List Mgmt. 2023 Draft Thread - Part I

[Joffaboy]

2017: Gone from us, no reason his career won't kick on from here. Clark probably a better mid than the mids taken after him in that draft that have been delisted. :/
2019: Yep, Hill cost us.
2020: Who would you have taken in that draft? Poulter a fringe player at best.

Yes we need mids but you won't get a top rated mid just because you really really really want one Veruca.

You can cry all you like about Coffield and Clark, but the gun mid you wanted was not there in that draft.

You asked a question, I answered it. You asked what draft we hadn't taken a first round mid and I answered it. You churn through them, but for at least 5 years if not 10 we did not select a select a first round mid. Dunstan in 2013 was our last before Pou.
Are you honestly sating we could not get 2 or 3 first rate mids from 9 drafts? Wow.

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[Joffaboy]

People have got short memories of the season just past, our biggest weakness for almost a decade has been our lack of quality midfielders. Midfielders win finals now more than ever. If there are midfielders rated around the same as other positional players with our first pick/s we should be taking them. After that we go can fill positional needs.

The only reason I can see we wouldnt prioritise midfielders this year, is if the recruiters believe next years crop of mids are far superior. Then it would be reasonable to take a player such as Murphy with our first.

Yes we have Phillipou, Owens, Windhager and possibly Hotton coming through, but Ross, Crouch, Hill, Steele, Wood and Jones are about to fall off a cliff. Every top side has at least 6 x quality players that can rotate through there.

Agree. The other scenario is a high quality FA next year.
Forgot about Dow being recruited so one mid from our first two picks would be ok.
If we selected Murphy first I think I would go for DiMattio (spelling), a bit of development but has the tools speed and apparently exudes leadership.

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[Joffaboy]

We just traded in two mids who are not only ready to go but are young enough to be long term players. We also have a few players already on the list who we all hope can spend more time in the midfield rotation. No one is advocating that we pick 3 talls or ignore midfielders with our 2nd & 3rd picks.

There is simply a discussion on Murphy being an option if the best midfield options when our first selection comes up are mid/fwds (Tholstrup), have come on late & didn't play in the Champs (Edwards) or are small forwards (Collard).

With the value of quality tall defenders these days (look at what McKay got himself & Norf), if you get the chance to draft a kid with the size, skill set and right physical and mental attributes, you strongly consider it. I don't think Murphy has a hope in hell of getting through to our 2nd pick... and the tall defenders that look like they're available later are reported to have some significant limitations.

Would not class Henry as a mid. Dow certainly.

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[SaintsSeptember]

You asked a question, I answered it. You asked what draft we hadn't taken a first round mid and I answered it. You churn through them, but for at least 5 years if not 10 we did not select a select a first round mid. Dunstan in 2013 was our last before Pou.
Are you honestly sating we could not get 2 or 3 first rate mids from 9 drafts? Wow.

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If Pou is a mid, so was Gresham. I know its where he played.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Whatever.
If our issue was that we were using the first round picks to get the wrong players for the last decade, then we'd have a crap midfield and a heap of really good defenders, hbf, forwards etc. We don't have that.
That's because our issue was that we were crap at identifying talent.

Hopefully that's beyond us.
Picking a non-mid is not repeating past mistakes, because the issue was that we were picking non-AFL players.

 

[Barrels]

Not sure he was suggesting he was, just saying that he’d rather take him over Murphy.

IMO the implication was there in the qualification as to Shoenmakers’ size.

 

[Saints TV]

I preview year’s AFL draft and who might catch the eye of St Kilda recruiters.




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[St Kilda Death]

Suggesting on afl.com that after academy picks, first round will stretch to 25 picks.

They were saying earlier in the year this draft is only expected to go 50 deep.

So 25 in the first, 25 to go.
Will barely push into the 3rd round?

 

[StCicatriz]

Suggesting on afl.com that after academy picks, first round will stretch to 25 picks.

They were saying earlier in the year this draft is only expected to go 50 deep.

So 25 in the first, 25 to go.
Will barely push into the 3rd round?

explains the player retention this year and also the lack of availability of players available by trade.

its a weak draft and clubs have held onto what they already have because of that.

 

[stavro#4]

Gee that Charlie Edwards looks good

 

[ScrappyDo]

Gee that Charlie Edwards looks good

Said the little birdy?

 

[SaintsofSteel]

AFL Draft Focus: St Kilda Saints

The Saints are one of several clubs with multiple picks for the opening night of the count.

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[Saintscomemarchingin]

I dont agree that full-back is an immediate need. We've got 4 on the list who have shown more than enough competency at AFL level which is more than a lot of clubs have. If we believe that a key back is the best available at our pick, we take them and hope they develop into a great player but I dont think we need to be drafting a mature aged one as a huge need.

I don't rate Cordy & Howard as much as apparently you do? Cordy was fine until the final, Howard had a terrible year up until his injury.
Getting developing KPP's is fine, but if we still wanna be in the mix, its not going to be with those two, I'm afraid.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Gee that Charlie Edwards looks good

Yeah the 21st cant come quick enough, to put all us dreamy procrastinators out of our miseries...

 

[bird_man]

Suggesting on afl.com that after academy picks, first round will stretch to 25 picks.

They were saying earlier in the year this draft is only expected to go 50 deep.

So 25 in the first, 25 to go.
Will barely push into the 3rd round?

A lot of the 2nd and early third round picks will disappear for those academy selections so it should still go well into the third round

 

[stavro#4]

Said the little birdy?

Being absolutely upfront.

Little birdy said we like him.

Didnt say we are taking him with our first and didn’t say he was top of our draft board.

Could be rolling the dice and hoping he falls to the Gresham compo

 

[bird_man]

There isn't a genuine out and out midfielder that I'd be over the moon about taking with our first selection unfortunately.

Fortunately I think there are a handful in a similar range that we will have the chance to take with our second.

Best available with the first. Take a mid with the second if we like one.

 

[ScrappyDo]

A lot of the 2nd and early third round picks will disappear for those academy selections so it should still go well into the third round

It'll hit 60+ picks unless something silly happend. Half the clubs need to go that deep to get their 3 picks. Port doesn't even start till 70 something.

 

[stavro#4]

Last tiny scoop I got.

If there is a player we really like between 13* and 21*

We will trade in

Same appetite to do so as last year and Elijah Hewett.

 

[bird_man]

Last tiny scoop I got.

If there is a player we really like between 13* and 21*

We will trade in

Same appetite to do so as last year and Elijah Hewett.

God I hope we don't plan on throwing away our future first

 

[stavro#4]

God I hope we don't plan on throwing away our future first

I suppose It’s only bad if we miss finals.

 

[gringo2011]

I suppose It’s only bad if we miss finals.

Which is definitely possible.

 

[gringo2011]

Also do we still have next year's second rounder?

 

[stavro#4]

Also do we still have next year's second rounder?

No.

We have our first and 3 thirds from memory

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Windsor looks like an outside mid/winger.. Not going to help us with our general contested ball winning issue. Whereas Charlie Edwards and Cooper Simpson are both balanced mids and can burst away from stoppages with pace.

We need mids, not more thin key backs that are may become good.. Look at Zach Reid from Essendon, or Grainger Brass from Hawthorn. Actually, apart from Carlton’s Weitering, which other first round key defenders have worked out lately?

Harvey Johnston is a balanced midfielder & has some fans.