List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread III

[lockheed]

15 and Kayne Turner.

With something in return, of course

 

[The Filth Wizard]

What do you think will be norths final offer?

I think we’ll offer 2, 15 and 18, nothing back and if the Eagles are waiting for the best offer to appear, they will take it.

If they are content to take Reid regardless then it gets rejected and we all move on.

What I do know is your mob isn’t dumb. They know 3 or a future first isn’t happening with 2 so it won’t get drawn out past that. For us mugs though, that deal won’t get done until trade night if at all.

 

[Passmore]

I sure as hell hope not. We have 7 spots to fill. We give up 2 teen picks without 23 coming back we're selling our own list short on quality. Dropping 1 pick (17) and 5 spots on 18 is more than enough.
Just take the two Tassie lads, 3 talls with 15,17, 18 and then look at trading next years first and get some FAs in.

I guess the footy department will weigh up the options and decide what works best. At worst we seem keen to bundle some of the later first round pick pIckes to move up.

 

[R00StaR]

Come on mate. That's a pisstake. WC need as many top 20 picks as they can get. Without bending over for them though. The holes in their list are gaping. If they have any sense they'd be looking to split 1.

However, as the most likely suitors, we haven't really offered them anything serious. Anyone saying our most recent offer is serious has been drinking Bigfooty Kool aid. Shocking offer. Melbourne's deal wasn't a bad one at all. I think WC might have accepted if pick 6 was pick 5 instead. Bit of insurance for Curtin, who looks to be behind Reid, McKercher, Duursma and Watson at this stage

No chance, i dont think Reid is that much better than McKercher to warrant more than 2,17 and 18 for 1 and 23. The way the game is going theres no shortage of inside bulls, but damaging players on the outside with pace and skill hurt teams which is exactly what we lack.
When Reid pinch hits in the middle we can throw a CZ in if needed. He's not going to out strength him anytime soon. We've got good mid sized marking forwards, but we do lack creative run and flair.

 

[Psicosis]

Seems to be hard to flog these late 1st round picks.

Weird how little value they apparently have considering the salty tears that they initially (and continued to) caused.

 

[R00StaR]

I guess the footy department will weigh up the options and decide what works best. At worst we seem keen to bundle some of the later first round pick pIckes to move up.

Yes thats the same result, we lose 1 of the picks to move higher. Losing 2 should not happen.
ie 2 and 17 to get 1
or 15 and 17 to 8

in both cases we lose 1 pick but gain position.

 

[Rajeshtalk]

I think we’ll offer 2, 15 and 18, nothing back and if the Eagles are waiting for the best offer to appear, they will take it.

If they are content to take Reid regardless then it gets rejected and we all move on.

What I do know is your mob isn’t dumb. They know 3 or a future first isn’t happening with 2 so it won’t get drawn out past that. For us mugs though, that deal won’t get done until trade night if at all.

Anything more and it’s just detrimental(although your draft hand is so good rn you can’t lose unless a stupid offer is made), the consensus seems to be to take Reid regardless but if we could get Curtin and mckercher we would stomach it.

 

[Rajeshtalk]

Weird how little value they apparently have considering the salty tears that they initially (and continued to) caused.

I was salty to begin with it seemed heaps (3 firsts) but all three will be pushed back from f/s and academy. Also I feel if we go through another year of bottom two with blow outs we might get similar compensation.

 

[Passmore]

Yes thats the same result, we lose 1 of the picks to more higher. Losing 2 should not happen.
ie 2 and 17 to get 1
or 15 and 17 to 8

in both cases we lose 1 pick but gain position.

Should/shouldn't....I wouldn't really know. Not pretending to.

I'm just looking at scenarios that would land Reid as that is what the club seemingly wants to do. If we do want him, I hope we get him.

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[Passmore]

Weird how little value they apparently have considering the salty tears that they initially (and continued to) caused.

We should seek a trade with the team that cried the loudest. Was it Hawforn?

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[ohmygewd]

If the Eagles were to pick swap with us it'd be for 2 & 15 as a minimum. Their fan base would burn the joint down if it was anything less than that (probably wouldn't be happy with this also).
Leaves us 1, 3, 17, 18 , still a nice set of numbers.
If we didn't get a decent offer for a pick upgrade of 17 & 18 I'd wait until draft night & see what we're offered for one of the 2 picks. You never know, there might be a player still available that another club rates highly & we could deal with them for a F1.
Who doesn't enjoy a good death ride?

There is no reasoning with that fan base!!
Their only hope is that their list manager and Simmo understand the predicament there list is at and that 1 player can't hold back the enviable of a painful rebuild and the better tack is to acquire multiple 1st rounders. Their aging premiership players aren't going to get any healthier and their draft value is at best, late 2nd/early 3rd rounder or retire on mass - they've seen the future and even at our worst, we never copped 100pt belting like they did even with their mighty home ground advantage and money.

But according to their fanbase they'll be alright so Brady, give Reidy the best shot up to Nov 10 then come out on the 13th and collectively, smile and hold a stare at the WC team as they sweat bullets on the clock...if they call any other name other than Reid just burst out laughing cos the entire room will!!

 

[zoomba23]

No chance, i dont think Reid is that much better than McKercher to warrant more than 2,17 and 18 for 1 and 23. The way the game is going theres no shortage of inside bulls, but damaging players on the outside with pace and skill hurt teams which is exactly what we lack.
When Reid pinch hits in the middle we can throw a CZ in if needed. He's not going to out strength him anytime soon. We've got good mid sized marking forwards, but we do lack creative run and flair.

To be fair, I don't have Reid down as playing in our midfield or forward line should we pick him up. They'll have quite differently crafted careers imo. Either way, if they're not happy with 2 and 15 (and maybe an F2, not too fussed whether we include it or not) then they'll be taking the flight risk on. And they'll like it

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I was salty to begin with it seemed heaps (3 firsts) but all three will be pushed back from f/s and academy. Also I feel if we go through another year of bottom two with blow outs we might get similar compensation.

Not worth stressing about picks being pushed back, they’re only pushed back by players you couldn’t get anyway.

 

[dus]

Wet Toast can **** off.

Keep 2, 3, 15.

Pawn off one of, 17 OR 18, for a F1 and change. Who wants to pay?

Otherwise, we go to the draft with our current picks.

We have the power here. Let them beg.

 

[ohmygewd]

I was salty to begin with it seemed heaps (3 firsts) but all three will be pushed back from f/s and academy. Also I feel if we go through another year of bottom two with blow outs we might get similar compensation.

Supporter's rely too much of picks getting pushed by F/S and academies when they really shouldn't because you can't get that talent unless you make a ridiculous bid, just focus on the talent that is available to you.

Tell ya a secret on compensation/assistenace...you won't get assistance for at least another 2 or 3 big losing seasons with under 2 wins - you've seen the model and you blokes were only in the finals 4 years ago so it will be difficult to get AFL handouts.

Clocks ticking on your rebuild, if you're still bottom 2 by end of 26, if this years draft is an insight on Tassie talent, then those 3 excellent players are likely tied and l'd hate to be rebuilding in a sceanrio where 4 academy kids at top 20, 2 x FS are top 20 and 3 x expansion kids are top 15...good luck worrying about 1 marquee type player, a prospect at 23 plus whatever pan for gold you might find at 37 & 58.

 

[Moti]

Wonder if we turn to Melbourne for a mutually beneficial deal.

Pick 3 for Pick 6 and 11 with a small sweetener.

We offer Pick 2 and 6 for Pick 1 and 23.

End up with 1,6,15,17,18,23

Guess it depends how close the top 6-7 are




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[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Wonder if we turn to Melbourne for a mutually beneficial deal.

Pick 3 for Pick 6 and 11 with a small sweetener.

We offer Pick 2 and 6 for Pick 1 and 23.

End up with 1,6,15,17,18,23

Guess it depends how close the top 6-7 are




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You messed up!

 

[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Let's upgrade to 7/8.
Give me Sanders over Reid.
Bookmark it. Let's re-visit in 10 years.

 

[hellas_johnny]

Wonder if we turn to Melbourne for a mutually beneficial deal.

Pick 3 for Pick 6 and 11 with a small sweetener.

We offer Pick 2 and 6 for Pick 1 and 23.

End up with 1,6,15,17,18,23

Guess it depends how close the top 6-7 are




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Amazing were offering 6 and still keeping it.

 

[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

WC get 2, 42, NM f3 & Melb f1
North get 6, 11 & 23
Melb get 1

WC give 1 & 23
North give 2 & f3
Melb give 6, 11, 42 & f1

 

[Shinboner roo]

If the Eagles have knocked back picks 2,15,17,18 for 1 and 23 then i don't know what else we can offer to appease them, we are definitely wanting pick 23 in the deal as we can't give up 4 first rounders for pick 1 with our list holes we need to fill at the draft.

 

[The Nostradamus]

If the Eagles have knocked back picks 2,15,17,18 for 1 and 23 then i don't know what else we can offer to appease them, we are definitely wanting pick 23 in the deal as we can't give up 4 first rounders for pick 1 with our list holes we need to fill at the draft.

You added an extra first rounder there from us
We offered 3 firsts (pick 2 and 2 in the teens) in total for 1 and 23

 

[Shinboner roo]

You added an extra first rounder there from us
We offered 3 firsts (pick 2 and 2 in the teens) in total for 1 and 23

Ahh i see

 

[Rajeshtalk]

You added an extra first rounder there from us
We offered 3 firsts (pick 2 and 2 in the teens) in total for 1 and 23

Cmon nostra, work your magic and get Rawlings to throw a future 1st in the mix for us hey? We’ll throw a future 2nd to sweeten the deal

 

[chubbspeterson]

Can't see us taking caddy or Curtin at 2... in fact zero chance... be duurs or mckerch


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I would agree for Caddy but I don't think you can say Curtin is zero chance when the coach has talked about his Hawks spine draft and the list manager has called Curtin a ripper and mentioned how we haven't picked very tall in the past. Nobody knows what the club is going to do, we might have a different order compared to other clubs, especially if we think next years draft is stocked with mids in the top 10.