List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread III

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[My Left Foote]

I was also wondering which clubs would be in the frame, need a decent combination of not too a far of a slide in this draft and also a reasonably safe bet for next year's future first.

-Best scenario the Hawks, almost guaranteed a top 3 pick next year, but like you said, unlikely they'd bite.
-* would be ok, only sliding one pick this year, another F1 would more than make up for that, but probably unlikely they'd give up their F1 for a one spot jump unless they were desperate.
-GC would be good, two spot drop for another F1, even if they improve, still likely to be top 10 next year, not sure they'd be keen, shame our blue and white stripes are vertical not horizontal!
-Saints are probably the only other one, as you said, they know the buy in, maybe they could try and move Clark to the Rookie list and we could Greenwood him!

Not sure we'd want to slide too much further this year and the F1s get progressively more likely to be outside the top 10 with other clubs. Gut feel is pretty unlikely we'll get a club desperate enough to make us an offer we can't refuse, so we'll probably take both our early picks, which certainly isn't a bad thing!

Damn forgot to use * for * shame on me. Hadn't thought about The Suns but you're right it seems like it's between them and the Saints. Agree, gut feel is it doesn't happen, more than happy to use picks 2 and 3.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Going through the delisted players list there isn't a great deal of talent there, but for a needs basis the following could appeal for a variety of reasons:

Ely Smith - Bris, young midfielder
Liam Stocker

14

Liam Stocker

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

- Carlton, young half back/mid.
Zane Williams - Geelong, small forward.
Jake Stein

42

Jake Stein

Age

31

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

4.4

5star

MG

101.2

2star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.4

5star

MG

101.2

2star

- GWS, Athletic key defender
Connor Downie - Hawthorn, hard running winger
Jackson Callow - Hawthorn, key forward

 

[My Left Foote]

So I'm a bit interested in the sentiment here that Brady Rawlings is a kind of infantile list manager, ready to give away the lollies to anyone who asks.

He's had two drafts to work with, his third coming up, having been prohibited by WC from participating in the 2019 draft (I assume his exclusion from that draft is why we traded out our first that year, so that Rawlings had more to work with in 2020).

As below, if you look at the 2020-21 drafts (incl. rookie and MSD), what you find is probably what you'd expect - it's a bit early to call. The 2020 rookie draft was a bust across the board, and Charlie Ham as the 2nd MSD is hard to understand too. On the other hand, shifting Polec to the rookie list was clearly sensible list management, and Dawson as the 2021 MSD made sense from a needs perspective. For the main drafts, there's no outright busts at the minute, except of course JHF but the compo is okay and you can't say Rawlings is to 'blame' for that situation.

Where there's valid criticism is the lack of structural balance - no KPF or KPP of any kind in the main drafts, only Edwards (more ruck forward than genuine KPF) and Dawson in the MSDs. So that's a possible line of genuine criticism - but it hasn't involved Brady "doing something stupid" with other clubs, which has been a pretty prominent theme in the last little while.

The assessment of Rawlings as a list manager will depend on the progress of Phillips, Powell, Goater, Bergman and Curtis, and to a lesser extent Edwards and Dawson, as well obviously as how we go this draft. Until then, I think we can ease up on the Rawlings as a whipping boy


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This is excellent. Brady certainly deserves more credit than the shit that he's copping.

How quickly we forget the Bryce Lewis / Cam Joyce era very conservative approach to trading players and overall some pretty underwhelming draft selections.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I'd be keeping an eye on a couple of players to see if they get delisted or not too. Looking purely for mature depth in the small forward position players like Sydney Stack

44

Sydney Stack

Age

25

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.7

5star

M

4.1

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

202.0

3star

D

9.8

2star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.4

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.8

4star

MG

133.0

2star

D

16.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

227.4

4star

or Ben Ronke

25

Ben Ronke

Age

28

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.7

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.7

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

13.2

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

5.2

5star

G

2.4

5star

could play a role in our side.

 

[Its a Process]

I'd be keeping an eye on a couple of players to see if they get delisted or not too. Looking purely for mature depth in the small forward position players like Sydney Stack or Ben Ronke could play a role in our side.

I'm sure this won't be popular but I don't mind Callum Brown as a pressure small forward to add depth to an are we are very light in, especially if Spicer and Mahony don't come on and are delisted at the end of the year.

 

[benbanjo]

Going through the delisted players list there isn't a great deal of talent there, but for a needs basis the following could appeal for a variety of reasons:

Ely Smith - Bris, young midfielder
Liam Stocker - Carlton, young half back/mid.
Zane Williams - Geelong, small forward.
Jake Stein - GWS, Athletic key defender
Connor Downie - Hawthorn, hard running winger
Jackson Callow - Hawthorn, key forward

The years we finish bottom we cant even use the PSD to our advantage.

 

[King Corey]

Oh I don't know as I use a program. So bench 12x 45kg, 10x 50 kg then 2x8x 55-60kg.
Then other chest exercises as well.

Currently 83kg's and my aim was only to get to 85kg, but I think I'm going to pass that. I will though see at some point how much I can lift in a single rep.

I am 54 fyi lol

That's very impressive. 60kg dumbells are pretty hard to get off the rack.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I'm sure this won't be popular but I don't mind Callum Brown as a pressure small forward to add depth to an are we are very light in, especially if Spicer and Mahony don't come on and are delisted at the end of the year.

I wouldn’t be against that, he has genuine goal sense and we don’t have any small forwards with speed.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

The years we finish bottom we cant even use the PSD to our advantage.

Don’t get access to the best kids because they are F/S or academy kids and we don’t get to use the PSD…


Booooooo!

 

[The Anvil]

And you don’t think he was involved……little birdie tells me he was all in.

I'm sure he was involved, but right now we can't openly say he is our coach from Nov 1.

So for a player that would give seeds of doubt when there is a decision to make.

 

[benbanjo]

Don’t get access to the best kids because they are F/S or academy kids and we don’t get to use the PSD…


Booooooo!

Yeah and Covid, so we can't analyze the talent properly. in the 2020 draft
We miss out on Ashcroft, Daicos as the best talent in the draft...

 

[The b shart]

Going through the delisted players list there isn't a great deal of talent there, but for a needs basis the following could appeal for a variety of reasons:

Ely Smith - Bris, young midfielder
Liam Stocker - Carlton, young half back/mid.
Zane Williams - Geelong, small forward.
Jake Stein - GWS, Athletic key defender
Connor Downie - Hawthorn, hard running winger
Jackson Callow - Hawthorn, key forward

Stein, stocker, downie and ronke are the only ones that would be of any interest

 

[roos 10]

Stein, stocker, downie and ronke are the only ones that would be of any interest

I think stocker and is it Williamson from the blues who played in our vfl this season maybe take both of them

 

[pipe dream]

Needs Lou Reed's Dirt and Stiff Little Fingers' I Don't Like You and about six songs off Feel the Darkness by Poison Idea.

there's 69 tracks currently, so I doubt there will be a single addition from here!

 

[benbanjo]

Let's be honest though we should all be blaming Carey for all his romping around he could have at least knocked up a few more birds and have a few father sons running around. Lazy prick.

 

[My Left Foote]

The best thing about Kingy is that he's 100% emotionally invested in the club. The worst thing about Kingy is he's 100% emotionally invested in the club.

He's not looking at this objectively far too emotional to be rational. At best our trade period was an A at worst a B-.

 

[benbanjo]

The best thing about Kingy is that he's 100% emotionally invested in the club. The worst thing about Kingy is he's 100% emotionally invested in the club. He's not looking at this objectively for too emotional to be rational. At best our trade period was an A at worst a B-.

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We had no babies in our team when King played, it's hard for him accept what's going on at the moment.

 

[Tiberius]

2,3,40,43 and cooper is 5 list places.
Leaving us two for DFA's and SPP period.
I hope we use the SPP. Having a few blokes train with us over the summer and compete for the last couple of list spots is excellent cover if we get a long term injury at some stage this summer.
I'm pretty happy with that outcome.

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the SPP? Sam Powell Pepper period?

 

[Shinboner1]

Going through the delisted players list there isn't a great deal of talent there, but for a needs basis the following could appeal for a variety of reasons:

Ely Smith - Bris, young midfielder
Liam Stocker - Carlton, young half back/mid.
Zane Williams - Geelong, small forward.
Jake Stein - GWS, Athletic key defender
Connor Downie - Hawthorn, hard running winger
Jackson Callow - Hawthorn, key forward

But callow was supposed to be a superstar...

 

[Shinboner1]

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the SPP? Sam Powell Pepper period?

Basically interchangeable with PSS. Something like the supplementary picking period. Basically the time after the draft where teams can pick up uncontracted players who've previously been on a list or were in the draft but not selected.

 

[The acurate one]

That's very impressive TAO, I know this is crossing over into the Health & Fitness thread but I'm pleased to hear you're looking after yourself.

Yeah cheers, I'm too vain to let myself go if I'm honest

oh well.

That's very impressive. 60kg dumbells are pretty hard to get off the rack.

Yes I wish and I see the 50kg ones and think crikey.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Why is there chatter from * supporters that BMAC will be joining them next year?



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Was this the guy on SEN this morning? I think that was some residue of them thinking they'd get Harry McKay and being a brain moran.

 

[Roo202]

And it starts.

Decent response on twitter, could well be from someone on here!

 

[My Left Foote]

Let's be honest though we should all be blaming Carey for all his romping around he could have at least knocked up a few more birds and have a few father sons running around. Lazy prick.

We don't have 900 list spots available.

 

[ArchKing Carey]

The best thing about Kingy is that he's 100% emotionally invested in the club. The worst thing about Kingy is he's 100% emotionally invested in the club.

He's not looking at this objectively far too emotional to be rational. At best our trade period was an A at worst a B-.

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I agree with your assessment. We got rid of a toxic element from our list. Sure we lost some value but JHF was going to be even less value next year through his unprofessionalism or potentially continue the sookie behaviour at Port and be a failure there. I.e. not going into a ice bath for 15 minutes isn't a North specific issue, it's an attitude issue.