Opinion 2023 AFL Draft Prospects

[Dogs_r_barking]

Surely we are due for a bit of luck getting a f/s, i am sick of the likes of Daicos, and Fletcher going lower than expected and Marra going as pick 1. Smacks of draft tampering.

 

[Mojorisin]

You can’t trade with the same team twice, no reason you can’t trade back in with other clubs as far as I’m aware.

I don’t really see an issue with pushing the picks back to next year, yeah it sucks for fans as we want everything now but is drafting mids in 2023 or 2024 really gonna make a difference in the overall scheme of things. It’s not trading out of the draft again, because last two times we didn’t get any picks back - in this situation it’s literally just pushing two picks to next year and potentially taking 3 first rounders.

It’s quite clear we’re building for the next charge at the top and that’s when Darcy, Marra etc hit their prime in 3+ years. Small price to pay when the benefit is another top 10 rated KPP

Point being there is a huge amount of options for us, the least desirable is throwing away a ‘potential’ gun KPP for the sake of it. are we really that flush for KPP? As Tian said half of us are desperately trying to move Naughty back, this just opens this door even more - you really can never have enough gun KPP. Big, athletic versatile KPP even better

He may not be Darcy or Marra but he has a pretty bloody desirable set of attributes, if he does in fact race up the draft boards there’s a reason for it. What’s there really to say he’s no Darcy? He was rated similarly at this stage in his draft season

He will complement Darcy nicely. His pretty good below the knees and can stick a tackle.

 

[doggies ftw]

He will complement Darcy nicely. His pretty good below the knees and can stick a tackle.

Yeah I’ve loved the little I’ve seen from him, it’s a fantastic package of aggression & athleticism, he’s not just Darcy type athleticism he’s genuinely quick. Very interested to see his testing results.

Aaand looks like another BOG today, when was the last time he walked onto a footy field and wasn’t BOG or the top couple of players?

I think people are kidding themselves if they think we’re not gonna take him, or that we’re not gonna have to give up a bit. Rate of improvement is immense right now

 

[dogwatch]

Isn't Jaxon Cooney also starring as a KPF in the juniors?

Just what we need

 

[TiAn_]

The trade out & back in loophole was closed several years ago, right? I can't remember exactly the details but I don't think it's as simple as trading 12 & 15 out and then bringing decent picks back in - correct me if wrong. Trading out of the draft as an alternative seems like an awful price to pay (again) for a player with no clear path into the side given so many very talented KPFs. Moving up the order could be a better option, I agree - my point is that we need to think more carefully about whether drafting him is the right option for our list. Darcy or Marra he ain't.



This argument only works if we assume Croft can play key back. He hasn't played there at all, and from what I've seen, most of the comments speculating that he could play down there are focused on his athletic abilities. It takes far more to be a competent defender than just being athletic with a neat kick.

A high-mid first rounder is a huge price to pay to hope that the player can play a different position. If Beveridge did that when it suited others' arguments less he'd be hanged, drawn and quartered. Imagine the outrage if he played Buss as a forward next week?

We would need to see some tangible evidence that he is competent in that position to pay such high a price imo.

I’m saying that on the basis Croft is a 200cm KPF. I saw people say we couldn’t draft Naughton because we’d have too many key defenders. Didn’t take long before that situation turned on its head.

If he’s good enough to get nominated at 10, then trade the first rounders into next year or for players and bring in Croft with a couple of late seconds if we have to. The advantage in getting a top 10 player (if that’s where he’s rated) for a couple of picks in the 30s is too good to pass up. We’re extremely unlikely to draft a mid at say 14 or 19 that is going to make a difference for us next year, probably even the year after, anyway.

 

[doggies ftw]

I’m saying that on the basis Croft is a 200cm KPF. I saw people say we couldn’t draft Naughton because we’d have too many key defenders. Didn’t take long before that situation turned on its head.

If he’s good enough to get nominated at 10, then trade the first rounders into next year or for players and bring in Croft with a couple of late seconds if we have to. The advantage in getting a top 10 player (if that’s where he’s rated) for a couple of picks in the 30s is too good to pass up. We’re extremely unlikely to draft a mid at say 14 or 19 that is going to make a difference for us next year, probably even the year after, anyway.

Theres also the possibility trading into next year we get lucky and get a team who falls down the ladder and ends up being a better pick than the late first we’ll likely give up too, plus from memory sounds like next years a better draft for mids anyway at this early stage. Doesn’t sound like there’s gonna be anything particularly enticing around our picks

 

[TiAn_]

Theres also the possibility trading into next year we get lucky and get a team who falls down the ladder and ends up being a better pick than the late first we’ll likely give up too, plus from memory sounds like next years a better draft for mids anyway at this early stage. Doesn’t sound like there’s gonna be anything particularly enticing around our picks

I think most drafts you have to get lucky to pick up a great midfielder after about 10-12. You might get a Butters at 12, for example. But it’s usually only the top handful of mids that have a real impact in their first couple of years, or the odd outlier like Worpel, or whoever Sydney draft in recent years .

Realistically, whoever we pick this year in that 12-20 range is probably not going to have much impact on how we go next year. Whether it’s Croft, or a small.

Who knows where it all ends up. If we miss the 8 we might get a top 10 pick in ahead of Croft anyway.

 

[doggies ftw]

I think most drafts you have to get lucky to pick up a great midfielder after about 10-12. You might get a Butters at 12, for example. But it’s usually only the top handful of mids that have a real impact in their first couple of years, or the odd outlier like Worpel, or whoever Sydney draft in recent years .

Realistically, whoever we pick this year in that 12-20 range is probably not going to have much impact on how we go next year. Whether it’s Croft, or a small.

Who knows where it all ends up. If we miss the 8 we might get a top 10 pick in ahead of Croft anyway.

Honestly that would probably be the best thing for us… but it would definitely suck

 

[doggiesin08]

You can’t trade with the same team twice, no reason you can’t trade back in with other clubs as far as I’m aware.

I don’t really see an issue with pushing the picks back to next year, yeah it sucks for fans as we want everything now but is drafting mids in 2023 or 2024 really gonna make a difference in the overall scheme of things. It’s not trading out of the draft again, because last two times we didn’t get any picks back - in this situation it’s literally just pushing two picks to next year and potentially taking 3 first rounders.

It’s quite clear we’re building for the next charge at the top and that’s when Darcy, Marra etc hit their prime in 3+ years. Small price to pay when the benefit is another top 10 rated KPP

Point being there is a huge amount of options for us, the least desirable is throwing away a ‘potential’ gun KPP for the sake of it. are we really that flush for KPP? As Tian said half of us are desperately trying to move Naughty back, this just opens this door even more - you really can never have enough gun KPP. Big, athletic versatile KPP even better

He may not be Darcy or Marra but he has a pretty bloody desirable set of attributes, if he does in fact race up the draft boards there’s a reason for it. What’s there really to say he’s no Darcy? He was rated similarly at this stage in his draft season

Is the restriction on the same club in any capacity, or just getting the exact same picks back?

On current picks, could we for example trade out picks 11 and 15 to Melbourne for their future picks, and then trade those future picks back for their current picks 12 and 13?

 

[TiAn_]

Is the restriction on the same club in any capacity, or just getting the exact same picks back?

On current picks, could we for example trade out picks 11 and 15 to Melbourne for their future picks, and then trade those future picks back for their current picks 12 and 13?

Not sure of the actual wording of the rule, but the effect is: “A club, now, will not be allowed to strike two separate deals with the same rival team in an attempt to use less valuable selections to match a bid on an academy or father-son prospect on draft night.”

 

[weltschmerz]

Not sure of the actual wording of the rule, but the effect is: “A club, now, will not be allowed to strike two separate deals with the same rival team in an attempt to use less valuable selections to match a bid on an academy or father-son prospect on draft night.”

So we could trade our pick 12 to the Crows for their future first, then after the bid we could trade our natural future first to the Saints for their pick 13. But we couldn't make those two trades with the same team?

 

[TiAn_]

So we could trade our pick 12 to the Crows for their future first, then after the bid we could trade our natural future first to the Saints for their pick 13. But we couldn't make those two trades with the same team?

That’s how I understand it.

 

[doggies ftw]

Is the restriction on the same club in any capacity, or just getting the exact same picks back?

On current picks, could we for example trade out picks 11 and 15 to Melbourne for their future picks, and then trade those future picks back for their current picks 12 and 13?

Yeah I’m not sure about that, I don’t think a team would help you out like that though unless there was a decent pick in it for them and I’m not sure the AFL would love that, I think it’d be best to organise with two seperate teams

 

[Mofra]

So we could trade our pick 12 to the Crows for their future first, then after the bid we could trade our natural future first to the Saints for their pick 13. But we couldn't make those two trades with the same team?

Yeah, Sydney exploited the rule one year (Blakey draft) with Eagles picks so the AFL changed it.
WCE are happy to get creative with other teams, especially when they get a benefit too.

 

[dergert]

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Croft is rising.

Outside of Croft, any 2 of these guys would be exciting! Could set us up.

 

[Northernsoul74]

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Croft is rising.

Outside of Croft, any 2 of these guys would be exciting! Could set us up.

The Colonel is the one around our likely pick.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

You would think that if West Coast manage to get some draft picks they will focus on WA players. Any talk of them getting a priority pick?

 

[_Cerberus_]

You would think that if West Coast manage to get some draft picks they will focus on WA players. Any talk of them getting a priority pick?

Aside from Curtain, Edwards and Tholstrup, it is not a good year to focus heavily on WA talent. They should be aiming for best available. If they keep getting some more 100 point losses to close out the season, I would not be surprised to see them get awarded a priority pick. They would be better served trading pick one for multiple first rounders, as they have that many holes, and still a few retirements on the horizon. Things could get uglier, even though its on the club itself.

 

[weltschmerz]

Something that could be realistic:

Darcy Wilson or Joel Freijah with our first
Trade Brisbane's first into next year
Match Croft
Trade a future into this year and take McAuliffe, Tholstrup, or Frangalas if it's later in the draft

A classy skilled versatile mid, Croft, and an inside bull, with some extra currency next year to play with.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Not a very good draft for pure inside midfielders going by the rankings listed above. Will be interesting to see if we can even land our hands on one of the top few at all.

 

[dergert]

Like the sound of Connor O'Sullivan and Ollie Murphy.

Need to build our tall defenders imo.

We have so many holes on the list lol

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Like the sound of Connor O'Sullivan and Ollie Murphy.

Need to build our tall defenders imo.

We have so many holes on the list lol

In two years' time we're likely to no longer have Libba and Treloar on the list. If we don't start recruiting replacements soon, the situation could be dire, especially since Bont's body may not hold up and Macrae will be in his 30s. We'll lose Keath and probably Bruce, but Jones should still be around, Gardner is still here, and we've recruited Busslinger and O'Donnell in the last couple years, on top of either of Darcy or Croft potentially ending up defenders. No way would I be spending a 1st on another KPD this year unless it's a very, very, very strong case of best available (like Curtin falling to Pick 15 or something like that)

 

[weltschmerz]

Like the sound of Connor O'Sullivan and Ollie Murphy.

Need to build our tall defenders imo.

We have so many holes on the list lol

I think we’d do better with a mature ager from the state league. Buss and JOD are developing their craft, would be good to add a physically mature 23-year-old rather than another kid.

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Not a very good draft for pure inside midfielders going by the rankings listed above. Will be interesting to see if we can even land our hands on one of the top few at all.

Yeah not as keen on drafting "best of the rest", I want elite talent with our first. McKercher or Sanders are the midfielders I want at this stage, otherwise would rather we got someone like Freijah (wing) or Tholstrup/Duursma (mid-forward) who are the best in their positions and still address areas of need

 

[hatescaptcha]

Joel Freijah and Darcy Wilson seems like a good fit for us with their outside run.


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