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ubiquitous226 said:
My memory was there were a lot of people keen on JVR from early in the year, including me.
I took quite a while to even learn of Amiss' existence haha.

This was fun reading;
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Jye Amiss Draft Profile

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I’ll put my hand up and admit I was in the JVR + Johnson camp for our first two picks, very glad to be proven wrong about Amiss and extremely glad we managed to nab Johnson with our third pick.
Jury still out on Erasmus though. I still don’t see top 10 player in him, hopefully a breakout season next year for him.
 
pK75 said:
I’ll put my hand up and admit I was in the JVR + Johnson camp for our first two picks, very glad to be proven wrong about Amiss and extremely glad we managed to nab Johnson with our third pick.
Jury still out on Erasmus though. I still don’t see top 10 player in him, hopefully a breakout season next year for him.
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Ras will be good I reckon, but they should give him free rein as the roaming inside mid who just sheepdogs every contest to tackle, extract or disrupt. Use his running power and strength to his advantage.
 
I feel like the only place players are given free rein is in the ammos these days. They are trained to play their roles instinctively at afl level.
 

Oscar McDonald and Jeremy Sharp shape as replacements for Fremantle’s big name departures​

The departures of Joel Hamling, Liam Henry and Lachie Schultz were a blow for Fremantle, but as MARK DUFFIELD writes, the Dockers are getting creative with mature-age replacements.


4 min read
November 3, 2023 - 4:18PM

Operation replacement is quietly underway at Fremantle.

Much has been made of the departures. The arrivals will not generate as much fanfare but the Dockers have specifically targeted at least two players for summer arrival and may yet take a similar approach to the national draft later in the month depending on player availability when they take their first pick in the second round.
The first piece of the jigsaw which fell into place this week was the signing of Oscar McDonald - the tall defender brought in as coverage for Joel Hamling who has left to join Sydney.
The second part of the puzzle is set to be wingman Jeremy Sharp who is expected to join the club before the end of summer - although the mechanism by which he gets there is not yet clear. Sharp will be the player specifically targeted to replace Liam Henry, who has left to join St Kilda.
And while there is no guarantee that two “gems” from the VFL will be available to the Dockers when they take their down the order draft picks, the club is known to have put a lot of work into Werribee pair Sam Clohesy and Shaun Mannagh.
Clohesy, a rebounding defender, may be required as Fremantle look likely to set Hayden Young for a midfield role next year. Mannagh shapes as a potential replacement for small forward Lachie Schultz, who blindsided the club with his request for a trade to Collingwood.
Here are Fremantle’s outs against their ins and potential ins and their significance to the playing list of a club trying to bounce back from a disappointing 14th in 2023.

Out: Joel Hamling | In: Oscar McDonald
Already signed and sealed, this deal is much more significant than the games played indicates. Hamling, 30, had played only six games since the end of the 2019 season thanks to a serious ankle injury, complications from it suffered in the Covid-19 hub and then the emergence of Alex Pearce and Brennan Cox as the club’s two preferred tall defenders. Hamling had finished sixth, seventh and seventh in Docker best and fairests before the injuries and in four games last year indicated he was physically back to somewhere near his best.
McDonald played 81 games for Melbourne between 2015 and 2020 including 25 games in 2018 when the Demons made a preliminary final. But his career looked over when he managed just five games in two seasons at Carlton in 2021 and 2022 where he was hampered by back issues. Back to his best physically at the age of 27 at Williamstown last year he enjoyed a stellar season in the VFL and was picked in the team of the year.
Significance: Depth. He might not play much at all but with young tall defenders Hugh Davies and Josh Draper still very raw he will play a lot if either Cox or Pearce are hurt.

Out: Liam Henry | In: Jeremy Sharp
Expected to be secured after the upcoming national draft. Two genuine ‘sliding doors’ moments here for Sharp. He and Henry had starred in the same WA Under 18s team, had been picked in the same draft and until the end of 2022 had had similar AFL careers. Henry had played 26 games for Fremantle, Sharp 23 at Gold Coast including 12 in 2022. Sharp hoped to be traded to Fremantle at the end of the season as a wingman but the trade couldn’t be done. He fell out of favour at the Gold Coast and didn’t play an AFL game at all in 2023 while Henry who had played only seven times in 2022 played 16 games in 2023 as a wingman. Sharp will not be a walk up start for Fremantle’s best team but at 22, with a big tank, he will bring a lot of the attributes they will want on the wing Henry leaves vacant as he leaves to join St Kilda.
Significance: Depth at least and potentially a spot in the best team. Sharp was a dual All-Australian at under 18 level and has the running power and potential to be an AFL player. Fremantle has a vacant spot for him to slot into.

(L-R) Lachie Schultz (Out), Shaun Mannagh (Potential in)

(L-R) Lachie Schultz (Out), Shaun Mannagh (Potential in)
Out: Lachie Schultz | Potential In: Shaun Mannagh (Werribee)
Schultz turns 26 later this year, Mannagh is 26 and has just come off a six goal performance in the VFL grand final. A lot to play out here because the Dockers would have to take Mannagh through the draft and they don’t take their first pick until the second round but he is one of two Werribee players (rebounding defender Clohesy is the other) Fremantle have put a lot of time and research into over the season. Either or both appeal as AFL footballers and their Werribee coach Michael Barlow, himself a former Docker, reckons both players belong on AFL lists. Schultz is a significant loss. He has managed 30 goals in the last two seasons. His 33 this season put him equal second on the Dockers goal kicking list and he was regarded as the team’s best score involvement player and their best tackle pressure forward. Mannagh is compact, quick and a good finisher. If he is still there when Fremantle finally enter this draft they will be tempted. Mannagh’s grand final performance wasn’t a one-off; he kicked bags of seven, four and three earlier in the season for Werribee.
Significance: The Dockers may look younger with East Fremantle’s Koen Sanchez a similar type of player who may still be on the board around their draft picks but Mannagh’s VFL form and his grand final performance shape as strong recommendations and he would be a strong contender for a spot in the club’s best team.
 

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Sharp - Expected to be picked up after drafts.

That is exactly my belief as well. Earmarked as SSP. He can start formally training immediately following RD which happens to be first day of pre-season 22/11/2023 (due ND being a week earlier this year). Get two weeks of training in to then confirm via SSP rookie.

Sam Clohesy turns only 21 in Dec. A number of clubs are putting time into him so he will likely need to be selected inside 40. Mannagh a possibility just after that. He could be an option with our current second pick, which prob sit around 45 after all bids.

I still think we will look to move up at least one of our picks. I’d like for at least 2 picks inside 40 and a third doesn’t matter.
 
There has to be another Lachie Shultz/Paul Puopolo mature plug and play small forward somewhere in the local leagues. Just need to find him.
 
greatgatsby said:

Oscar McDonald and Jeremy Sharp shape as replacements for Fremantle’s big name departures​

The departures of Joel Hamling, Liam Henry and Lachie Schultz were a blow for Fremantle, but as MARK DUFFIELD writes, the Dockers are getting creative with mature-age replacements.


4 min read
November 3, 2023 - 4:18PM

Operation replacement is quietly underway at Fremantle.

Much has been made of the departures. The arrivals will not generate as much fanfare but the Dockers have specifically targeted at least two players for summer arrival and may yet take a similar approach to the national draft later in the month depending on player availability when they take their first pick in the second round.
The first piece of the jigsaw which fell into place this week was the signing of Oscar McDonald - the tall defender brought in as coverage for Joel Hamling who has left to join Sydney.
The second part of the puzzle is set to be wingman Jeremy Sharp who is expected to join the club before the end of summer - although the mechanism by which he gets there is not yet clear. Sharp will be the player specifically targeted to replace Liam Henry, who has left to join St Kilda.
And while there is no guarantee that two “gems” from the VFL will be available to the Dockers when they take their down the order draft picks, the club is known to have put a lot of work into Werribee pair Sam Clohesy and Shaun Mannagh.
Clohesy, a rebounding defender, may be required as Fremantle look likely to set Hayden Young for a midfield role next year. Mannagh shapes as a potential replacement for small forward Lachie Schultz, who blindsided the club with his request for a trade to Collingwood.
Here are Fremantle’s outs against their ins and potential ins and their significance to the playing list of a club trying to bounce back from a disappointing 14th in 2023.

Out: Joel Hamling | In: Oscar McDonald
Already signed and sealed, this deal is much more significant than the games played indicates. Hamling, 30, had played only six games since the end of the 2019 season thanks to a serious ankle injury, complications from it suffered in the Covid-19 hub and then the emergence of Alex Pearce and Brennan Cox as the club’s two preferred tall defenders. Hamling had finished sixth, seventh and seventh in Docker best and fairests before the injuries and in four games last year indicated he was physically back to somewhere near his best.
McDonald played 81 games for Melbourne between 2015 and 2020 including 25 games in 2018 when the Demons made a preliminary final. But his career looked over when he managed just five games in two seasons at Carlton in 2021 and 2022 where he was hampered by back issues. Back to his best physically at the age of 27 at Williamstown last year he enjoyed a stellar season in the VFL and was picked in the team of the year.
Significance: Depth. He might not play much at all but with young tall defenders Hugh Davies and Josh Draper still very raw he will play a lot if either Cox or Pearce are hurt.

Out: Liam Henry | In: Jeremy Sharp
Expected to be secured after the upcoming national draft. Two genuine ‘sliding doors’ moments here for Sharp. He and Henry had starred in the same WA Under 18s team, had been picked in the same draft and until the end of 2022 had had similar AFL careers. Henry had played 26 games for Fremantle, Sharp 23 at Gold Coast including 12 in 2022. Sharp hoped to be traded to Fremantle at the end of the season as a wingman but the trade couldn’t be done. He fell out of favour at the Gold Coast and didn’t play an AFL game at all in 2023 while Henry who had played only seven times in 2022 played 16 games in 2023 as a wingman. Sharp will not be a walk up start for Fremantle’s best team but at 22, with a big tank, he will bring a lot of the attributes they will want on the wing Henry leaves vacant as he leaves to join St Kilda.
Significance: Depth at least and potentially a spot in the best team. Sharp was a dual All-Australian at under 18 level and has the running power and potential to be an AFL player. Fremantle has a vacant spot for him to slot into.

(L-R) Lachie Schultz (Out), Shaun Mannagh (Potential in)

(L-R) Lachie Schultz (Out), Shaun Mannagh (Potential in)
Out: Lachie Schultz | Potential In: Shaun Mannagh (Werribee)
Schultz turns 26 later this year, Mannagh is 26 and has just come off a six goal performance in the VFL grand final. A lot to play out here because the Dockers would have to take Mannagh through the draft and they don’t take their first pick until the second round but he is one of two Werribee players (rebounding defender Clohesy is the other) Fremantle have put a lot of time and research into over the season. Either or both appeal as AFL footballers and their Werribee coach Michael Barlow, himself a former Docker, reckons both players belong on AFL lists. Schultz is a significant loss. He has managed 30 goals in the last two seasons. His 33 this season put him equal second on the Dockers goal kicking list and he was regarded as the team’s best score involvement player and their best tackle pressure forward. Mannagh is compact, quick and a good finisher. If he is still there when Fremantle finally enter this draft they will be tempted. Mannagh’s grand final performance wasn’t a one-off; he kicked bags of seven, four and three earlier in the season for Werribee.
Significance: The Dockers may look younger with East Fremantle’s Koen Sanchez a similar type of player who may still be on the board around their draft picks but Mannagh’s VFL form and his grand final performance shape as strong recommendations and he would be a strong contender for a spot in the club’s best team.
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I am quite excited about the prospect of getting Sharp. Appreciate that he probably has some limitations, but I have seen him doing damaging wing stuff in some games and would much prefer that action to the dinky cheap possessions and missed goals from 30m out that Henry had to offer.
 
Of course we’re looking at another half back flanker…
“ Clohesy, a rebounding defender, may be required as Fremantle look likely to set Hayden Young for a midfield role next year. ”

Actually makes sense if Young is permanently in the middle and we’re serious about trialling Chapman on a wing.
 
Dockernut said:
I am quite excited about the prospect of getting Sharp. Appreciate that he probably has some limitations, but I have seen him doing damaging wing stuff in some games and would much prefer that action to the dinky cheap possessions and missed goals from 30m out that Henry had to offer.
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Is he going to be best 22?
 
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Incredibly, a club that turned their much-desired pick 4 into four first-round picks (and 4100 draft points this year) will be out improve its hand again on draft night.

If clubs bid on their four academy players at 2, 8, 12 and 20, they would need 4996 points.

The Suns, already holding 24, 26, 27, 32, 38, 66, 71 and 84, will be out to make a further three draft-night trades to get more points for picks 24 and 26.
West Coast (picks 1, 23) is interested in securing a third pick within 25, while Fremantle is also keen to get up from its initial pick (34).
Brisbane (with 30 as its first pick) and Richmond (which has picks 29 and 41) could also be contenders for 24 or 26.

The Roos are making noises they will bid on physical beast Walter at pick 2, with the 194cm marking tall unique, given his desperation to chase and tackle as well as control the skies.

Read, who ran a sub six minute 2km time trial and is being referred to as footy’s next unicorn, could play as a key back despite his reputation as a hard-running ruckman. The 202cm tall will attract a bid around 7-10.

Rogers, all 172cm of him, is a Miller clone, while tall mid Will Graham was so impressive at the draft combine with top-three results in the 20m sprint, standing vertical jump and running vertical jump, the Suns are bracing to match a bid in the top 20.

The Suns will still have list spots to pick up delisted free agents after the draft, with St Kilda’s Dan McKenzie one prospect given his running power on the wing.”
 
pK75 said:
Of course we’re looking at another half back flanker…
“ Clohesy, a rebounding defender, may be required as Fremantle look likely to set Hayden Young for a midfield role next year. ”

Actually makes sense if Young is permanently in the middle and we’re serious about trialling Chapman on a wing.
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Also makes sense given the delisting of Wilson and the fact Hughes is 29 before next season starts.

Depth off half back was a strength but it’ll become a weakness in 2-3 years if we don’t recruit more HBFs. It’ll get a few negative comments but recruiting another HBF this year actually makes a lot of sense.
 

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MakeshiftMartyr said:
He may not be in our best 22 players, but you'd think he'd be a shoe-in structurally unless he doesn't put the work in.
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I think his tank's ok. Just he seems to offer not much more than that at the level.

It's early days, which allows time to improve, so that's something to get excited about. But looking at his "best" games for Gold Coast (even his highlights), that being the array of what he brings, we'd not be doing very well with it all if that's best 22.
 
arsesmart said:
I think his tank's ok. Just he seems to offer not much more than that at the level.

It's early days, which allows time to improve, so that's something to get excited about. But looking at his "best" games for Gold Coast (even his highlights), that being the array of what he brings, we'd not be doing very well with it all if that's best 22.
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I think he’s a good baseline to have in the squad, personally think Stanley and NOD have higher ceiling’s but are coming from a long way back, will be interesting to see what happens over the preseason.
 
MakeshiftMartyr said:
He may not be in our best 22 players, but you'd think he'd be a shoe-in structurally unless he doesn't put the work in.
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Assuming one wing position goes to Aish, candidates for the other wing include;
NOD
Johnson
Chapman
Frederick
Erasmus
Jackson
Stanley

My priority would be fast tracking the development of Johnson and Erasmus as well as exploring the transition of Chapman into a different position. That likely happens via the wing position.

Closely behind that would be finding out the best way to weaponise Jackson. Wing should be considered.

If Stanley has a big preseason I would look closely at him too.

Assuming Sharp joins I would make him earn the position and task him with addressing the areas of his game that have kept him from establishing himself before he gets that single opportunity. Wing appears to be his only position.

Longmuir's lack of creative thinking is a positive for Sharp though, and despite my comments above I think he is a good addition to the list.
 

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My opinion is that it takes time to understand the role and build the tank to develop in to a top level wing. Acres was a spud in all but his last 2 years, Langdon elevated his game after us and we know Henry (although not top level yet) has only developed late this year. Sharp has had 4 years in the system, has the tank, and if listed, a new environment that might be more suited to to learn from.

I’m quite bullish on him being best 22 by end of 2024.
 
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