List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

33

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

31

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Andre the Giant]

From a structure perspective we are so much better when Brent Daniels

16

Brent Daniels

Age

25

Ht

172cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.9

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.8

4star

plays. His chasing, pressure and two way running is elite.

We really need to have a strong focus on bringing in a couple more players with his type of attributes.

He is very disruptive and creates opportunities, a lot of what he does may not show up in stats but it’s so valuable. Love him.

 

[Giant Pete]

From a structure perspective we are so much better when Brent Daniels plays. His chasing, pressure and two way running is elite.

We really need to have a strong focus on bringing in a couple more players with his type of attributes.

He is very disruptive and creates opportunities, a lot of what he does may not show up in stats but it’s so valuable. Love him.

Blowing my own trumpet here but I’ve been saying this for a while. Can’t wait to see Jones and Beds in there with Binga.

 

[Giant Pete]

Blowing my own trumpet here but I’ve been saying this for a while. Can’t wait to see Jones and Beds in there with Binga.

Dare i say it will be…. Bedlam.

 

[Hendo_21]

From a structure perspective we are so much better when Brent Daniels plays. His chasing, pressure and two way running is elite.

We really need to have a strong focus on bringing in a couple more players with his type of attributes.

He is very disruptive and creates opportunities, a lot of what he does may not show up in stats but it’s so valuable. Love him.

Yeo he played great, moving forward Jones, Bedford and Daniels should be a really good complimentary trio

 

[Giant Pete]

Bit random but we have two first round draft picks this year. What areas of our list do you think we should target with our two picks?
If we know Himmelberg is leaving I think we should recruit a 195cm plus key and best available mid.

 

[Orange crush]

Bit random but we have two first round draft picks this year. What areas of our list do you think we should target with our two picks?
If we know Himmelberg is leaving I think we should recruit a 195cm plus key and best available mid.

Regardless of HH, I think we take another tall and the best available id as you suggest

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Bit random but we have two first round draft picks this year. What areas of our list do you think we should target with our two picks?
If we know Himmelberg is leaving I think we should recruit a 195cm plus key and best available mid.

The club will do all it can do sign HH and Ash? Of the 18 players remaining that are out of contract by the end of this year, these two will be our biggest priorities?

 

[Giant Strides]

The club will do all it can do sign HH and Ash? Of the 18 players remaining that are out of contract by the end of this year, these two will be our biggest priorities?

Surely, yes.

 

[Brave New World]

News Corp Network did a roundup of the lists of Victorian/Tasmanian TAC Lists for this year, including identifying players with father/son and other football backgrounds. There were some interesting notes on players with some connections to the Giants. These were:

Bendigo Pioneers:

“Jed Daniels is a cousin of GWS forward Brent Daniels

16

Brent Daniels

Age

25

Ht

172cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.9

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.8

4star

and is a similarly speedy forward”. His height is given as 172.8. Daniels is also recorded as from ‘Sea Lake Nandaly Tigers’, great name for a club.

“Glen Gilbee is considered a very similar player to his brother Jason, who was drafted to Greater Western Sydney last year”. His height is given as 181.8 cm.

GWV Rebels:

“Nick Cadman is the younger brother of last year’s No. 1 draft pick, Aaron Cadman, but is new to the Rebels’ program and has some learning ahead of him”. His height is given as 185 cm.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Based on this re-signing of Himmelberg is going to be hard? Hopefully the offloading of Hopper and Toranto helps

Giant’s shock contract revealed as salary cap still a “major issue” for GWS

“That’s a lot of money for a 30-year-old.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[sydney_gws]

I am a little bit annoyed but this. I know we are all potentially anonymous posters, but I reckon i have seen 10 different posts confirming we gave up too much to get Cadman.
Paying overs to move up the trade board and overs to retain players? Surely we can do better than that. Would Cogs, Kelly, Whitfield accepted one year less on an average 100k less? Maybe not. Maybe they had to do that to get their signature. If so,,lobby the AFL to change free agency. Players can still move freely after 8 years, but the signing club has to pay some form of compensation. This will stop the outrageously generous offers thrown at our players.

 

[Orange crush]

Sam McClure seems to have it in for gws .. he's the turd what spread the shite about cogs causing jezza to leave last week .... he's a bitter little worm

 

[mau5trap]

Based on this re-signing of Himmelberg is going to be hard? Hopefully the offloading of Hopper and Toranto helps

Giant’s shock contract revealed as salary cap still a “major issue” for GWS

“That’s a lot of money for a 30-year-old.”

www.sen.com.au

"shock contract revealed".....i.e contract that's been known about for years but we just need to fill our weekly gws salary cap crisis story quota

 

[dlanod]

Sam McClure seems to have it in for gws .. he's the turd what spread the shite about cogs causing jezza to leave last week .... he's a bitter little worm

From memory he's a Dogs supporter... Go figure.

 

[domologue]

Based on this re-signing of Himmelberg is going to be hard? Hopefully the offloading of Hopper and Toranto helps

Giant’s shock contract revealed as salary cap still a “major issue” for GWS

“That’s a lot of money for a 30-year-old.”

www.sen.com.au

Boring... badly written... clear agenda.

So no, not journalism.

 

[Hendo_21]

I am a little bit annoyed but this. I know wecare all potentially anonymous posters, but I reckon i have seen 10 different posts confirming we gave up too much to get Cadman.
Paying overs to move up the trade board and overs to retain players? Surely we can do better than that. Would Cogs, Kelly, Whitfield accepted one year less on an average 100k less? Maybe not. Maybe they had yo do that. If so,,lobby the AFL to change free agency. Players can still move freely after 8 years, but the signing club has to pay some form of compensation. This will stop the outrageously generous offers thrown at our players.

Don't think we paid too much for Cadman and if it works out no one will care how much paid for at the time and even if it doesn't of course it'll suck but Cadman is exactly the kind of KPF you trade up for, no flight risk, rapid development, very productive at every level, heaps of room to grow, great athlete. There wasn't really much to pick at as a prospect, if it doesn't works out it'll be dissapointing but at least we know our process was sound and it was the right decsion. We also operate on a different pick economy to everyone else, we get picks in much higher quantities to everyone else due to our player turnover so paying up a bit extra doesn't hurt us as much as it would another team, doesn't mean it's alright to consistently cut corners on trades and always pay more then we have to but we can live with it every know and then and especially when it's a prospect like Cadman.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Don't think we paid too much for Cadman and if it works out no one will care how much paid for at the time and even if it doesn't of course it'll suck but Cadman is exactly the kind of KPF you trade up for, no flight risk, rapid development, very productive at every level, heaps of room to grow, great athlete. There wasn't really much to pick at as a prospect, if it works out it'll be dissapointing but at least we know our process was sound and it was the right decsion. We also operate on a different pick economy to everyone else, we get picks in much higher quantities to everyone else due to our player turnover so paying up a bit extra doesn't hurt us as much as it would another team, doesn't mean it's alright to consistently cut corners on trades and always pay more then we have to but we can live with it every know and then and especially when it's a prospect like Cadman.

We really didn't have much choice. Needed a forward. Couldn't take Cheezel.
We got two first rounders'.
Next year we will get two first rounders'.

 

[Hendo_21]

We really didn't have much choice. Needed a forward. Couldn't take Cheezel.
We got two first rounders'.
Next year we will get two first rounders'.

Wonder if this Richmond pick turns out a bit better then initally thought, wasn't overly impressed with what they served up against Carlton

 

[Giant Strides]

Wonder if this Richmond pick turns out a bit better then initally thought, wasn't overly impressed with what they served up against Carlton

Deathriding can be fun. Who can forget the joy that was 2021! No-one expected the Pies to finish that low on the ladder.

Can strike twice?

 

[Colonial]

Based on this re-signing of Himmelberg is going to be hard? Hopefully the offloading of Hopper and Toranto helps

Giant’s shock contract revealed as salary cap still a “major issue” for GWS

“That’s a lot of money for a 30-year-old.”

www.sen.com.au

Or and here me out, he is full of s**t.

 

[GWS Goose]

Based on this re-signing of Himmelberg is going to be hard? Hopefully the offloading of Hopper and Toranto helps

Giant’s shock contract revealed as salary cap still a “major issue” for GWS

“That’s a lot of money for a 30-year-old.”

www.sen.com.au

I severely dispute those numbers.

At the time, all of those contracts were reported signifcantly lower, I think it is all assumptions based on not much and flies in the face of what the club is putting out there.

I reckon McClure has a bone to pick with GWS at the moment.

 

[GWS Goose]

Wonder if this Richmond pick turns out a bit better then initally thought, wasn't overly impressed with what they served up against Carlton

that game was low quality.

if it had have been 2 lesser clubs they would have been heavily panned.

Would love that to come up to pick 5 or something.

We could throw in our pick 18 and move it up to a top 3 pick or something,

 

[Andre the Giant]

From memory he's a Dogs supporter... Go figure.

He’s a Carlton supporter.

 

[Brave New World]

From an article today by Jon Ralph dealing with general draft/trade matters:

"BATTLE OF THE BRIDGE HEATS UP OFF-FIELD

Sydney’s determination to be active in the trade market has them registering interest in cross-town swingman Harry Himmelberg.

Himmelberg took a mark of the year contender in the Giants’ round 1 victory over Adelaide but has been used back since the halfway mark of 2022 despite his unerring accuracy as a forward.

GWS is keen to keep him and believes he is seriously considering staying.

But given his free agency status clubs like Adelaide and Sydney will assess his market worth.

The Giants would not match a deal worth well over $700,000, which would also trigger first-round compensation.

Richmond’s first-round pick is already in the Giants’ keeping so if Himmelberg left they would have three top-15 picks in an upcoming superdraft.

But they would far prefer securing Himmelberg given his unique skillset at a club that has much of the salary cap tied up in elite midfielders."

 

[PaythePerryman]

I'd love 1 offseason where we don't lose a top 10 player at our club.