List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread - Pt2 Now With Added Wailing & Gnashing of Teeth

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

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[Paracleet]

SOS seems like a genuine incompetent to me. To the point of it diminishing Ross in my eyes for wanting him on staff.

I don't think Barret is being a mailbox here though. I think it's his genuine (in so far as he has thought about it) opinion.

Like a lot of people in footy media land his skills don't lie in that direction. There are many* people on here with far superior abilities in picking talent, assessing trade value and all the complicated threads that influence that value etc. BUT he imagines he does have them just by virtue of being in the position he is in.

That and they are all instinctively good trollers. Needa the clickzzz.


*Well, quite a number anyway.

 

[One_Wing]

The media: bend over and take whatever from SOS for Henry and his distinct uptick in form (which we won't mention, only the 40 games over 4 years) this year indicating a breakout with about 25 touches a game.

Also the media: Stephens is worth an end of first because bla bla bla averages 13 touches this year.


What I want to know is, are there list managers that try and use the media coverage as a bargaining chip? Or is this just to generate clicks because all Saints/Swans fans see it and click to get excited and all Freo/North fans click to get outraged?

afl media: Freo players are shit and they should accept a future fourth for them and be happy


afl media the next year: Wow this player is so amazing, how on earth did 'vic team' get them for such a bargain. Truly moneyball list management

 

[Tonga Bob]

Send it to Damo

 

[King Huskii]

SOS seems like a genuine incompetent to me. To the point of it diminishing Ross in my eyes for wanting him on staff.

I don't think Barret is being a mailbox here though. I think it's his genuine (in so far as he has thought about it) opinion.

Like a lot of people in footy media land his skills don't lie in that direction. There are many* people on here with far superior abilities in picking talent, assessing trade value and all the complicated threads that influence that value etc. BUT he imagines he does have them just by virtue of being in the position he is in.

That and they are all instinctively good trollers. Needa the clickzzz.


*Well, quite a number anyway.

Yeah I'd be good at it

 

[Dockeroo]

Our third round pick from North just moved back one spot.
Dees slotting in at 39 either James Jordon Compo

Picks 22 and 42 right now

 

[Taylor]

Port Adelaide are losing a lot of wingers the last couple of seasons.

 

[freo1997]

Want to hear from the club stating that they are prepared to send Henry to PSD if there is no adequate return.

Play hardball especially with SOS.

 

[nurries]

Our third round pick from North just moved back one spot.
Dees slotting in at 39 either James Jordon Compo

Picks 22 and 42 right now

That will come in when there is some pick bundling for GC and possibly WB for Croft

 

[oldgoat]

Want to hear from the club stating that they are prepared to send Henry to PSD if there is no adequate return.

Play hardball especially with SOS.

Yeah...dont worry, Saints have been told.

SOS: "do you think Belly would..?"
Ross: "dont worry mate he'll do it!"

 

[Dockeroo]

By the time all these free agents are gone though our second selection in the draft will be closer to 50 than 40….
Mckay
Doodee
Gresham

Will all be pushing us back to 45 from 42.

Potentially Hamling would slot us in there somehere around 50.

Our draft hand is pretty shite in reality

 

[freo1997]

By the time all these free agents are gone though our second selection in the draft will be closer to 50 than 40….
Mckay
Doodee
Gresham

Will all be pushing us back to 45 from 42.

Potentially Hamling would slot us in there somehere around 50.

Our draft hand is pretty shite in reality

Besides a FP we don’t need anymore young talent. Look at the list. We need to replace the exiting experience if anything.

Reckon we’ll bring in mature talent in the draft.

 

[Paracleet]

The posturing from St Kilda is probably still worthwhile in that as the trade period goes on Fremantle might be in a position where having a particular resource in hand would enable them to complete some trade up or other objective. I.E. If there is a chance we might accept less than we initially demand as circumstances change.
I'd say the chance of us accepting a third rounder only is close to 0 but if getting an extra second and a third or two extra thirds is the difference between getting well into the first round and not we'd probably do it. BTW without devoting hours of thought to it we probably don't quite have the currency we need to get up the order significantly without whatever we get for Henry, unless we are prepared for our second and third picks to be after 40.

 

[freo_leo29]

By the time all these free agents are gone though our second selection in the draft will be closer to 50 than 40….
Mckay
Doodee
Gresham

Will all be pushing us back to 45 from 42.

Potentially Hamling would slot us in there somehere around 50.

Our draft hand is pretty shite in reality

We are going to bundle everything up I reckon


It's gonna be interesting, it could honestly come down to a draft night trad with good coast where we simply give them everything we have to move up the board


I think that's our best chance, gc aren't gonna have the list spots before the draft


I hope we only take 3 nd picks, 1 high and 2 late

Then 2 rookies to round it out

 

[Joao]

The posturing from St Kilda is probably still worthwhile in that as the trade period goes on Fremantle might be in a position where having a particular resource in hand would enable them to complete some trade up or other objective. I.E. If there is a chance we might accept less than we initially demand as circumstances change.
I'd say the chance of us accepting a third rounder only is close to 0 but if getting an extra second and a third or two extra thirds is the difference between getting well into the first round and not we'd probably do it. BTW without devoting hours of thought to it we probably don't quite have the currency we need to get up the order significantly without whatever we get for Henry, unless we are prepared for our second and third picks to be after 40.

Wallsy is kind of giving off that vibe in his interviews atm.

With so many teams needing points there must be opportunities for a club like us to package up a bunch of mediocre picks for something good.

 

[freo1997]

The club talks about the experience exited us last year.

Henry beat 22
Hamling just outside 22
Colyer was still competent player and good depth.
Wilson was cooked.

So our squad gets younger and less leadership at Peel??? Yeah not sure about this Freo.

 

[s_wd6]

The club talks about the experience exited us last year.

Henry beat 22
Hamling just outside 22
Colyer was still competent player and good depth.
Wilson was cooked.

So our squad gets younger and less leadership at Peel??? Yeah not sure about this Freo.

And what do you want them to do about it? Trade out our most experienced ruck?

 

[Joao]

The club talks about the experience exited us last year.

Henry beat 22
Hamling just outside 22
Colyer was still competent player and good depth.
Wilson was cooked.

So our squad gets younger and less leadership at Peel??? Yeah not sure about this Freo.

Well we want Henry and Hamling (at the right price) to stay and we have to turn over at least 3 players as a requirement. I know the other two are experienced by neither played much anyway or are that good anymore.

 

[freo1997]

And what do you want them to do about it? Trade out our most experienced ruck?

That’s a seperate story. I would ask for A graders in return ffs. He is staying we move on now campaigner.

I’m talking about depth players. Seasoned depth players. We are losing 4 and replacing with 18 year olds.

 

[Sully90]

The club talks about the experience exited us last year.

Henry beat 22
Hamling just outside 22
Colyer was still competent player and good depth.
Wilson was cooked.

So our squad gets younger and less leadership at Peel??? Yeah not sure about this Freo.

What do you expect them to do about Henry and Hamling? Chain them to the clubhouse?

 

[Joao]

What do you expect them to do about Henry and Hamling? Chain them to the clubhouse?

Do we get more from the saints if he's chained?

 

[freo1997]

What do you expect them to do about Henry and Hamling? Chain them to the clubhouse?

Look at DFA or mature talent. The rebuild is over we can’t keep losing experience from here on out.

Start of a rebuild it’s fine.

 

[Sewell21]

Basic trade with St Kilda for Henry that is a points value of pick 24.

Freo Out
22, 56, Henry

Freo In
12, 32

 

[Docker82]

The club talks about the experience exited us last year.

Henry beat 22
Hamling just outside 22
Colyer was still competent player and good depth.
Wilson was cooked.

So our squad gets younger and less leadership at Peel??? Yeah not sure about this Freo.

Not sure Colyer and Wilson really make much difference given how many games they've played.

You can't just delist the Eric Bennings of the world every year and expect to have adequate list turnover to not find yourself in trouble a few years down the track.

It is what it is with Henry and Hamling. Losing Hamling only hurts next year potentially though - losing Henry is a longer term issue.

 

[Joao]

Look at DFA or mature talent. The rebuild is over we can’t keep losing experience from here on out.

Start of a rebuild it’s fine.

I think you have to let the over-the-hill dudes fall off the end of the list. Keeping on experienced that you can't play because they suck now I don't think helps. I think the answer would be different of we didn't have Fyfe, Walters and Tabs on the list.


It's the Henrys leaving that's the problem but that's well discussed.

 

[Paracleet]

Wallsy is kind of giving off that vibe in his interviews atm.

With so many teams needing points there must be opportunities for a club like us to package up a bunch of mediocre picks for something good.

Yep. Say (and it won't be like this but of this sort) Henry 42, 60, F3 for 32, 52 and an F2. This values Henry as high 20s but because of the particular situation this year; So many clubs needing points and needing to get rid of 1st round picks, the hand of 22, 32, 52 and 56 and two F2's is worth a lot more than normal.
Particularly from the perspective of getting in front of West Coasts 2nd and 3rd picks which might be our objective for a change. The dirties have neatly stymied themselves. They can't trade their Future 2nd and 3rds they are too valuable and they're insisting on not trading experienced players out to get some currency (even one would be enough, they don't have to go to town). Hope springs eternal that their cup of bathwater continues to runneth over.