2024 Ladder Predictions

[Handyandy]

2020 we finished the home & away first
2021 we finished the home and away second
2022 was ruined by injuries & a poor start
2023 we were third

not sure what self-delusion has to do with it.

in something like 14 of of the last 20 years, a team from outside the 8 has jumped into the top 4.

almost every year there are teams that have a big rise and a big fall.


nice melt though.

Haha
I find it amusing that you have becomes the idiots big riser team
And that you are actually buying into this fantasy is even more amusing

 

[TheUnicorn]

Yes and we went from 10th to first 2019-2020 but we are port and the crows are the crows.
The idea that the crows will suddenly be a top 2 team after 6 years of missing finals is highly amusing

The same crows that have 2x the AFL premierships that your team has?

 

[adammania9]

Sunshine and lollipops
These prediction threads are amusing
So the crows, a team that hasn’t made finals for 6 seasons will jump 8 spots? & be 2nd above lions.
Haha, self delusion with a touch of stupidity & ignorance
Saints drop 8 spots & ports drop 4
Haha, thanks for the laugh

Four spots down for Port seems generous. More likely to be 9 or 10

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Yes and we went from 10th to first 2019-2020 but we are port and the crows are the crows.
The idea that the crows will suddenly be a top 2 team after 6 years of missing finals is highly amusing

in 2018 Melbourne made a prelim after missing finals for a decade.
In 2019 Brisbane finished 2nd after year of being bottom 5.
in 2023 carlton made a prelim after a decade of not making finals.

It's really not uncommon

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

2020 we finished the home & away first
2021 we finished the home and away second
2022 was ruined by injuries & a poor start
2023 we were third

Haha
I find it amusing that you have becomes the idiots big riser team
And that you are actually buying into this fantasy is even more amusing

right, so you're just salty some predicted the crows will finish above port.

 

[Mr Meow]

in 2018 Melbourne made a prelim after missing finals for a decade.
In 2019 Brisbane finished 2nd after year of being bottom 5.
in 2023 carlton made a prelim after a decade of not making finals.

It's really not uncommon

There are probably other actual examples but it's disingenuous in a ladder prediction thread to include two sides that didn't finish top 4 (but did well in finals).

From that list only Brisbane applies.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Four spots down for Port seems generous. More likely to be 9 or 10

Based on what?

 

[Libbaaaa]

Comp is super even. Only North, West Coast, Hawthorn and maybe Essendon for mine aren't a realistic chance of the 8.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Maybe if you're not familiar with them. or haven't watched them closely.

Gibcus is our most promising young players and had a huge 1st year, if his hammy is sorted he will be a gun.
Young was one of the best one-on-one defenders in the comp in his first year.
Ross is solid.
Cumberland has multiple hauls of 3 plus goals in his first 20 games including 5 against Brisbane. Dimma completely destroyed his confidence. Has star potential and is ready.
Banks is highly rated internally. Will be our best winger.
Kosi just needs to play a role alongside Lynch. he will do that at worst.
Bauer was dominant at both ends in the VFL and should be ready to step up the AFL level.

If 3 of the remaining are last picked we're going okay...

Again though... every supporter could say the same thing about their younger players.

Josh Ward is a year advanced on Gibcus from a development perspective.
Seamus Mitchell and Josh Weddle won rising star nominations in their debut AFL seasons.
Ramsden is rated very highly internally, like Banks is for you guys.
Connor Macdonald, as a high half forward/occasional mid is statistically tracking better than Connor Rozee and Zac Bailey were after their first two seasons.

Put those guys alongside the A grade pr potential A graders in Sicily, Lewis, Day and Newcombe and just how far can this Hawthorn side go in 2024?


Again, not being rude. Just showing you that every supporter can find the optimism in their clubs list. A lot needs to go right when relying on a group of young players to all take the next step simultaneously and help rise up the ladder.

 

[TheUnicorn]

Comp is super even. Only North, West Coast, Hawthorn and maybe Essendon for mine aren't a realistic chance of the 8.

Atleast ours had a maybe before it

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

There are probably other actual examples but it's disingenuous in a ladder prediction thread to include two sides that didn't finish top 4 (but did well in finals).

From that list only Brisbane applies.

yes and no, they still still support the point that a big rise isn't unthinkable

 

[Mr Meow]

yes and no, they still still support the point that a big rise isn't unthinkable

For making a point, I would say it's a better illustration of teams outside the top 4 being able to make a prelim.

For teams going from outside the 8 for a prolonged period to jumping straight into the top 4, Brisbane 2019 is your A plus case study.

Or else you would've just put Adelaide 6th and said you think they'd win through to a prelim from there.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

For making a point, I would say it's a better illustration of teams outside the top 4 being able to make a prelim.

For teams going from outside the 8 for a prolonged period to jumping straight into the top 4, Brisbane 2019 is your A plus case study.

Or else you would've just put Adelaide 6th and said you think they'd win through to a prelim from there.

i didnt predict adelaide to finish top 4, but handy was saying anyone who does is an idiot

 

[Mr Meow]

i didnt predict adelaide to finish top 4, but handy was saying anyone who does is an idiot

Royal "you", sorry.

Anyway while I don't think it's an outrageous prediction I'd say the odds are more on them pulling a Melbourne 2018 or Carlton 2023 (finish 5th-8th, maybe surprise a team or two in finals) than Brisbane 2019 (straight into the top 4). Given Brisbane's finals performances that year you'd take that as a Crows fan anyway!

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Royal "you", sorry.

Anyway while I don't think it's an outrageous prediction I'd say the odds are more on them pulling a Melbourne 2018 or Carlton 2023 (finish 5th-8th, maybe surprise a team or two in finals) than Brisbane 2019 (straight into the top 4). Given Brisbane's finals performances that year you'd take that as a Crows fan anyway!

giants 2016 the other recent one

 

[Handyandy]

Based on what?

The vibe of the thing

 

[Handyandy]

yes and no, they still still support the point that a big rise isn't unthinkable

You can always dream can’t you

 

[tiger_tough]

Again though... every supporter could say the same thing about their younger players.

Josh Ward is a year advanced on Gibcus from a development perspective.
Seamus Mitchell and Josh Weddle won rising star nominations in their debut AFL seasons.
Ramsden is rated very highly internally, like Banks is for you guys.
Connor Macdonald, as a high half forward/occasional mid is statistically tracking better than Connor Rozee and Zac Bailey were after their first two seasons.

Put those guys alongside the A grade pr potential A graders in Sicily, Lewis, Day and Newcombe and just how far can this Hawthorn side go in 2024?


Again, not being rude. Just showing you that every supporter can find the optimism in their clubs list. A lot needs to go right when relying on a group of young players to all take the next step simultaneously and help rise up the ladder.

That's great but I didn't say anything about the hawks

 

[Blackhawk42]

That's great but I didn't say anything about the hawks

I'm just creating a dialogue with you centred around the concept of blind optimism.

Comparatively, the Hawthorn players I mentioned have shown more to this point than the Richmond players you are backing to improve collectively and improve your ladder position.

It's literally impossible for every team to improve their results from one season to the next. The ones likely to do so due to improvement from their younger players are all more advanced than the Tigers at this stage.

If Richmond are to improve it will most likely be thanks to the core senior players staying fit for the entire season.

 

[adammania9]

Based on what?

Coach and mental fortitude

 

[tiger_tough]

I'm just creating a dialogue with you centred around the concept of blind optimism.

Comparatively, the Hawthorn players I mentioned have shown more to this point than the Richmond players you are backing to improve collectively and improve your ladder position.

It's literally impossible for every team to improve their results from one season to the next. The ones likely to do so due to improvement from their younger players are all more advanced than the Tigers at this stage.

If Richmond are to improve it will most likely be thanks to the core senior players staying fit for the entire season.

Did any of them have their coach lose the players and walk out mid-season?

 

[Blackhawk42]

Did any of them have their coach lose the players and walk out mid-season?

Yes, the Gold Coast Suns.


But I don't see what that has to do with the points being raised.

Gibcus, Young, Sonsie, Banks and Brown will probably all end up being fine AFL players. Some with massive potential.
Banking on them being the reason you guys climb up the ladder in 2024 is nothing but wishful thinking. If it happens (and I'm not saying it won't) then it will be the exception to the usual rule.

Believe in it, but also be realistic. That's all people are saying. And it's the justification for why the Tigers are popping up in bottom 4 predictions.

 

[tiger_tough]

Yes, the Gold Coast Suns.


But I don't see what that has to do with the points being raised.

Gibcus, Young, Sonsie, Banks and Brown will probably all end up being fine AFL players. Some with massive potential.
Banking on them being the reason you guys climb up the ladder in 2024 is nothing but wishful thinking. If it happens (and I'm not saying it won't) then it will be the exception to the usual rule.

Believe in it, but also be realistic. That's all people are saying. And it's the justification for why the Tigers are popping up in bottom 4 predictions.

The point is having a new coach that has got the players on board and reinvigorated will be where our biggest improvement comes from. I expect GC will do the same.

Anyway, thats enough on that. We shall see.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Coach and mental fortitude

The young midfield is a year older and their coach took them to top four in 2023.
Sorry, but to claim that they’re going to drop 10 spots based on nothing much at all, looks like just plain rubbish to me.

 

[adammania9]

The young midfield is a year older and their coach took them to top four in 2023.
Sorry, but to claim that they’re going to drop 10 spots based on nothing much at all, looks like just plain rubbish to me.

It was a tongue in cheek response to the dummy spitting Port supporter