List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part III

[George]

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[goodie23]

Can Hawthorn please throw a big offer at Gresh so we don't have any more Essendon nonsense?

 

[botts]

Genuine question that no one can seem to actually understand

why are we (a) paying Gresham way overs to then even out the equation by losing Shiel and then (b) not only are we potentially going to pay some of Shiels salary, (c) we have arguably the most salary cap space in the competition.

Nothing makes sense and no matter which way you write it, it doesn't make sense if Essendon, perennially hard negotiators are just going to bend over and make a closely matched team even stronger for very little in return

I just don't get it and no one can explain not me why we're helping St.Kilda so much

Think you would find if we take shiels and pay his contract we are helping you

 

[SaintyMcSaintface]

we don't need to off load Shiel's salary. Why would we do this?

Further to that, why are we dumping Shiel's salary and then replacing it with supposedly Gresham's mega deal?


that's what no one can seem to answer me.

I know you will say a salary dump, we don't need to. And if we were, why would we just chew it back up with a b grade player over paid?

You can either have Gresham and Shiel's salary or you can have Gresham's salary and offload Shiel's to the Saints. Simple stuff.

 

[stavro#4]

we don't need to off load Shiel's salary. Why would we do this?

Further to that, why are we dumping Shiel's salary and then replacing it with supposedly Gresham's mega deal?


that's what no one can seem to answer me.

I know you will say a salary dump, we don't need to. And if we were, why would we just chew it back up with a b grade player over paid?

There is a difference between need and want.

there is also a difference in the opinion of a supporter and that of their club.

Thats probably a good place to start for you injector folk.

 

[kernelT]

that's what no one can seem to answer me.

It's not very hard.

I apologise for engaging.

 

[Sainter88]

we don't need to off load Shiel's salary. Why would we do this?

Further to that, why are we dumping Shiel's salary and then replacing it with supposedly Gresham's mega deal?


that's what no one can seem to answer me.

I know you will say a salary dump, we don't need to. And if we were, why would we just chew it back up with a b grade player over paid?

Are you dense?

 

[Veer Right]

name calling not needed

We don't need to salary dump. Further to that, why are we dumping Shiel's salary and then replacing it with Gresham's to get St.Kilda a first round compensation pick?


Like I said, nothing makes sense

I was thinking if it went through,

Essendon lose Shiel and 28

and gain

Gresham and Howard pick

Saints lose Gresham and Howard

and gain

Shiel, 13(from the AFL) and 28

win/win?

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

My guess is that the eventual off list will be?

1. Adams
2. Allison- although contracted for 1 more year
3. Bytel
4. Campbell-dependant on a replacement?
5. Connolly
6. Gresham-has to be gone now, dragging on & annoying
7. Highmore
8. Howard- dependant on, if we can get good compo. for him & a risk of lacking KPD depth if we let him go.
9. McKenzie- not looking good for him, but hoping, like Jones, that they give him another season.
10. Peris

Campbell will stay.

Mature ruck, if Roma goes down we need him, Every list has a ruck like him on it.

Should mostly be playing VFL and help young rucks develop.

 

[FootyMaster11]

name calling not needed

We don't need to salary dump. Further to that, why are we dumping Shiel's salary and then replacing it with Gresham's to get St.Kilda a first round compensation pick?


Like I said, nothing makes sense

This is pretty much it in a nutshell

• it is reported that you have around 2M in salary cap space
• u want to get players in, but don’t want to use draft picks, as such going through FA
• saints have said that if u don’t pay enough we will match the contract as are happy for him to stay, and will force a trade (u don’t want to do this)
• to get McKay (800k) Gresh (750k) and Goldstein (500) and any other players (such as draft picks/delisted free agents) u need to make room in salary cap to afford
• we are happy to let gresh walk to u and not match on the basis that you pay enough to trigger band 1 compo, in return we would be willing to take on Shiels entire contract in return for a late pick only
• this helps us as it gives us a first round pick
• this helps u as it allows u to get Mckay/Gresh/Goldstein this year without using any picks, and gets Shiels contracts off your books so that u can afford them all and would help u to try and play finals next year, as I’m sure your supporters are annoyed at not having won anything for 20 odd years

 

[kernelT]

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Genuine question that no one can seem to actually understand

why are we (a) paying Gresham way overs to then even out the equation by losing Shiel and then (b) not only are we potentially going to pay some of Shiels salary, (c) we have arguably the most salary cap space in the competition.

Nothing makes sense and no matter which way you write it, it doesn't make sense if Essendon, perennially hard negotiators are just going to bend over and make a closely matched team even stronger for very little in return

I just don't get it and no one can explain not me why we're helping St.Kilda so much

This is a bannable offence on your insipid excuse of a board apparently.
Why do you think that is?

 

[g_TRAIN]

we don't need to off load Shiel's salary. Why would we do this?

Further to that, why are we dumping Shiel's salary and then replacing it with supposedly Gresham's mega deal?


that's what no one can seem to answer me.

I know you will say a salary dump, we don't need to. And if we were, why would we just chew it back up with a b grade player over paid?

If you receive a draft pick from us, such as number 31 or something in the 50s, as part of the trade, isn't that better than retaining Shiel and getting nothing in return? This would only happen in the scenario where we get pick 13 and band 1 is triggered.

While you might not need to offload salary, it would be more beneficial for your club to invest that money in a top 22 player or a promising young draft pick. Even if a salary dump isn't necessary for you, the extra financial flexibility would be advantageous for front-loading contracts. This could be especially useful if you're planning to pursue someone like Ben King in the next year or two.

No one really wants Shiel, he would be worth nothing on the open market but if we can turn Gresh into a first-round pick and you can get a second-round or 3rd round pick for Shiel in a trade it seems like a win-win no?

 

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[Tommy Wigs]

we don't need to off load Shiel's salary. Why would we do this?

Further to that, why are we dumping Shiel's salary and then replacing it with supposedly Gresham's mega deal?


that's what no one can seem to answer me.

I know you will say a salary dump, we don't need to. And if we were, why would we just chew it back up with a b grade player over paid?

Which is why I don’t believe this will happen. There is nothing for St Kilda by wiping out Gresham compo and you’re saying there’s nothing in it for Essendon.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

We have heard nothing from GWS yet , surely they will be looking to offload one of there players

Salary cap is pretty good apparently

 

[Yoda_]

Can Hawthorn please throw a big offer at Gresh so we don't have any more Essendon nonsense?

now this is a win:win for everyone

 

[Yoda_]

Im not going to reply to everyone's post so in a nut shell you think we want Gresham enough that we have to pay him enough to trigger band 1 otherwise you force us to trade and you get a pick no where near what band 1 would trigger anyway. And in another favour we should as a really friendly gesture pay Shiel's salary because St.Kilda are such upstanding citizens?


Hm.. starting to see what you guys see but somehow don't think Adrian Dodoro the master negotiator does anything remotely to this.

I just hope for everyones sake he stays at St.Kilda, just as your on the rise he wants to move because he thinks he is worth significantly more makes me think he is more concerned about the $$ than the success.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Im not going to reply to everyone's post so in a nut shell you think we want Gresham enough that we have to pay him enough to trigger band 1 otherwise you force us to trade and you get a pick no where near what band 1 would trigger anyway. And in another favour we should as a really friendly gesture pay Shiel's salary because St.Kilda are such upstanding citizens?


Hm.. starting to see what you guys see but somehow don't think Adrian Dodoro the master negotiator does anything remotely to this.

I just hope for everyones sake he stays at St.Kilda, just as your on the rise he wants to move because he thinks he is worth significantly more makes me think he is more concerned about the $$ than the success.

You would also get 2nd or 3rd round pick back from us in most scenario's I've seen put forward.

Something you would never get for Shiel on the open market.

 

[Yoda_]

You would also get a pick back from us in most scenario's I've seen put forward?

a later pick that we likely won't use would mean nothing fwiw


I think Essendon only take 2, 3 picks maximum at the national draft

 

[kernelT]

I come in piss, nufink makes sense. pleyze help.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Hm.. starting to see what you guys see but somehow don't think Adrian Dodoro the master negotiator does anything remotely to this.

 

[g_TRAIN]

a later pick that we likely won't use would mean nothing fwiw


I think Essendon only take 2, 3 picks maximum at the national draft

Let's just see what happens.

Apparently, we have met with Shiel so seems like its on the cards one way or another.

 

[Sully111]

We don't need to salary dump. Further to that, why are we dumping Shiel's salary and then replacing it with Gresham's to get St.Kilda a first round compensation pick?

It's because you feel ashamed of the fact your club cheated by injecting it's players with drugs

So now, you want to appear like you're quite lovely so you thought you'd start by getting us a nice juicy pick.

It's guilt. You feel guilty because no matter how much you try to pretend, the stench and the shame of your past dealings weigh on your club like a ball and chain. You just want to be free. You want to win a final. You're trying to buy Karma.

 

[Joffaboy]

Genuine question that no one can seem to actually understand

why are we (a) paying Gresham way overs to then even out the equation by losing Shiel and then (b) not only are we potentially going to pay some of Shiels salary, (c) we have arguably the most salary cap space in the competition.

Nothing makes sense and no matter which way you write it, it doesn't make sense if Essendon, perennially hard negotiators are just going to bend over and make a closely matched team even stronger for very little in return

I just don't get it and no one can explain not me why we're helping St.Kilda so much

I'll break this down like for a 6 year old.

1. Essendon pay Gres enough to activate band 1
2. Band 1 pick 13.
3. In exchange Saints take the Sheil salary dump for pick say 31.
Benefits

Essendon get Gres for Salary as no matching and trading

Essendon get a 30 y.o un needed midfielder with a huge backhanded Salary off their books

Essendon get pick 31 (let's just say for arguments sake)

Saints get pick 13

Saints get a midfielder whose is needed ad the Saints mids are weak.

Nobody knows either clubs future TPP. Essendon may have backhanded contracts and can use the Sheil savings ( let's say 600k after the increase that they put in to Gres) to rearrange current contracts. McKay will cost a lot going forward.

This is the basic logic, Essendon help Saints get an extra frdp, Saints help Essendon by taking a Salary dump and a mid Essendon don't need ( and is an injury risk).
That is the basic logic. Sheil is the stake knives.
Saints want pick 13 for losing Gres
Essendon want the 900k and Sheil off their books.
If Saints only get 20 or asecond rounder, the Sheil trade may then involve some % of Essendon paying some of Sheils salary. The % is dependant on the Gres compo.

One thing is for sure Essendon we're never ever getting pick 13 for Sheil, that is ludicrous for an overpayed, undetperforming injury troubled player on the downside of his career.
Now take the simple logic back to your board and the high strung pearl clutches who inhabite it.

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[Yoda_]

I come in piss, nufink makes sense. pleyze help.

come on man, needs more name calling to be a plausible comment