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Opinion 2024 and Beyond

Where will the Bloods finish in 2024

  • Premiership

    Votes: 24 24.7%
  • Top 4

    Votes: 46 47.4%
  • Top 8

    Votes: 23 23.7%
  • 9th - 14th

    Votes: 4 4.1%
  • Bottom 4

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    97

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Good team Membling, but I would tinker on the assumption of full fitness.
Sam Reid comes in for Amartey, incl. as back up ruck. Cunningham comes in for Fox.
And a fit Sheldrick places Rowbottom, and even Warner (2022 version) under pressure.

I was purely basing this on full fitness for the team.

With Mills out, Cunningham snaffles that position.

I would give most of the "old guard" the green light however, hopefully more reward for performance in ressies/demotion if not performing.

The more competition for spots, the better
 
Agree with all of these KC except Lloyd. He is one of only 11 players who I think are certainties to play all 23 games this year if fit. It's a group that I don't even have Rampe in. Have seen some chat often grouping Rampe & Lloyd as "the veterans" who may need replacing, but to me they're very different cases.

Rampe's a 33 year old defender who has made his name over the last decade by playing on blokes twice his size who now has to adjust his game and contribute in other ways (either as a smaller lockdown type, or more of a rebounding option) or his importance in the team plummets. His body's also gotta hold up and he's at an age now where injuries will be more and more likely.

Lloyd on the other hand is a just-turned-30 year old flanker, very little comparative wear and tear on the body from a decade spent in a largely uncontested capacity, and probably the most durable player we've had of the last decade. There's no reason Lloyd can't keep keeping on for another few years at least. Horse & co absolutely love him and I think he's the key cog in the set-up that allows the likes of Blakey & Florent to get their defensive rebounds going, which you touched on yourself.

Either way the thought of one day having neither of them in our defence has me feeling like

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I get what you're saying and part of me agrees. Another part sees that our defence is kind of built around Lloyd's strengths and weaknesses. We often ask ourselves "how do we take the next step?". I fear that Lloyd might be a block on that because of his one-on-one shortcomings.
On Rampe we are in total agreement. He will be a big loss when he hits the cliff.
 
If Mills plays in defence they probably wouldn't be. He's an upgrade on Cunningham, but in his absence Cunningham's clearly the best option.

Down the other end, it's our lack of small forwards that should worry us. We need a strong forward half pressure game and I'm not sure a rotation of resting mids will cut it.

Fans tend to want the 22 best players to be in the team, but the coaches will be looking more at the best players for the 22, regardless of profile, ability or excitement.
Personally, I'd have Cunningham in the 18 in lieu of Rampe, if Mills was to be played in defense. I don't see the need for Mills to go back there unless the coaching panel deem we already have enough talent in the midfield meaning Mills can be more value in the back half. Cunningham is the only one that I would want looking after the opposition's small forwards.
 
Personally, I'd have Cunningham in the 18 in lieu of Rampe, if Mills was to be played in defense. I don't see the need for Mills to go back there unless the coaching panel deem we already have enough talent in the midfield meaning Mills can be more value in the back half. Cunningham is the only one that I would want looking after the opposition's small forwards.
I don't mind if Mills goes back, assuming the mids are going well. You're right in wanting Cunningham (or an eventual legitimate small, quick replacement) on the oppo small fwds though. Mills beats them in the air, but doesn't have the speed to chase down or nullify on the lead. Mills would be the Fox replacement on the medium types or as an interceptor.
 

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Personally, I'd have Cunningham in the 18 in lieu of Rampe, if Mills was to be played in defense. I don't see the need for Mills to go back there unless the coaching panel deem we already have enough talent in the midfield meaning Mills can be more value in the back half. Cunningham is the only one that I would want looking after the opposition's small forwards.
I think Mills in defence would be more about durability. But I don't see any reason Mills couldn't look after the small forwards as well. He's got a deceptive first step of pace.
 
I don't mind if Mills goes back, assuming the mids are going well. You're right in wanting Cunningham (or an eventual legitimate small, quick replacement) on the oppo small fwds though. Mills beats them in the air, but doesn't have the speed to chase down or nullify on the lead. Mills would be the Fox replacement on the medium types or as an interceptor.
100%. Mills more the Rampe replacement if that's the way we go. Mills is actually slightly taller and IMO better in the air. Personally I hope he stays in the midfield but at the moment I can't see a Rampe replacement on the near horizon.
 
100%. Mills more the Rampe replacement if that's the way we go. Mills is actually slightly taller and IMO better in the air. Personally I hope he stays in the midfield but at the moment I can't see a Rampe replacement on the near horizon.
Francis is a sleeper for it, imo
 
Not without merit. Be interesting to see how he is used in the forthcoming season. I wonder if his reactions are quick enough? Might need to fine down a little bit, not heaps.
Gotta remember where he came form, imo. If he was a mid-season draft pick we'd be really impressed with him as opposed to coming from a AFL club. But it was Essendon
 
Hasn’t demonstrated the slightest aptitude for climbing posts yet.
I think Rampe is in his own unique category when it comes to jumping over and climbing onto things
 
Personally, I'd have Cunningham in the 18 in lieu of Rampe, if Mills was to be played in defense. I don't see the need for Mills to go back there unless the coaching panel deem we already have enough talent in the midfield meaning Mills can be more value in the back half. Cunningham is the only one that I would want looking after the opposition's small forwards.

He is a good ordinary footballer as Jack Dyer used to say.
 
Feel like we a light on for top end talent, but I can't remember us ever having this much depth.

There are a few players in the above 22 that are going to have play more consistently or they are going to find themselves in the reserves.

1 good game, 2 average ones, and a bad one, every 4 weeks is not going to be good enough anymore.

Totally agree, the top end talent is not quite there. We've done a great job making players and improving value but there's a decent amount of draft capital that fell away - Stephens especially but also Gould, Taylor and the whole 22 draft looks questionable. Everyone has their misses but we play a lot of finals so need to make them count
 

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Totally agree, the top end talent is not quite there. We've done a great job making players and improving value but there's a decent amount of draft capital that fell away - Stephens especially but also Gould, Taylor and the whole 22 draft looks questionable. Everyone has their misses but we play a lot of finals so need to make them count

Just means while we lack the absolute top end with Franklin retiring we can make it up with a complete team performance.

Everybody covers each other
 
Part of Cunningham's appeal is his adaptability, not only can he play in a number of roles, but when he follows his opponent or presses up and finds himself on a wing or even inside 50 he's confident enough to take advantage of his position on the ground. Campbell, Florent and LLoyd also.

Some midfielders flood back and look all at sea, some defenders, like Melican or Francis get a bit lost forward of centre. Some mids are dangerous when they go forward, like Gulden, Parker, Warner and McInerney. Some mids slip easily into defence. I like seeing Mills or Gulden getting back to help out on the last line of defence, while McInerney just makes me nervous.

Maybe it comes down to a player's experience and/or confidence. Seems hard to believe but Cunners should reach his 200th game this year in his 13th season. It would be sad to see half of our back 6 retire without winning a premiership. Cunners (2012), Rampe (2013) and Lloyd (2014) are all 0-3 in grand finals since debuting with the Swans. That's the sort statistic that used to apply to Collingwood players
 

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I keep asking myself apart from organic improvement of existing players where does our next step change in team capability come from?
We've done a great job in bringing in a potentially top notch ruck and a very good inside mid to address significant shortcomings. We've improved depth in a couple of areas and we've added to our pipeline with 3 decent draftees. All good but what next?
Even if this team goes on to win a GF and our current fringe players improve enough to win best 22 spots is that enough?
IMO we will still be short three genuine matchwinners:
Key forward
Key defender
Star midfielder (big body?)
Supposedly we have enough cash in the bank to go looking for at least one of these at the end of this season. Scanning those OOC:
KPF Ben King, Jesse Hogan, Todd Marshall, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
KPD none IMO
Mids Hugh McCluggage, Bailey Smith, Tom Liberatore.
It seems to me that most clubs have their matchwinners in those categories pretty well tied up. I think that the improvement offered by those mids would be at the margin and no KPDs jump out at all, so if we're looking for another step forward it will need to be from the likes of Ben King, Todd Marshall or Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, making the assumption that they are better than at least two of the four we have now.
 
I keep asking myself apart from organic improvement of existing players where does our next step change in team capability come from?
We've done a great job in bringing in a potentially top notch ruck and a very good inside mid to address significant shortcomings. We've improved depth in a couple of areas and we've added to our pipeline with 3 decent draftees. All good but what next?
Even if this team goes on to win a GF and our current fringe players improve enough to win best 22 spots is that enough?
IMO we will still be short three genuine matchwinners:
Key forward
Key defender
Star midfielder (big body?)
Supposedly we have enough cash in the bank to go looking for at least one of these at the end of this season. Scanning those OOC:
KPF Ben King, Jesse Hogan, Todd Marshall, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
KPD none IMO
Mids Hugh McCluggage, Bailey Smith, Tom Liberatore.
It seems to me that most clubs have their matchwinners in those categories pretty well tied up. I think that the improvement offered by those mids would be at the margin and no KPDs jump out at all, so if we're looking for another step forward it will need to be from the likes of Ben King, Todd Marshall or Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, making the assumption that they are better than at least two of the four we have now.
I'd look at what we did in our grand final run in 2022 and try and do more of that.
 
I'd look at what we did in our grand final run in 2022 and try and do more of that.
Only part of the story. Since then no Buddy, Mills out of the middle, Heeney playing hurt (or whatever), a losing ruck and defensive mid set up. So we're trying to do more of that with those recruitments, as I pointed out.
The question I VERY clearly asked is what next after that? Perhaps I shouldn't bother when it draws responses like that.
 
Only part of the story. Since then no Buddy, Mills out of the middle, Heeney playing hurt (or whatever), a losing ruck and defensive mid set up. So we're trying to do more of that with those recruitments, as I pointed out.
The question I VERY clearly asked is what next after that? Perhaps I shouldn't bother when it draws responses like that.
Not sure what was wrong with my response KC. It was a genuine comment. You asked what next and I said we need to do more of what we did in our grand final run of 2022. I felt like in that period we made so many astute tactical decisions that it was no surprise we were the clear second-best, if not best, side in the competition. I think we need to again make astute tactical decisions with the personnel we have. If we don't then we'll be just another great list underperforming, like you see with a handful of teams every year.
 
I keep asking myself apart from organic improvement of existing players where does our next step change in team capability come from?
We've done a great job in bringing in a potentially top notch ruck and a very good inside mid to address significant shortcomings. We've improved depth in a couple of areas and we've added to our pipeline with 3 decent draftees. All good but what next?
Even if this team goes on to win a GF and our current fringe players improve enough to win best 22 spots is that enough?
IMO we will still be short three genuine matchwinners:
Key forward
Key defender
Star midfielder (big body?)
Supposedly we have enough cash in the bank to go looking for at least one of these at the end of this season. Scanning those OOC:
KPF Ben King, Jesse Hogan, Todd Marshall, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
KPD none IMO
Mids Hugh McCluggage, Bailey Smith, Tom Liberatore.
It seems to me that most clubs have their matchwinners in those categories pretty well tied up. I think that the improvement offered by those mids would be at the margin and no KPDs jump out at all, so if we're looking for another step forward it will need to be from the likes of Ben King, Todd Marshall or Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, making the assumption that they are better than at least two of the four we have now.

Agree we lack a regular match turning forward and an inside mid to match what Gulden does on the outside.

Gus may live up to our hopes and Adams is a solid B+ player., but agree we need to look forward. Unfortunately none of the three mids you mentioned do much for me. McCluggage is more outside but a terrific player nonetheless, Libbas cliff is approaching and Smith imo is more show than go.

I am really hoping Buller turns into a 50-60 goal pa fwd and we get 40-50 from Logan.

Would not touch either King. Unhappily their bodies may not be sufficiently robust.

I really like UgleHagan and would be delighted if we snaffled him. The one reservation is his kicking. Otherwise he is a very strong and smart kpf.
 

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