Prediction 2023 Consensus Best 22 - Final vote closed, team selected!

[Dunna Heartknee]

Have wanted Doc to play that Goddard type role for a number of years, hopefully we see a variation of that this year.

If Doc does well, which I expect will happen, will be interesting to see what happens when Walsh returns

Walshs return to HFF will make JSOS or Martin play VFL in my eyes, Doc made us look really good when in the middle late last season.
Could upset quite a few supporters if both rucks are up and running and we are looking to quicken up the side.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Defender voting has closed with 84 votes.

1. Saad 83 / 99%
2. Weitering 83 / 99%
3. Young 82 / 98%
4. Williams 79 / 94%
5. McGovern 77 / 92%
6. Docherty* 72 / 86%
7. Newman 37 / 44%
8. Marchbank 33 / 39%
9. Boyd 30 / 36%
10. Cowan 2 / 2%
11. Kemp 2 / 2%
12. Plowman 2 / 2%
13. Akeui 0 / 0%
14. Durdin 0 / 0%

Boy oh boy....not a lotta love for poor ol' Plow

 

[katmanblue]

My love and admiration to whoever voted DC [emoji170]

It was a poster named Cavid Duningham.

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[bigblueboy]

C​	Acres​	Cerra​	Cottrell​
Foll​	Cripps​	Hewett​	Walsh​

Bench: Kennedy

Up to Hollands to push Cottrell out of the side.

I went with Carroll instead of Cottrell. Otherwise same same

 

[JustaBattler]

Have wanted Doc to play that Goddard type role for a number of years, hopefully we see a variation of that this year.

If Doc does well, which I expect will happen, will be interesting to see what happens when Walsh returns

Vossy will find a way to play them all - guaranteed.

 

[JustaBattler]

JAB, from memory, voting for the ruckman with the rest of the mids was tried once but the voting distribution showed that not everyone actually voted for a ruck option. Splitting it kept the positional integrity.

I’ll also run the ruck vote before the forwards vote this year because the #1 ruck chosen could impact the forward sections.

Thanks for the background CJMB.
Good idea to start with ruck choice as it will no doubt impact on forward line selections...

 

[therubbernub]

can never have enough mids........

Or Half Backs according to Jim Rogers..Or was it Wayne Rogers

 

[katmanblue]

Or Half Backs according to Jim Rogers..Or was it Wayne Rogers

Buck Rogers...

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[Revenant1995]

Looks like Doch will make the consensus 22 midfield, meaning at this stage Marchbank will take his place in defence. Personally, I wouldn't have all of McGovern, Marchbank and Newman, and would probably swap 1 out for Boyd.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Looks like Doch will make the consensus 22 midfield, meaning at this stage Marchbank will take his place in defence. Personally, I wouldn't have all of McGovern, Marchbank and Newman, and would probably swap 1 out for Boyd.

We generally play 7 defenders, Soapy has said Cowan is a chance to play Rd 1 as he's really impressed.

My guess would be:

Newman Weitering Marchbank
Saad Young McGovern

Cowan starting on the bench as a rotation who can play stints on the wing too

 

[marcmurphy3]

We generally play 7 defenders, Soapy has said Cowan is a chance to play Rd 1 as he's really impressed.

My guess would be:

Newman Weitering Marchbank
Saad Young McGovern

Cowan starting on the bench as a rotation who can play stints on the wing too

Cowan is a hybrid type too. Can run and rebound but also able to intercept and cover taller guys. Fremantle have a heap of these which is part of what makes their defence so potent. Out of all the available options for 7th defender in round 1 I think he provides the best balance (provided he is up to the level).

 

[thylacine60]

Or Half Backs according to Jim Rogers..Or was it Wayne Rogers

Radar will know......

 

[Revenant1995]

We generally play 7 defenders, Soapy has said Cowan is a chance to play Rd 1 as he's really impressed.

My guess would be:

Newman Weitering Marchbank
Saad Young McGovern

Cowan starting on the bench as a rotation who can play stints on the wing too

I'd be having:
Newman, Weitering, McGovern
Saad, Young, Williams
7th probably Boyd, but can see the case for Cowan (and then there is Kemp as perhaps extra on bench). Dare I say it... depth...

 

[Aphrodite]

Acres Cripps Cerra

Hewett Walsh Doc

Kennedy

+1

 

[bigblueboy]

Think people need to temper expectations regarding Docherty's midfield role. While he is going to help fill the gap of Walsh (and maybe Kennedy) at season's start - thinking he is going to be at the level required on a consistent basis reminds of the expectations we had of Williams based off one notable game in the midfield for GWS.
There's not a body of evidence that Docherty can play mid or even wing. I'm not saying he can't ... but history tells us - just like Williams - he performs best off half back.

 

[Jimmae]

What the **** is that O'Brien vote count

 

[Aphrodite]

What the * is that O'Brien vote count

You voted for LOB along with 20 others.

 

[Jimmae]

You voted for LOB along with 20 others.

I'm asking why it isn't 60%+... apparently we're going to leave one wing vacant for 40% of the game.

 

[BigFrizz36]

We need to be careful that we don't fall into the Jarryd Lyons conundrum.

Good player and a good bit of business by the Lions to get him. Personally think though that you can carry similar in your first four rotation if your goal is finals, however you won't win a flag with him (or his likes) in your first midfielder rotation.

I think that the lions agree hence getting Dunkley (and by default Ashcroft).

Might be why Doc is training to play midfield, pretty sure that we have the core right but that we just need further class insurance, in case of emergency like late last year.
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[Blue Bloods]

I'm asking why it isn't 60%+... apparently we're going to leave one wing vacant for 40% of the game.

Agree, Voss likes specialised roles and wing is not a place to dump a pure midfielder. Maybe Cerra, but think Cerra and Doc (if he plays midfielder)will be inside and outside pure in the square midfielder. Not gut running up and down the wing.

Arces and O,Brien clearly the best specialist wings in out team.

 

[Arr0w]

Acres is a lock for one wing, the other is still up for grabs

Acres Cripps LOB/Cotts
Pitto Hewett Doc

Bench Carroll Cerra

Injured Kennedy Walsh Cotts

LOB will probably start Round 1, but will then be fighting for a spot with Cotts, who should be right to go in a month.

Then with Kennedy and Walsh returning, think the magnets will get shuffled again

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Don’t necessarily like Cerra or Walsh on the wing but it gets tight if Doc does move up the ground.

Think we need to stick with two specialist wingmen, Acres and one of LOB/Cottrell/Binns.

Wingmen need to be unselfish. There will be games where they get 30 with ease and there will be games where their job is to simply sit in the hole or nullify an opposition runner.

Walsh and Cerra at clearances/following the ball please.

 

[JustaBattler]

I've got injury fatigue and onluy expect to see injuries every year to key players - it is just about how many in my mind. So in that context the more players that can play in different positions as a midfielder the better in my books. You aren't ever going to put Cripps or Kennedy on a wing - but Walsh/Hewett/Cerra/Docherty are all capable of holding wing a spot for periods of time if and as required - if Acres can rotate on ball - that would be a good thing too - I can't see either LoB or Cottrell ever attending a center square bounce. I'd add Fisher/Martin/Williams not to mention Cuningham as being perfectly capable of some midfield time.

Options.

 

[CJMB]

Don’t necessarily like Cerra or Walsh on the wing but it gets tight if Doc does move up the ground.

Think we need to stick with two specialist wingmen, Acres and one of LOB/Cottrell/Binns.

Wingmen need to be unselfish. There will be games where they get 30 with ease and there will be games where their job is to simply sit in the hole or nullify an opposition runner.

Walsh and Cerra at clearances/following the ball please.

When the full gambit is back the mids are going to have to spend time in another position aside from following/on-ball, especially if Doc continues as a midfielder after Walsh and Kennedy’s return.

Otherwise you’re talking about 6 guys spending exactly 50% TOG on-ball/starting in the centre square and the other 50% on the bench…. Leaving one bench spot for the rotations for the rest of the team.

I still like Williams getting a few CBAs like at the end of last season when he came back in, that’s another 10% or so gone.

The squeeze is going to happen and we’ll see players move out of the middle to accomodate each other, some for bigger portions than others. Probably ends up having to average about a 3:2 split of mid and 2nd position.

Doc high halfback/wing, Walsh wing and HHF, Cerra wing/halfback, Kennedy half forward/marking option, Cripps key/3rd fwd, Hewett hb/hf, etc.

If you want mids who just play on-ball and not really anything else then we can only field 4 of them in the team.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

When the full gambit is back the mids are going to have to spend time in another position aside from following/on-ball, especially if Doc continues as a midfielder after Walsh and Kennedy’s return.

Otherwise you’re talking about 6 guys spending exactly 50% TOG on-ball/starting in the centre square and the other 50% on the bench…. Leaving one bench spot for the rotations for the rest of the team.

I still like Williams getting a few CBAs like at the end of last season when he came back in, that’s another 10% or so gone.

The squeeze is going to happen and we’ll see players move out of the middle to accomodate each other, some for bigger portions than others. Probably ends up having to average about a 3:2 split of mid and 2nd position.

Doc high halfback/wing, Walsh wing and HHF, Cerra wing/halfback, Kennedy half forward/marking option, Cripps key/3rd fwd, Hewett hb/hf, etc.

If you want mids who just play on-ball and not really anything else then we can only field 4 of them in the team.

Never said I want mids who only play on ball. I don’t think the wing is a position to be resting midfielders and that is consistent with the best sides over the last few years.

Two specialist wingers one more attack minded and one more defence minded has been the play for a while now. It’s a difficult and sometimes wasteful role.

Smith/Holmes the perfect example.
Langdon/Brayshaw (dedicated 2021 to being a pure winger)
Mcintosh/Pickett