List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[New_Roo]

Yeah could be a good free value get

I’d rather quality in ash, Clark or miles Bergman tho as out of contract targets

Sharp is not a bad fall back likewise GCs sharp also

All three of those would require first rd picks though you would have thought... ash was what top 5, hunter a couple later and berg what low teens.... so we will have to start putting our high picks towards these types of players rather than wanting the shiny new toy... not sure ports 1st would secure any of those and yes they are all ooc but the expectation would be a 10-15...


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[The Nostradamus]

All three of those would require first rd picks though you would have thought... ash was what top 5, hunter a couple later and berg what low teens.... so we will have to start putting our high picks towards these types of players rather than wanting the shiny new toy... not sure ports 1st would secure any of those and yes they are all ooc but the expectation would be a 10-15...


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I think ports first is sufficient for those players as they are out of contract

 

[Makeshift Park]

All three of those would require first rd picks though you would have thought... ash was what top 5, hunter a couple later and berg what low teens.... so we will have to start putting our high picks towards these types of players rather than wanting the shiny new toy... not sure ports 1st would secure any of those and yes they are all ooc but the expectation would be a 10-15...


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Jordan Dawson is better than any of those players, and he went for Melbourne’s future first, which ended up being something like pick 17.

Treloar was 14 and some later picks swaps.

Aliir was a second rounder.

All of Clark, Bergman and Ash are good, but none of them are top 5 players at their clubs on proven form.

Reckon a late first rounder easily gets any of them, and a high second rounder probably would too since they’re OOC. (Not that we have one yet)

 

[Shinboner roo]

Jordan Dawson is better than any of those players, and he went for Melbourne’s future first, which ended up being something like pick 17.

Treloar was 14 and some later picks swaps.

Aliir was a second rounder.

All of Clark, Bergman and Ash are good, but none of them are top 5 players at their clubs on proven form.

Reckon a late first rounder easily gets any of them, and a high second rounder probably would too since they’re OOC. (Not that we have one yet)

Our future second to Poort for Bergman

 

[shinboner magic]

Our future second to Poort for Bergman

Psd - give him extra money
**** em

 

[New_Roo]

Jordan Dawson is better than any of those players, and he went for Melbourne’s future first, which ended up being something like pick 17.

Treloar was 14 and some later picks swaps.

Aliir was a second rounder.

All of Clark, Bergman and Ash are good, but none of them are top 5 players at their clubs on proven form.

Reckon a late first rounder easily gets any of them, and a high second rounder probably would too since they’re OOC. (Not that we have one yet)

Happy to use dawson as a precedent even though that was a long drawn out process... but both allir and treloar were part of salary dumps so picks not as fair a reflection


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[Makeshift Park]

Happy to use dawson as a precedent even though that was a long drawn out process... but both allir and treloar were part of salary dumps so picks not as fair a reflection


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Fair enough. I don’t remember Aliir being a salary dump per se, as I assume he wasn’t on a massive contract at the swans. I guess there were reports Sydney had a tight salary cap around that time tho.

 

[Shermanator]

Psd - give him extra money
* em

 

[Makeshift Park]

Psd - give him extra money
* em

If we really wanna **** with them, add Williams as a UFA and a fourth for Georgiades.

 

[giantroo]

 

[The Nostradamus]

Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

would be nice on a wing

Good mates with griff, get in his ear hopefully

 

[lockheed]

Bus stop, wet day, she's there, I say
"Please, share my umbrella"

All the season we enjoyed it
Wind and rain and shine

 

[koshari]

Zac Fisher would be nice on a wing

Good mates with griff, get in his ear hopefully

Scott is a better wingman on current form

 

[shintemaster]

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Let's get suitors to line up and form an orderly line.

 

[Firebat]

Zac Fisher would be nice on a wing

Good mates with griff, get in his ear hopefully

You cannot complain about the club constantly getting plodders and then suggest Zac Fisher.

Would not improve us in the slightest

 

[king of the road]

Such a warrior and servant of the club

Mahony was. Literally broke his shoulders being a servant to the club.

Still gets bagged on here.

 

[koshari]

You cannot complain about the club constantly getting plodders and then suggest Zac Fisher.

Would not improve us in the slightest

he can ( very well infact) and history suggests will continue to.

 

[Sphynx]

Daniel Hoyne on his segment stated Miles Bergman as the second worst kick in the league based on their kick rating system.

For the role he plays, amount of pressure he's under and the types of kicks he attempts.

I have access to CD, so had a look:


He has the second worst turnover rate of anyone in the league that gets it 15+ times.

He turns the ball over every 3.2 possessions.

The worst is Charlie Constable

33

Charlie Constable

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.4

5star

K

9.0

3star

HB

12.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

22.4

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

12.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

at a turnover every 3.0 possessions getting it 22 times a game.

Just behind him is Corey Wagner and Oscar Baker.

For someone who kicks it 72% of the time at an average of 23m per kick, he has a kicking efficiency of 63%, one of the worst in the league for the amount of disposals he gets and the role he plays.

He does average a similar amount of intercept marks to someone like Jordan Ridley

14

Jordan Ridley

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

4.5

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

244.8

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

6.7

5star

T

1.7

3star

MG

265.4

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

MG

208.2

4star

, but his 1v1 and loss % numbers are shite when he's in a contested defensive situation.

When coupled with turning it over after 30% of these intercept marks, it is shooting yourself in the foot.

That honestly reads like peak Jamie MacMillan

34

Jamie Macmillan

Age

34

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.3

4star

K

10.3

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

368.8

5star

D

11.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

212.7

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.6

4star

.


I think I'll pass now.

 

[shinboner magic]

Daniel Hoyne on his segment stated Miles Bergman as the second worst kick in the league based on their kick rating system.

For the role he plays, amount of pressure he's under and the types of kicks he attempts.

I have access to CD, so had a look:


He has the second worst turnover rate of anyone in the league that gets it 15+ times.

He turns the ball over every 3.2 possessions.

The worst is Charlie Constable at a turnover every 3.0 possessions getting it 22 times a game.

Just behind him is Corey Wagner and Oscar Baker.

For someone who kicks it 72% of the time at an average of 23m per kick, he has a kicking efficiency of 63%, one of the worst in the league for the amount of disposals he gets and the role he plays.



I think I'll pass now.

What about Dylan Williams

 

[Sphynx]

What about Dylan Williams

Average kick of 22.6m

Turns it over every 4.0 possessions (below average)

Loss % defending of 36% (below average)

Kicking efficiency of 76%. (below average)



The best 5 kicks for medium defenders for the lowest turnover % per kick are Heath Chapman, Jimmy Webster, Nick Daicos, Jordan Ridley and Josh Goater.......

He's at almost 10 disposals per turnover, but his average disposal length is much shorter, meaning chip kicks and small handballs.


Miller Bergman is in the top 10ish at 7.6 disposals per turnover.



The solution is staring us in the face, just get more games into them.....


Whilst we think Goaters kicking can be poor at times, it's actually better than most.

 

[shinboner magic]

Average kick of 22.6m

Turns it over every 4.0 possessions (below average)

Loss % defending of 36% (below average)

Kicking efficiency of 76%. (below average)



The best 5 kicks for medium defenders for the lowest turnover % per kick are Heath Chapman, Jimmy Webster, Nick Daicos, Jordan Ridley and Josh Goater.......

He's at almost 10 disposals per turnover, but his average disposal length is much shorter, meaning chip kicks and small handballs.


Miller Bergman is in the top 10ish at 7.6 disposals per turnover.



The solution is staring us in the face, just get more games into them.....

patience is our thing

 

[Sphynx]

Whitefield and Haynes are the two I'd be looking at from GWS's salary dump perspective.

Haynes at 31 and in the Hodge role we might get 2-3 seasons out of. If we are looking for some leadership for the group to take us forward, he would be the guy I'd be targetting, especially if we get rid of Hall, Howe, Shiels, Cunnington, Ziebell soon.

He's still one of the most efficient users out of the back half in the league, intercepts, intercept marks, defensive 1 v 1, win %, spoils, score launches are all still well above AFL average.


Whilst Whitfield isn't as good as Sheezel at half back this season (Sheezel is 3rd in the league for % of score involvements per possession), he's not far behind, 5.0 turnovers per possessions vs Sheezels 5.7.

They both move the ball forward a similar distance per disposal of around 18-20m per touch.

Whitfield is very much in the Nick Daicos mould of powder puff down hill skier category though, with some of the worst pressure act numbers in the league.

Whilst Sheezel is around 24 per game, which is top 20 in the AFL.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Daniel Hoyne on his segment stated Miles Bergman as the second worst kick in the league based on their kick rating system.

For the role he plays, amount of pressure he's under and the types of kicks he attempts.

I have access to CD, so had a look:


He has the second worst turnover rate of anyone in the league that gets it 15+ times.

He turns the ball over every 3.2 possessions.

The worst is Charlie Constable at a turnover every 3.0 possessions getting it 22 times a game.

Just behind him is Corey Wagner and Oscar Baker.

For someone who kicks it 72% of the time at an average of 23m per kick, he has a kicking efficiency of 63%, one of the worst in the league for the amount of disposals he gets and the role he plays.

He does average a similar amount of intercept marks to someone like Jordan Ridley, but his 1v1 and loss % numbers are shite when he's in a contested defensive situation.

When coupled with turning it over after 30% of these intercept marks, it is shooting yourself in the foot.

That honestly reads like peak Jamie MacMillan.


I think I'll pass now.

Interesting.

Any CD insights on Lachie Ash, if you have a moment mate?

 

[Sphynx]

Interesting.

Any CD insights on Lachie Ash, if you have a moment mate?

17 meters per disposal.

Kick efficiency of 79%

5.5 disposals per turnover.

Score launches of 0.7 (16% of teams score launches)

11 pressure acts and very little 1v1 logged contests (i.e he's a loose defender). Which is worse than Nick Daicos and Whitfield.


He uses it as well as Sheezel, but doesn't have anywhere near the defensive output and impact per possession.

Still very good numbers though @ 24 disposal per game (he averages 3 kicks per game, so he's 21 disposals per game adjusted)

Whitfield averages 26 disposals per game, but has 5.4 kickins per game, so averages the same disposals per game as Ash, adjusted.


Sheezel gets it 26.3 disposals per game (with 1.6 kick ins per game) - 24.7 disposals adjusted.


Sheezel is outperforming Ash and Whitfield in almost all half back categories and is a top 20 AFL pressure player to boot.

 

[krakouers]

Sheezel is outperforming Ash and Whitfield in almost all half back categories and is a top 20 AFL pressure player to boot.

That is phenomenal for a player that hasn’t even played 15 games