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Player Watch 2023 AFL Draft Pool Discussion Thread

Who would you prefer we pick with our first pick?

  • Nick Watson

    Votes: 157 37.6%
  • Zane Duursma

    Votes: 135 32.3%
  • Colby McKercher

    Votes: 51 12.2%
  • Daniel Curtin

    Votes: 51 12.2%
  • Nate Caddy

    Votes: 11 2.6%
  • Conor O'Sullivan

    Votes: 7 1.7%
  • Ryley Sanders

    Votes: 4 1.0%
  • Darcy Wilson

    Votes: 2 0.5%

  • Total voters
    418

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Same rule applies to this thread as other years, keep it on topic about the kids.
Don’t get bogged down on what other teams might do or where they will finish.

Trade speculation belongs here.

That's also where you can discuss your mock drafts or pick trades.

Any McCabe, Dear or Maginness talk belongs here.
 
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Playing deep forward, Harley started this game very well taking marks and kicking goals. Unfortunately his game ended early when he seemed to pick up a knee injury early in the second quarter. Here's hoping its nothing serious.

 
This is a valid criticism but it should be noted that dursmas best games in the champs correlate with more time forward and less in the middle.

He has kicked 25 goals in 9 games at coates level. Kicked a goal in every game this year at that level. Its not necessarily midfielder consistent but that is very consistent for a mid-sized forward who also runs through the midfield.
Averaging 19.9 touches and over 3 goals a game in the Coates league- I think that’s pretty good going (and just slightly higher than Sheezel last year as by way of comparison)
 
He has seen how long it took the giants and gold coast to be competitive. By 2027 we will be back into the top 4 and hopefully contending for a long time, I just can't see him giving that up. There will be plenty of time later in his career to go back home and make the extra $$ and win a flag for Tasmania but our ability to keep players has always been strong. I said a couple weeks ago the WA squad think he is the best player in this pool, he may not be a crumbing or general fwd but he consistently hits the scoreboard.

Perhaps Jarman saw the writing on the wall for the Hawks list when he departed for the Crows but coming home to help establish the new Tassie club shouldn't be underestimated. There's a lot of esteem associated with that.
 

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This is a valid criticism but it should be noted that dursmas best games in the champs correlate with more time forward and less in the middle.

He has kicked 25 goals in 9 games at coates level. Kicked a goal in every game this year at that level. Its not necessarily midfielder consistent but that is very consistent for a mid-sized forward who also runs through the midfield.

Agree - I think they've played Duursma midfield for exposure and the opportunity to demonstrate his versatility, but he's definitely far better performed forward than mid - which is where we need him.
 
I realise quite a few people want McKercher but I'm concerned we would loose him to the Tasmanian team in 2028 after only 4 years on the list.
It’s a 50 minute flight, and as much as I love Tasmania as a Tasmanian myself, it’s a very quiet/empty place for young people. Wouldn’t even consider this when looking at Colby
 
I really like McKercher for his pace and scoreboard imapct, not as an inside mid.
That said, I can't see us picking him unless we really do view him as being ahead of MacKenzie and Macdonald as a mid prospect.

Split the pick/trade up - take 2 of Duursma, Caddy and Watson.
We need forwards and they are elite prospects.
 
I know nothing and each year watch a collective 2-5 minutes of highlights and make my opinion based on that.

Duursma however reminds me of Jaidyn Stephenson pre-draft. Obviously huge upside, and if he has a bit of guts and determination will end up significantly better.

But I'd feel a lot more confident in Watson or McKercher.
 
I really like McKercher for his pace and scoreboard imapct, not as an inside mid.
That said, I can't see us picking him unless we really do view him as being ahead of MacKenzie and Macdonald as a mid prospect.

Split the pick/trade up - take 2 of Duursma, Caddy and Watson.
We need forwards and they are elite prospects.
every year, last few years, we have been talking about splitting picks but have not, still took DGB.
just out of interest, especially if people feel Duursma is a huge risk, could possibly split for GWS's picks 7 & 11, players like Ollie Murphy (key back) and Sanders (who looks quite dependable too, if that is what people want instead of duursma).
 
every year, last few years, we have been talking about splitting picks but have not, still took DGB.
just out of interest, especially if people feel Duursma is a huge risk, could possibly split for GWS's picks 7 & 11, players like Ollie Murphy (key back) and Sanders (who looks quite dependable too, if that is what people want instead of duursma).
sorry probably change Sanders for someone else who fancies you. Although i cannot see anyone else with class of Watson.
 
every year, last few years, we have been talking about splitting picks but have not, still took DGB.
just out of interest, especially if people feel Duursma is a huge risk, could possibly split for GWS's picks 7 & 11, players like Ollie Murphy (key back) and Sanders (who looks quite dependable too, if that is what people want instead of duursma).
Need to remember 7 and 11 will become ~10 and ~14 with bids. It’s a no from me.
 
every year, last few years, we have been talking about splitting picks but have not, still took DGB.
just out of interest, especially if people feel Duursma is a huge risk, could possibly split for GWS's picks 7 & 11, players like Ollie Murphy (key back) and Sanders (who looks quite dependable too, if that is what people want instead of duursma).

7 and 11 probably gets us Caddy and O'Sullivan.
 

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I think Duursma the forward is the best player outside Reid in this draft class. He makes consistent efforts to affect the contest, but can also pull an amazing mark out of nowhere or rip the ball out of a pack and break the game open with a deft spin. He's great at getting too the off-angle for a lead, our mids seem to really focus on looking for that angle perpendicular to the main lead (we saw how good this was for Hustwaite, Ramsden, and CMac this week) and Duursma is a player who will take the opportunity to fly for a big grab and pull it down. People have noticed he can be laconic at times, I think he puts in so many efforts as a mid sprinting from pack to pack that he gets worn out quickly when he's put on the ball. That might be something for him to build up to at AFL level because his stoppage craft is really good and could be improved by the guidance of Bruesty and his crumming pattern savant brain. Probably my favourite player in the draft to watch right now.


I like Caddy, but if I'm being honest with myself I think there're players with better AFL prospect than him in the top 5. He's good on follow up when th ball hits the deck, but he's definetly not a midfielder at AFL level and I don't think he'll go well as a high half forward. He's got some really good traits, but I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe he could be the best forward in a finals side yet. I think picks 5-10 will suit him really well.

Watson can be really exciting, but I still don't think he's anything more than a deadly small forward. His disposal can let him down sometimes, and he does really well through u18s contact but I'm not sure how that'd translate. I can't see him taking the marks he usually does on someone like Maynard, Quaynor, or Hardwick. Still a killer once the ball hits the deck though.

Curtin will be a very good player, but i just can't see him being a great player. Similar to Ward and Mackenzie, he's a very complete player that could be a key piece to a flag, just not the star of the show.

Cooling on COS for now, hasn't locked down as much as I would have liked him too. Still a great pickup in the top 10.

McKercher is just such a great player. His composure at speed, attack on the footy, and goal sense are truly extrodianary. What sets him apart from the usual jetspeed gunners is that he does it all day, every day, every quarter, every minute. His tank is insanity for how much energy he must use, but he's having these big impacts at every contest he gets too. He has a great sense for the goals as well, he's been very clean with his decision making inside 50 and while he can blaze away, looking at where his teammates are when he does a shot at goal is usually the best option. Considering he's making these decisions at pace, it's very composed for a teenager. We've seen our stars fade in and out of games a bit this year, Colby is one who'll be running hot while everyone else is down. Play him on a wing or as a small forward and let him torch his opponents while he builds his strength. It's not for me to guess his intentions for a Tassie side, so I'll mark him as if he was born and raised at Glenferrie his entire life.

If I were to rank my preference for our first pick, it would be:

1. Zane Duursma
2. Colby McKercher
3. Nick Watson
4. Daniel Curtin
5. Nate Caddy
6. Connor O'Sullivan

Players I'd like with a later pick (in no particular order)
Archer Reid - ffs stop playing him in the ruck

Ollie Murphy - I still think he'll be a better defensive defender than COS

Harry De Mattia - Reminds me a bit of CMac and Newcombe, but with a bit more forward craft and less midfield class (just a touch either way). Absolute blitzing athlete though, I think he'll be an amazing small forward in the AFL.

Koltyn Tholstrup - There's always room for another Newc comparison, but I also see a bit of Sicily in him. Has that dawg in him too.

Jack Delean - The kind of forward to be unseen for 15 minutes in a quarter, then pop up and kick two of the most improbable goals you have ever seen. Just seems to be a 2-6 scoring shot per game forward no matter what level he plays at.
 
I think Duursma the forward is the best player outside Reid in this draft class. He makes consistent efforts to affect the contest, but can also pull an amazing mark out of nowhere or rip the ball out of a pack and break the game open with a deft spin. He's great at getting too the off-angle for a lead, our mids seem to really focus on looking for that angle perpendicular to the main lead (we saw how good this was for Hustwaite, Ramsden, and CMac this week) and Duursma is a player who will take the opportunity to fly for a big grab and pull it down. People have noticed he can be laconic at times, I think he puts in so many efforts as a mid sprinting from pack to pack that he gets worn out quickly when he's put on the ball. That might be something for him to build up to at AFL level because his stoppage craft is really good and could be improved by the guidance of Bruesty and his crumming pattern savant brain. Probably my favourite player in the draft to watch right now.


I like Caddy, but if I'm being honest with myself I think there're players with better AFL prospect than him in the top 5. He's good on follow up when th ball hits the deck, but he's definetly not a midfielder at AFL level and I don't think he'll go well as a high half forward. He's got some really good traits, but I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe he could be the best forward in a finals side yet. I think picks 5-10 will suit him really well.

Watson can be really exciting, but I still don't think he's anything more than a deadly small forward. His disposal can let him down sometimes, and he does really well through u18s contact but I'm not sure how that'd translate. I can't see him taking the marks he usually does on someone like Maynard, Quaynor, or Hardwick. Still a killer once the ball hits the deck though.

Curtin will be a very good player, but i just can't see him being a great player. Similar to Ward and Mackenzie, he's a very complete player that could be a key piece to a flag, just not the star of the show.

Cooling on COS for now, hasn't locked down as much as I would have liked him too. Still a great pickup in the top 10.

McKercher is just such a great player. His composure at speed, attack on the footy, and goal sense are truly extrodianary. What sets him apart from the usual jetspeed gunners is that he does it all day, every day, every quarter, every minute. His tank is insanity for how much energy he must use, but he's having these big impacts at every contest he gets too. He has a great sense for the goals as well, he's been very clean with his decision making inside 50 and while he can blaze away, looking at where his teammates are when he does a shot at goal is usually the best option. Considering he's making these decisions at pace, it's very composed for a teenager. We've seen our stars fade in and out of games a bit this year, Colby is one who'll be running hot while everyone else is down. Play him on a wing or as a small forward and let him torch his opponents while he builds his strength. It's not for me to guess his intentions for a Tassie side, so I'll mark him as if he was born and raised at Glenferrie his entire life.

If I were to rank my preference for our first pick, it would be:

1. Zane Duursma
2. Colby McKercher
3. Nick Watson
4. Daniel Curtin
5. Nate Caddy
6. Connor O'Sullivan

Players I'd like with a later pick (in no particular order)
Archer Reid - ffs stop playing him in the ruck

Ollie Murphy - I still think he'll be a better defensive defender than COS

Harry De Mattia - Reminds me a bit of CMac and Newcombe, but with a bit more forward craft and less midfield class (just a touch either way). Absolute blitzing athlete though, I think he'll be an amazing small forward in the AFL.

Koltyn Tholstrup - There's always room for another Newc comparison, but I also see a bit of Sicily in him. Has that dawg in him too.

Jack Delean - The kind of forward to be unseen for 15 minutes in a quarter, then pop up and kick two of the most improbable goals you have ever seen. Just seems to be a 2-6 scoring shot per game forward no matter what level he plays at.
Great write up. I would almost agree with your top six choices but for what we NEED I'd swap Colby with Watson. Duursma is winning me over as the first pick but caddy is the big tease in the pack for mine.
 
I think Duursma the forward is the best player outside Reid in this draft class. He makes consistent efforts to affect the contest, but can also pull an amazing mark out of nowhere or rip the ball out of a pack and break the game open with a deft spin. He's great at getting too the off-angle for a lead, our mids seem to really focus on looking for that angle perpendicular to the main lead (we saw how good this was for Hustwaite, Ramsden, and CMac this week) and Duursma is a player who will take the opportunity to fly for a big grab and pull it down. People have noticed he can be laconic at times, I think he puts in so many efforts as a mid sprinting from pack to pack that he gets worn out quickly when he's put on the ball. That might be something for him to build up to at AFL level because his stoppage craft is really good and could be improved by the guidance of Bruesty and his crumming pattern savant brain. Probably my favourite player in the draft to watch right now.


I like Caddy, but if I'm being honest with myself I think there're players with better AFL prospect than him in the top 5. He's good on follow up when th ball hits the deck, but he's definetly not a midfielder at AFL level and I don't think he'll go well as a high half forward. He's got some really good traits, but I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe he could be the best forward in a finals side yet. I think picks 5-10 will suit him really well.
I like Caddy purely as a forward. Everything else is a bonus.
Closest analog to Jack Gunston I have seen.
Works so hard up and down the ground, takes marks, hits the scoreboard.

Duursma is so classy in every thing he does.
Caddy incredible work rate.
 
I like Caddy purely as a forward. Everything else is a bonus.
Closest analog to Jack Gunston I have seen.
Works so hard up and down the ground, takes marks, hits the scoreboard.

Duursma is so classy in every thing he does.
Caddy incredible work rate.
Caddy and Duursma are more similar than at first glance. For the role they'll play in the AFL, neither are going to the main target and both are going to play their best footy as forward pockets that work up the ground to win the ball then work back to be the last option on a counter attack. I can't see Caddy being a big target in the AFL, he isn't the contested mark Curnow is and doesn't use his strength to move his opponent how he wants. Gunston is a good comparison for Caddy, but I just feel like Duursma has more options and is a bit more dynamic with ball in hand. Honestly, Caddy's work rate isn't his biggest selling point. He gets plenty of touches, but they're mostly when he plays as a mid and is present for a stoppage. You'd like to see him work his way up the field as a half forward, getting involved with some overlap play and forcing his opponent to choose between stopping the player or defending the danger zone. Duursma does this really well, and it's why he can have such a big impact with limited possesions. They'll be very similar players in the AFL I feel, but Duursma just has the edge in a few areas and in between them are a crop of players that are outstanding. It's going to be hard to split this top 7 (in the open draft) and I'd be doing a lot to get another pick in it. I'm very bullish on this draft crop, there are a lot of players with some amazing strengths and usually one or two key flaws that might distract people from how good this class looks. We've timed our draft run well.
 
Caddy and Duursma are more similar than at first glance. For the role they'll play in the AFL, neither are going to the main target and both are going to play their best footy as forward pockets that work up the ground to win the ball then work back to be the last option on a counter attack. I can't see Caddy being a big target in the AFL, he isn't the contested mark Curnow is and doesn't use his strength to move his opponent how he wants. Gunston is a good comparison for Caddy, but I just feel like Duursma has more options and is a bit more dynamic with ball in hand. Honestly, Caddy's work rate isn't his biggest selling point. He gets plenty of touches, but they're mostly when he plays as a mid and is present for a stoppage. You'd like to see him work his way up the field as a half forward, getting involved with some overlap play and forcing his opponent to choose between stopping the player or defending the danger zone. Duursma does this really well, and it's why he can have such a big impact with limited possesions. They'll be very similar players in the AFL I feel, but Duursma just has the edge in a few areas and in between them are a crop of players that are outstanding. It's going to be hard to split this top 7 (in the open draft) and I'd be doing a lot to get another pick in it. I'm very bullish on this draft crop, there are a lot of players with some amazing strengths and usually one or two key flaws that might distract people from how good this class looks. We've timed our draft run well.
Thanks for a great reply.
I really do appreciate it.
My comments on Caddy's workrate are only going off his highlights.
I have seen numerous instances of him making repeat efforts, not just within a contest, but also following up further afield too.

On the rest of your comments comparing the two and where/how they will play - it comports with my observations too.
I also prefer Duursma. There's just something about him, and I also have a bias towards graceful athletes.

Conceding we won't get a shot at Reid or Curtin, I have Duursma as my preferred pick.
 
There is so much wrong with this.

How are we getting cute by drafting a talented player that plays in a position that we absolutely need to address? Never mind in comparison to our deep midfield unit.

Who is our Taylor Adams in this scenario?

Why use those two as a reference?

Does your point take into account we already have four quality young midfielders, with three top talents developing behind them?

To use your analogy - you do pass on Pendlebury if you have Adams, because you also have a Hodge, Lewis and a Bontempelli. Plus you have three very talented young midfielders in a Walsh, Black and Zerrett coming through the ranks.

And you would most certainly pass on a Pendlebury when two elite forward talents are available to bolster an area that you can only say you have two long term players on, with any level of confidence.
We don't have a player like Colby at all, this idea that he does not fill a need for our list is just wrong.

If he is available and considered best available we absolutely should be picking him.
 

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I think Duursma the forward is the best player outside Reid in this draft class. He makes consistent efforts to affect the contest, but can also pull an amazing mark out of nowhere or rip the ball out of a pack and break the game open with a deft spin. He's great at getting too the off-angle for a lead, our mids seem to really focus on looking for that angle perpendicular to the main lead (we saw how good this was for Hustwaite, Ramsden, and CMac this week) and Duursma is a player who will take the opportunity to fly for a big grab and pull it down. People have noticed he can be laconic at times, I think he puts in so many efforts as a mid sprinting from pack to pack that he gets worn out quickly when he's put on the ball. That might be something for him to build up to at AFL level because his stoppage craft is really good and could be improved by the guidance of Bruesty and his crumming pattern savant brain. Probably my favourite player in the draft to watch right now.


I like Caddy, but if I'm being honest with myself I think there're players with better AFL prospect than him in the top 5. He's good on follow up when th ball hits the deck, but he's definetly not a midfielder at AFL level and I don't think he'll go well as a high half forward. He's got some really good traits, but I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe he could be the best forward in a finals side yet. I think picks 5-10 will suit him really well.

Watson can be really exciting, but I still don't think he's anything more than a deadly small forward. His disposal can let him down sometimes, and he does really well through u18s contact but I'm not sure how that'd translate. I can't see him taking the marks he usually does on someone like Maynard, Quaynor, or Hardwick. Still a killer once the ball hits the deck though.

Curtin will be a very good player, but i just can't see him being a great player. Similar to Ward and Mackenzie, he's a very complete player that could be a key piece to a flag, just not the star of the show.

Cooling on COS for now, hasn't locked down as much as I would have liked him too. Still a great pickup in the top 10.

McKercher is just such a great player. His composure at speed, attack on the footy, and goal sense are truly extrodianary. What sets him apart from the usual jetspeed gunners is that he does it all day, every day, every quarter, every minute. His tank is insanity for how much energy he must use, but he's having these big impacts at every contest he gets too. He has a great sense for the goals as well, he's been very clean with his decision making inside 50 and while he can blaze away, looking at where his teammates are when he does a shot at goal is usually the best option. Considering he's making these decisions at pace, it's very composed for a teenager. We've seen our stars fade in and out of games a bit this year, Colby is one who'll be running hot while everyone else is down. Play him on a wing or as a small forward and let him torch his opponents while he builds his strength. It's not for me to guess his intentions for a Tassie side, so I'll mark him as if he was born and raised at Glenferrie his entire life.

If I were to rank my preference for our first pick, it would be:

1. Zane Duursma
2. Colby McKercher
3. Nick Watson
4. Daniel Curtin
5. Nate Caddy
6. Connor O'Sullivan

Players I'd like with a later pick (in no particular order)
Archer Reid - ffs stop playing him in the ruck

Ollie Murphy - I still think he'll be a better defensive defender than COS

Harry De Mattia - Reminds me a bit of CMac and Newcombe, but with a bit more forward craft and less midfield class (just a touch either way). Absolute blitzing athlete though, I think he'll be an amazing small forward in the AFL.

Koltyn Tholstrup - There's always room for another Newc comparison, but I also see a bit of Sicily in him. Has that dawg in him too.

Jack Delean - The kind of forward to be unseen for 15 minutes in a quarter, then pop up and kick two of the most improbable goals you have ever seen. Just seems to be a 2-6 scoring shot per game forward no matter what level he plays at.
Really interesting. I like Duursma, but I don't think he can claim anywhere near the level of consistency as Watson. I see McKercher as a tempting option now likely available at our pick, but I'll take Watson's 3 goals and 2 goal assists per week over Colby's 30+ touches and precision kicking.

To me Nick Watson represents a chance to draft a Cyril or Toby Green type forward that can score from absolutely any situation. Especially for a team like us who struggles to score and apply pressure in the front half, I can't imagine leaving him on the board.
 
I think Duursma the forward is the best player outside Reid in this draft class. He makes consistent efforts to affect the contest, but can also pull an amazing mark out of nowhere or rip the ball out of a pack and break the game open with a deft spin. He's great at getting too the off-angle for a lead, our mids seem to really focus on looking for that angle perpendicular to the main lead (we saw how good this was for Hustwaite, Ramsden, and CMac this week) and Duursma is a player who will take the opportunity to fly for a big grab and pull it down. People have noticed he can be laconic at times, I think he puts in so many efforts as a mid sprinting from pack to pack that he gets worn out quickly when he's put on the ball. That might be something for him to build up to at AFL level because his stoppage craft is really good and could be improved by the guidance of Bruesty and his crumming pattern savant brain. Probably my favourite player in the draft to watch right now.


I like Caddy, but if I'm being honest with myself I think there're players with better AFL prospect than him in the top 5. He's good on follow up when th ball hits the deck, but he's definetly not a midfielder at AFL level and I don't think he'll go well as a high half forward. He's got some really good traits, but I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe he could be the best forward in a finals side yet. I think picks 5-10 will suit him really well.

Watson can be really exciting, but I still don't think he's anything more than a deadly small forward. His disposal can let him down sometimes, and he does really well through u18s contact but I'm not sure how that'd translate. I can't see him taking the marks he usually does on someone like Maynard, Quaynor, or Hardwick. Still a killer once the ball hits the deck though.

Curtin will be a very good player, but i just can't see him being a great player. Similar to Ward and Mackenzie, he's a very complete player that could be a key piece to a flag, just not the star of the show.

Cooling on COS for now, hasn't locked down as much as I would have liked him too. Still a great pickup in the top 10.

McKercher is just such a great player. His composure at speed, attack on the footy, and goal sense are truly extrodianary. What sets him apart from the usual jetspeed gunners is that he does it all day, every day, every quarter, every minute. His tank is insanity for how much energy he must use, but he's having these big impacts at every contest he gets too. He has a great sense for the goals as well, he's been very clean with his decision making inside 50 and while he can blaze away, looking at where his teammates are when he does a shot at goal is usually the best option. Considering he's making these decisions at pace, it's very composed for a teenager. We've seen our stars fade in and out of games a bit this year, Colby is one who'll be running hot while everyone else is down. Play him on a wing or as a small forward and let him torch his opponents while he builds his strength. It's not for me to guess his intentions for a Tassie side, so I'll mark him as if he was born and raised at Glenferrie his entire life.

If I were to rank my preference for our first pick, it would be:

1. Zane Duursma
2. Colby McKercher
3. Nick Watson
4. Daniel Curtin
5. Nate Caddy
6. Connor O'Sullivan

Players I'd like with a later pick (in no particular order)
Archer Reid - ffs stop playing him in the ruck

Ollie Murphy - I still think he'll be a better defensive defender than COS

Harry De Mattia - Reminds me a bit of CMac and Newcombe, but with a bit more forward craft and less midfield class (just a touch either way). Absolute blitzing athlete though, I think he'll be an amazing small forward in the AFL.

Koltyn Tholstrup - There's always room for another Newc comparison, but I also see a bit of Sicily in him. Has that dawg in him too.

Jack Delean - The kind of forward to be unseen for 15 minutes in a quarter, then pop up and kick two of the most improbable goals you have ever seen. Just seems to be a 2-6 scoring shot per game forward no matter what level he plays at.

Such a great post. I'm coming around to McK for 2 reasons,

1) I want another CMac at the club
2) I think he'll become the final piece of the puzzle for our midfield

With our expected rise up the ladder, finding guys like him to compliment an already talented young midfield is going to become harder and harder. Let's sort it out now.
 
Could see Mckercher play that architect role Sam has spoken of down back for a year or two

I think that will be Mackenzie.

McKercher reminds me of Cousins/Crawf. His power running just completely rips sides apart. Add Weddle, Ward and CJ to the mix and we will be killing sides on the spread.

Our midfield might start batting so deep we can play Day off HB again. Kinda like our 3peat years where we had the luxury of playing Hodge and Burgers on a flank and sending them in when we needed the job done.
 

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