List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

[Yawkey way]

Damn this is boring.

That’s not a bad thing when it’s st Kilda.

 

[Yawkey way]

Why can’t port trade both firsts?
Done too many over the last couple of years?

I’m pumped, this will get interesting now.

 

[Joffaboy]

We’re out looking for someone to support king which is exactly what Bruce would have done. Acres is simply a victim of Fremantle having cap problems with Jackson being offered stupid money. I’m not saying newnes or dunstan are the answer going forward as obviously they’re not just that they’d have played.

The idea is to move on when you have something better and to maximise the return on players you trade out, I’d argue we did neither so I sure as hell wouldn’t be crowing about it. You could argue that we might have won a couple of games we didn’t and made finals. Anyway what‘s done is done but people are going to keep biting back when poor trading imo is painted as a success.

I would argue that we got maximum for them considering what the industry now values them at.
Disingenuous to say Acres is a victim of the Jackson trade. If he was as vital to the team as people on here kept going on about, they would have kept him. 1 year on $180k to a home town boy is saying 'please leave. There is a problem with him big time.
Hope he gets it together, reckon he is a good player. The other three you mentioned make our team worse.

 

[BrutThough]

Why can’t port trade both firsts?
Done too many over the last couple of years?

They can. The asked if they could get an exemption to trade their future 2nd as well, which the AFL denied.

 

[FrogDude]

Why can’t port trade both firsts?
Done too many over the last couple of years?

They wanted to trade both firsts + extra future picks.
Clubs can't trade out other future picks if their future first is traded already (or part of the trade).

 

[Saint Shags]

They can. The asked if they could get an exemption to trade their future 2nd as well, which the AFL denied.

And yet other clubs have been able to bend the rules when it has come to trade future picks.

But that's what happens when you have a flimsy starting point.

 

[BrutThough]

And yet other clubs have been able to bend the rules when it has come to trade future picks.

But that's what happens when you have a flimsy starting point.

No team has got an exemption to trade both their future 1st and 2nd rounder before.

 

[Saint Shags]

No team has got an exemption to trade both their future 1st and 2nd rounder before.

No, but the rules on having used a 1st round pick in a certain amount of years has been.

There were some teams that kept trading out their first year after year and the AFL didn't stop them. It's a one rule for some and another for others.

The rules need to be precise and not open to change. You should have an opportunity to perhaps muddy the waters with special permission.

 

[busso_mick]

I understand premo, they were replaced by better players
King > Bruce
Naz > Newnes
Windy/Owens > Dunstan
Only one I would consider would be Acres but we lose nothing with DMAC/Wood on the wings and considering was playing well with Freo and they lowballed him, there is something going on with him.
Is it an attitude/ team rules issue? If there wasn't an issue Freo would have found a way to keep him
The others wouldn't get a game.

Re Acres, a few weeks back Matthew Pavlich talked about him not being a leader. He certainly had a good year playing wise, so something was not up to scratch behind the scenes.

 

[Highlander35]

We should tell Dunkley we'll take him in the PSD tbh

 

[Saint Kidding]

We should tell Dunkley we'll take him in the PSD tbh

What is the state of play in the PSD. I would think there would be a fair few clubs with picks prior to ours. Would it be possible to price them out of contention?

 

[Barrels]

If the JHF and Jackson trades get done I reckon it could look something like:
Bris - Ashcroft
North - Wardlaw
North - Sheezel
GWS - Cadman
Ess - Tsatas
GC - Basslinger
Hawks - Mattaes
Cats - Humphrey
WC - Jye Clark
Saints - McKenzie

I can see Norf taking Cadman in that scenario.

They desperately need a partner for Larkey.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Why drag me into this.
Half the soft-serves in here have me blocked anyway apparently

Talk about overrating yourself

 

[Gosaints12]

We should tell Dunkley we'll take him in the PSD tbh

And the Lions, let’s force their hand.


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[Highlander35]

What is the state of play in the PSD. I would think there would be a fair few clubs with picks prior to ours. Would it be possible to price them out of contention?

tl:dr Players set their contract requirements and clubs that take them are required to meet it.

Essendon would probably grab him before us if we went that route, but given Hawks, GWS and Gold Coast are trying to dump the only other East Coast team below us is North: I don't necessarily see that as a move they'd make but I could be wrong.

Honestly, I just want to throw a spanner in the works though.

 

[Saint Shags]

I can see Norf taking Cadman in that scenario.

They desperately need a partner for Larkey.

And that's why the Giants want to get a hold of Pick 1. They are after Cadman and realise that if North have 2 picks they'll miss out.

 

[magd2992]

Marginal now I’d say.

Marginal scum.

 

[gringo2011]

What’s in Middle Park for this Naïve Boy?

Crashed his car drunk there.

 

[gringo2011]

We’re out looking for someone to support king which is exactly what Bruce would have done. Acres is simply a victim of Fremantle having cap problems with Jackson being offered stupid money. I’m not saying newnes or dunstan are the answer going forward as obviously they’re not just that they’d have played.

The idea is to move on when you have something better and to maximise the return on players you trade out, I’d argue we did neither so I sure as hell wouldn’t be crowing about it. You could argue that we might have won a couple of games we didn’t and made finals. Anyway what‘s done is done but people are going to keep biting back when poor trading imo is painted as a success.

Stockpiling moves you forward, not one in one out. We are still looking for players to replace a lot of those guys and will most likely to need to pay more than we sold them for for the equivalent players.

 

[gringo2011]

I would argue that we got maximum for them considering what the industry now values them at.
Disingenuous to say Acres is a victim of the Jackson trade. If he was as vital to the team as people on here kept going on about, they would have kept him. 1 year on $180k to a home town boy is saying 'please leave. There is a problem with him big time.
Hope he gets it together, reckon he is a good player. The other three you mentioned make our team worse.

They have also drafted O'Driscoll who looks like he's going to be a star wingman so they can keep playing Blake on big money or shift over to the kid. I think they are going to go backwards for a couple of years before moving forward. A lot more is going out of Freo than going in and Jackson is a player that won't peak for another couple of years. I think they know that their list profile isn't going to get them a flag so are planning on list improvements to make a charge when guys like Serong and Brayshaw are peaking around 26.

 

[#gosaintas]

Stockpiling moves you forward, not one in one out. We are still looking for players to replace a lot of those guys and will most likely to need to pay more than we sold them for for the equivalent players.

We're not looking to replace Acres, Newnes and Dunny. Bruce has had 1 good year in 4 and looks shot so he was traded for what he was worth. I guess if Cordy is earmarked for Battle's spot then maybe Battle goes forward which fills the forward line for marking talls otherwise Sharman would have to get a crack. So no room for Bruce either.
A lot of our improvement (if we get any at all) surely comes from people like King, Gresh, Coff, Clark, Nas, Windy and Owens plus Marshall becoming the solo ruck/follower for the year. Some good fortune with the FIXture would be handy and hopefully Ratts will go to remedial coaching school over the summer and Lenny will teach the mids how to hit up a leading forward.

 

[gubby88]

We're not looking to replace Acres, Newnes and Dunny. Bruce has had 1 good year in 4 and looks shot so he was traded for what he was worth. I guess if Cordy is earmarked for Battle's spot then maybe Battle goes forward which fills the forward line for marking talls otherwise Sharman would have to get a crack. So no room for Bruce either.
A lot of our improvement (if we get any at all) surely comes from people like King, Gresh, Coff, Clark, Nas, Windy and Owens plus Marshall becoming the solo ruck/follower for the year. Some good fortune with the FIXture would be handy and hopefully Ratts will go to remedial coaching school over the summer and Lenny will teach the mids how to hit up a leading forward.

If battle does go forward, he has shown that he can be proficient in a short ruck/extra mid role as the relief. It's not a bad point of difference having all of Marshall, Battle and Hayes rotating through the game.

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[bergholt]

I think they know that their list profile isn't going to get them a flag so are planning on list improvements to make a charge when guys like Serong and Brayshaw are peaking around 26.

Sounds like a smarter way to do it than saying "oh, we made finals, our list must be great, let's grab some experienced guys" like we did in 2020.

 

[gringo2011]

If battle does go forward, he has shown that he can be proficient in a short ruck/extra mid role as the relief. It's not a bad point of difference having all of Marshall, Battle and Hayes rotating through the game.

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Hayes is going to struggle for a spot with Battle forward if he can ruck. Sharman too.

 

[Sun Ra]

Hayes is going to struggle for a spot with Battle forward if he can ruck. Sharman too.

This "move Battle forward because we have Cordy" idea has got me ****ed. After moving Battle around - wing, forward, back, etc
we finally let him settle into a position at half back this year and he played decent football. If its not broke, don't fix it. Leave him
down back.