFL.

We all know Sloane will be a lock for Round 1 first CBA. Even if he was unable to stand...

 

[Dangerousfield]

We haven't locked in Fog or Doedee either. Just sayin'.

Fog will just sign when needed.

Doedee is tradable for the right deal so no need to recontract if that is in the back of our mind.

Quite a number of 6 and 7 year contracts being signed by KEY players at other clubs in the last few weeks

 

[Bearded Clam]

We all know Sloane will be a lock for Round 1 first CBA. Even if he was unable to stand...

I know… I’m trying my best to will the “sloane back via the sanfl” over the line..

Its a lost cause but I live in hope..



Que the Morgan freeman “hope is a dangerous thing” gif…

 

[ftmch]

I’m glad that’s what he said, they need to be applying some expectation on the coaching group and players.

He won’t have senior players to fall back on, Crouch should be gone which leaves only Brown as a possible so it’s not like Nicks can go to the senior player in leu of development.

Agreed. The honeymoon is well and truly over - we need to start placing some tangible expecations on the playing and coaching group.