List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading

[latinoheat]

What’s happened to Sanders ? Has he been delisted or traded or is he still on leave ?

 

[LoBu]

Turner probably shouldn't have taken a pot shot on the way out, it now looks a little premature.

Hard to take back though.

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[cleanhands]

What’s happened to Sanders ? Has he been delisted or traded or is he still on leave ?

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[rabidcrow]

Apart from his size I don't get this at all..

VFL Stats - Tyler Brown

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Tyler Brown of the Adelaide Crows Career AFL Stats

Tyler Brown of Adelaide Crows career AFL statistics

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Surely we pick the best KPD or Ruck outside of the AFL - or have we now decided we need some bigger mids no matter how late we draft them or what mechanism we grab them


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[Mostyn]

I think we have enough mids we need to give rotations too - I'd throw an opportunity at a 21 year old tall. Absolutely don't care what role - give them a year and find out

 

[StickerMan]

I think we have enough mids we need to give rotations too - I'd throw an opportunity at a 21 year old tall. Absolutely don't care what role - give them a year and find out

This is kind of where my thinking is.

Is Tyler Brown going to offer anything more than this lot in the midfield rotation of our younger players?

Priority 1
Berry
Pedlar
Soligo
Schoenberg
Taylor
Rankine
Rachele

Priority 2
Sholl
Cook
Jones
McHenry
Dowling
Bond
Nankervis
Hately

All of these players are younger than Brown so not sure where our thinking is at with this option. IMO he is not getting a shot above the priority one crew listed above who are competing for midfield minutes with the following:

Laird
Keays
Sloane (shouldn't be, but will)
Crouch (see Sloane)
Dawson (should be a mid but remains to be seen)
Hinge (would love to see him on the wing)

 

[GreyCrow]

This is kind of where my thinking is.

Is Tyler Brown going to offer anything more than this lot in the midfield rotation of our younger players?

Its the same argument about Turner - not good enough to push out a player his age group and taking a development spot of a player younger.

Appreciate the idea of experience and filling the age hole in our list but at what cost?

Brown may be that 1 player we need but we need KPP much more urgently imo

 

[WeeBlake]

I would have thought we should pick from one of these groups, given our list and needs:
1. Overlooked 19-24 year old with recent dominant 2nd tier form
2. Overlooked 18-19 year old project player
3. Depth player in position of need

I just can’t see how Brown fits into any of these categories.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Brown is ****ing madness, to go along with the Turner selection

 

[martyparty]

Tyler Brown would give the Crows another father-son player .
Maybe Adelaide sees Brown as a replacement for Seeds who I think turns 31 this year. Brown is only an inch shorter than Seeds and played most of his VFL games on the wing or in defence.

 

[LoBu]

This is kind of where my thinking is.

Is Tyler Brown going to offer anything more than this lot in the midfield rotation of our younger players?

Priority 1
Berry
Pedlar
Soligo
Schoenberg
Taylor
Rankine
Rachele

Priority 2
Sholl
Cook
Jones
McHenry
Dowling
Bond
Nankervis
Hately

All of these players are younger than Brown so not sure where our thinking is at with this option. IMO he is not getting a shot above the priority one crew listed above who are competing for midfield minutes with the following:

Laird
Keays
Sloane (shouldn't be, but will)
Crouch (see Sloane)
Dawson (should be a mid but remains to be seen)
Hinge (would love to see him on the wing)

I think it's worth considering the type of player Brown is/ could be as well;

He's a tall insider midfielder who gets the ball and handballs out to the outside.

Looking at your list, I only see competition with:

Berry
Hately
Crouch

Then there is Dowling and possibly Nankervis.

Brown is lightly framed underager in draft year who clearly has a way to go. His problem appears to be a low possession count, and possibly living up to his dad's fierce reputation. After a great start to his career, he hasn't set the world on fire, but we clearly see something. I wonder if Burgess sees something?

I don't disagree with the call for a tall/ KPD etc, but Brown is auditioning for a position that is not taken.

Getting Brown to train puts huge pressure on Hately in his contract year, but that's not a bad thing. Not sure how they both go in the SANFL though. One has to go to the wing.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

No harm in him training with us but he’d want to go very well , almost dominate match sim for us to take him

Would rather have the list spot open for mid season draft and on the hunt for a project ruck or dominant key defender from early season

 

[Crows I Am]

I think it's worth considering the type of player Brown is/ could be as well;

He's a tall insider midfielder who gets the ball and handballs out to the outside.

Looking at your list, I only see competition with:

Berry
Hately
Crouch

Then there is Dowling and possibly Nankervis.

Brown is lightly framed underager in draft year who clearly has a way to go. His problem appears to be a low possession count, and possibly living up to his dad's fierce reputation. After a great start to his career, he hasn't set the world on fire, but we clearly see something. I wonder if Burgess sees something?

I don't disagree with the call for a tall/ KPD etc, but Brown is auditioning for a position that is not taken.

Getting Brown to train puts huge pressure on Hately in his contract year, but that's not a bad thing. Not sure how they both go in the SANFL though. One has to go to the wing.

I agree that there is not much competition for that tall inside mid, but is it critical that we have one in the side? There is only limited spots available in the midfield, you just need as much quality as you can get in there. I don't think there is an exact formula of the what sort of players you put in there.

We just have so many midfield options now, surely we can find the right mix now with what we have drafted. I don't see the point in adding Brown as even more depth. What we are missing is that blue chip A grade mid, which the best way to get that is with our first pick this year.

To me, it would make so much more sense to add a KPD as back up to Murray and Butts. If one of those guys goes down we are then relying on Worrell or Doedee to play on the opposition key forward.

 

[Hodgy]

I think it's worth considering the type of player Brown is/ could be as well;

He's a tall insider midfielder who gets the ball and handballs out to the outside.

Looking at your list, I only see competition with:

Berry
Hately
Crouch

Then there is Dowling and possibly Nankervis.

Brown is lightly framed underager in draft year who clearly has a way to go. His problem appears to be a low possession count, and possibly living up to his dad's fierce reputation. After a great start to his career, he hasn't set the world on fire, but we clearly see something. I wonder if Burgess sees something?

I don't disagree with the call for a tall/ KPD etc, but Brown is auditioning for a position that is not taken.

Getting Brown to train puts huge pressure on Hately in his contract year, but that's not a bad thing. Not sure how they both go in the SANFL though. One has to go to the wing.

100% agree. We have ignored the taller big bodied midfielder position so criminally that anyone in this mould is worth a shot. He doesn’t get as much of the ball as you would like but I’ve always felt that he uses it very well both sides and by hand, and he has become quite a strong kid.

I also keep thinking of Keays and the fact that being delisted obviously lit a fire under him to the point where he is one of the hardest working players that I have ever seen. Maybe we will see that with Tyler. It certainly isn’t costing anything at this point, however I would still much prefer to see us take Sybkowski.

 

[baldandbroke]

Brown is ******* madness, to go along with the Turner selection

I’m probably just confused … but hasn’t this board been screaming that our Midfield is a barren wasteland filled with average short people that desperately needs a bigger body?

When did it flip to us being stacked in the middle and idiotically ignoring our key position players?

Just since Fish was officially removed from the list? I recall some tears when we let Billy go with some saying we are moronic to let all our backup talls leave - even though they were only a small step up from witches hats in most games.

We are rebuilding. There are going to be holes.

I’m keen to see if Brown can reset, I seem to remember his early games he looked quite good … and hasn’t he been going ok at VFL level? Gotta be an improvement on Crouch / Hately!!

 

[George CantStandYa]

I’m probably just confused … but hasn’t this board been screaming that our Midfield is a barren wasteland filled with average short people that desperately needs a bigger body?

When did it flip to us being stacked in the middle and idiotically ignoring our key position players?

Just since Fish was officially removed from the list? I recall some tears when we let Billy go with some saying we are moronic to let all our backup talls leave - even though they were only a small step up from witches hats in most games.

We are rebuilding. There are going to be holes.

I’m keen to see if Brown can reset, I seem to remember his early games he looked quite good … and hasn’t he been going ok at VFL level? Gotta be an improvement on Crouch / Hately!!

Yes you are confused. The board has been crying out for quality mids and expecting some of them to not be short arses.

We drafted another 2 mids and technically 3 if you count Rankine playing some midfield.

Brown has been cut, he’s not the quality we are after. He will now add depth to our midfield, that’s it.

We have zero key position defenders as back up and one back up ruck on the list.

It’s called list balance.

 

[Mutineer]

100% agree. We have ignored the taller big bodied midfielder position so criminally that anyone in this mould is worth a shot. He doesn’t get as much of the ball as you would like but I’ve always felt that he uses it very well both sides and by hand, and he has become quite a strong kid.

I also keep thinking of Keays and the fact that being delisted obviously lit a fire under him to the point where he is one of the hardest working players that I have ever seen. Maybe we will see that with Tyler. It certainly isn’t costing anything at this point, however I would still much prefer to see us take Sybkowski.

Mitch Szybkowski is training with the Bombers...From what I heard there were some big ????'s on his endurance for midffield at AFL level.

I'd much sooner have given a tryout to a couple of SA KPP lads Shaun Bennier or Brodie Tuck.

 

[Apsaalooke]

If Brown is the inside midfielder who can stop other teams, even North Melbourne, walking the ball out of centre bounces, then get him.
If he isn’t, then find a decent tall like St Kilda did with Callum Wilkie as a rookie.

 

[StickerMan]

I think it's worth considering the type of player Brown is/ could be as well;

He's a tall insider midfielder who gets the ball and handballs out to the outside.

Looking at your list, I only see competition with:

Berry
Hately
Crouch

Then there is Dowling and possibly Nankervis.

Brown is lightly framed underager in draft year who clearly has a way to go. His problem appears to be a low possession count, and possibly living up to his dad's fierce reputation. After a great start to his career, he hasn't set the world on fire, but we clearly see something. I wonder if Burgess sees something?

I don't disagree with the call for a tall/ KPD etc, but Brown is auditioning for a position that is not taken.

Getting Brown to train puts huge pressure on Hately in his contract year, but that's not a bad thing. Not sure how they both go in the SANFL though. One has to go to the wing.

I personally think the concept of the tall midfielder is overrated. Yes, it would be great to have a girth of 190cm midfielders that are elite. However, I would much rather an elite midfielder rather than a tall midfielder.

Brisbane midfield goes alright and in 2022 they had one bloke over 190cm run through there (Jarrod Berry).

I'd much rather give midfield time to some of our young guys rather than Tyler Brown as I am bullish on our young crop coming through, despite their heights:

Berry - 182cm
Pedlar - 182cm
Soligo - 180cm
Schoenberg - 182cm
Taylor - 180cm
Rankine - 181cm
Rachele - 180cm

You mention Berry but he isn't what you would class as a tall midfielder. Jordan Dawson at 192cm is our guy, however.

I think I'd prefer to look at turning someone like Tom Doedee, Lachie Gollant or Luke Nankervis into a tall midfielder and go get a KPD as a backup option.

The question remains as to whether there is any KPDs of note available to be selected.

 

[LoBu]

Yes you are confused. The board has been crying out for quality mids and expecting some of them to not be short arses.

We drafted another 2 mids and technically 3 if you count Rankine playing some midfield.

Brown has been cut, he’s not the quality we are after. He will now add depth to our midfield, that’s it.

We have zero key position defenders as back up and one back up ruck on the list.

It’s called list balance.

The question is, can defensive patterns and zoning negate a KPF such as Max King without matching him for height? If so, then Murrary, Borlase, Worrell and Doedee are our back up if Butts is injured. We've tried this before (without suceess) but we have Worrell in the team now.

When was the last time defenders lined up one on one?

 

[WeeBlake]

Being tall is something that might make a midfielder more capable. It’s not a reason to pick a mid on it’s own. Im sure match committee wouldn’t sit down and say ‘oh, we have to pick a tall mid each week’.

I think the reservation is not that he’s a tall mid and we have plenty already, but that he doesn’t seem to be a good mid, even after a few years on an afl list, and that for a speculative psd pick you should be aiming for other kinds of players (inc other tall mids) that might have more upside.

 

[Jarman3]

What’s happened to Sanders ? Has he been delisted or traded or is he still on leave ?

The veterans come back from the off season break later than the rest.

 

[baldandbroke]

Yes you are confused. The board has been crying out for quality mids and expecting some of them to not be short arses.

We drafted another 2 mids and technically 3 if you count Rankine playing some midfield.

Brown has been cut, he’s not the quality we are after. He will now add depth to our midfield, that’s it.

We have zero key position defenders as back up and one back up ruck on the list.

It’s called list balance.

It's called a rebuild.

List balance is not even in the top 10 of our concerns right now ... and IT IS hilarious how quick some on here are to move to the next whine.

Finding a key position defender cannot be something you are worried about. Surely. We are bottom half team full of youth and some good top end. The middle spots will mostly come from our existing list + some trades.

We will be found out by the better teams with structures that we cannot match.

Not a major issue in our current reality.

Adding someone like Brown to the last spot in our current playing list for 2023 should not give anyone headaches.

 

[BRL121]

I personally think the concept of the tall midfielder is overrated. Yes, it would be great to have a girth of 190cm midfielders that are elite. However, I would much rather an elite midfielder rather than a tall midfielder.

Brisbane midfield goes alright and in 2022 they had one bloke over 190cm run through there (Jarrod Berry).

I'd much rather give midfield time to some of our young guys rather than Tyler Brown as I am bullish on our young crop coming through, despite their heights:

Berry - 182cm
Pedlar - 182cm
Soligo - 180cm
Schoenberg - 182cm
Taylor - 180cm
Rankine - 181cm
Rachele - 180cm

You mention Berry but he isn't what you would class as a tall midfielder. Jordan Dawson at 192cm is our guy, however.

I think I'd prefer to look at turning someone like Tom Doedee, Lachie Gollant or Luke Nankervis into a tall midfielder and go get a KPD as a backup option.

The question remains as to whether there is any KPDs of note available to be selected.

If you had midfielders with 190 cm girth, they would be obese, hardly elite.

 

[Golumless]

I agree that there is not much competition for that tall inside mid, but is it critical that we have one in the side? There is only limited spots available in the midfield, you just need as much quality as you can get in there. I don't think there is an exact formula of the what sort of players you put in there.

We just have so many midfield options now, surely we can find the right mix now with what we have drafted. I don't see the point in adding Brown as even more depth. What we are missing is that blue chip A grade mid, which the best way to get that is with our first pick this year.

To me, it would make so much more sense to add a KPD as back up to Murray and Butts. If one of those guys goes down we are then relying on Worrell or Doedee to play on the opposition key forward.

A tall mid is not critical, but it's handy to have as a point of difference. We also don't have that many midfield options at this point. A lot of wannabes, not a lot of is.

Also nothing wrong with Worrell being forced to mind a KPF if Butts/Murray go down with an injury. It's not his main game, but equally, it's an opportunity for Josh to really cement himself as one of the best defensive prospects in the league seeing he's definitely got the offensive side. That said, I think we'll see Himmelberg switched to defense. Seems to make the most sense with our list.