VFL 2024 - Reserves Game Day discussion Rnds 2 - 21 (Merged threads)

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Seems to be the aberration as opposed to any sort of long term culture and performance shift in the program.

Fair call, there are clearly multiple reasons behind it before and after the rebuild…

A deep rebuild stripping, COVID and a deep consistent injury list has no doubt played a big part, before the rebuild our recruiting and development was close to the worst in the competition, certainly better in this department now although there could be some question marks on how the reserves are preforming in certain areas of development…

I’d like to get somewhere close to full strength to get a better gauge, clearly we are lacking in a few types in different areas across all lines…

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Binns just runs 100m to get a handball in the clear but instead his teammate burns him and bombs it straight to two Bullants players. Is it:
1) I’m too dumb to see my teammate
2) I want to get the inside 50 kick and maybe a goal assist if I’m lucky that another teammate happens to do something freakish?


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There are selfish acts and then there are selfish players, I'm more interested in what makes them do it rather than some pat label.

 

[gbatman]

Should be given a run in the backline to tey and get his eye back in. Play him in the back pocket with the freedkm to roam a bit and see if he can get some ball

It's a well trodden path for guys who seem to have AFL attributes but who can't seem to get the ball on the big stage, and the reserves could use something down back anyway.

Worth a try, just seems to have lost that drive and ball winning ability. Personally I'd give him a good run in the middle in the VFL and just get him back to hunting the ball and hitting bodies. To me it seems he's not putting his body into the contest and not playing physical footy.

 

[mario bortallotto]

Hard to tell, he goes missing for long stretches and just seems way off fitness wise. Has a few good moments here and there but looks to lack a bit of hunger and determination.

Actually thought he started this week exceptionally well in those two aspects but faded back to his norm after half time.

I doubt he plays any seniors this year and would be surprised if he's any sort of regular in 2025. He's a real slow burn if anything imo.

similar to my thoughts definitely has some class starts well , tank must be an ongoing issue , it was very obvious coaching staff were concerned with his TOG minutes

 

[Benaly28]

Which is why we should be all in on bringing a proven quality small forward end of year

Correct.


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[Das2Blue]

question to the vfl watchers as im interstate and only seen the port melbourne game live this year . is Moirs time on ground still being limited by the coach"s ?

last few games he been thrown into middle for long spells , also seen him thrown into backline ..they putting where the ball is and he starts ok, but fades out ..they giving him every chance to make it , looks like he carrying a little puupy fat to me ..he'll be better next year

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

It's embarrassing how little attention we pay to our VFL side. We fill it with project players and injury prone players. We neglect the midfield. We have decent VFL listed players leaving every year to further their AFL chances. We don't play a game that helps youngsters develop for an AFL call up.

Then our AFL side has to enter the finals with depth whose season has long ended and it's too risky to call anyone up.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

It's embarrassing how little attention we pay to our VFL side. We fill it with project players and injury prone players. We neglect the midfield. We have decent VFL listed players leaving every year to further their AFL chances. We don't play a game that helps youngsters develop for an AFL call up.

Then our AFL side has to enter the finals with depth whose season has long ended and it's too risky to call anyone up.

Other clubs seem to have their real project players play in even lower leagues. I heard that about a player this weekend. Forgot who and what team already. Don't know why we don't for some of these cat 2s and try to promote a stronger vfl program.

 

[Opium]

How long has our VFL program been bog-average for?

Feels like we just cannot get it right.

It starts at the top. How can they make crocker captain? What leadership skills did he bring. Now he's gone to Collingwood and we've made Young captain. Our development and reserves program has been an issue for a very long time and needs urgent addressing.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

It starts at the top. How can they make crocker captain? What leadership skills did he bring. Now he's gone to Collingwood and we've made Young captain. Our development and reserves program has been an issue for a very long time and needs urgent addressing.

Funny thing is I feel like there have been several cracks at it.

It was neglected under Ratten, then I remember there was investment under Malthouse because he believed heavily in a strong reserves - were still average. Bolton tried hard from memory, then since its been meh.

It's a shame, shouldn't be that hard to get right should it? Attractive club, good location, cool stadium/ground. Weird.

 

[Arr0w]

At VFL level, winning or losing has nothing to do with development

Cincotta, Boyd, Kemp were all part of VFL losses, but they have all cemented spots at the next level and playing well

 

[Coona Blues]

At VFL level, winning or losing has nothing to do with development

Cincotta, Boyd, Kemp were all part of VFL losses, but they have all cemented spots at the next level and playing well

Yeah, but what about the forwards?

Backs got/get plenty of looks at it, forwards not so much. Our young small forwards have to go in to the middle to get a touch. Kempy didn’t get a great look up forward and now Lemmey, Moir, Monahan and others playing alternate positions to get a look in.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Yeah, but what about the forwards?

Backs got/get plenty of looks at it, forwards not so much. Our young small forwards have to go in to the middle to get a touch. Kempy didn’t get a great look up forward and now Lemmey, Moir, Monahan and others playing alternate positions to get a look in.

Might change a bit with Martin, Cuningham, Cerra, Pittonet all get back after the bye.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Yeah, but what about the forwards?

Backs got/get plenty of looks at it, forwards not so much. Our young small forwards have to go in to the middle to get a touch. Kempy didn’t get a great look up forward and now Lemmey, Moir, Monahan and others playing alternate positions to get a look in.

Yeah. Exactly.

Grade cricket... I've seen successful first grades with nothing underneath but they pop up for a season then disappear again. The good clubs have good depth from firsts through fifths and they are always there abouts in club champs and first grade playoffs and their youngsters progress faster and have way more confidence. From experience it feels pretty vital and is a good marker for sustainable performance in the ones.

 

[F_therest]

Hard to tell, he goes missing for long stretches and just seems way off fitness wise. Has a few good moments here and there but looks to lack a bit of hunger and determination.

Actually thought he started this week exceptionally well in those two aspects but faded back to his norm after half time.

I doubt he plays any seniors this year and would be surprised if he's any sort of regular in 2025. He's a real slow burn if anything imo.

This surprises me as I feel Voss has spoken about wanting to recruit competitors, guys who value the defensive side of the game and have decent endurance.

What you've described of Moir is the opposite of that. He won't make it if that's the case.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

This surprises me as I feel Voss has spoken about wanting to recruit competitors, guys who value the defensive side of the game and have decent endurance.

What you've described of Moir is the opposite of that. He won't make it if that's the case.

He's early into his career, has plenty of talent if he gets his body and attitude right. But yes it's a concern.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Looking forward to seeing Cooper combining with Carroll through the midfield this week.
Interesting to compare what strengths he adds, reputed to have some burst and power.

I'm not sure what our future plans are for Carroll, but we really need a couple of depth mids next year.

 

[jpfalvo]

It's embarrassing how little attention we pay to our VFL side. We fill it with project players and injury prone players. We neglect the midfield. We have decent VFL listed players leaving every year to further their AFL chances. We don't play a game that helps youngsters develop for an AFL call up.

Then our AFL side has to enter the finals with depth whose season has long ended and it's too risky to call anyone up.

Great post. Spot on.

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[Arr0w]

Yeah, but what about the forwards?

Backs got/get plenty of looks at it, forwards not so much. Our young small forwards have to go in to the middle to get a touch. Kempy didn’t get a great look up forward and now Lemmey, Moir, Monahan and others playing alternate positions to get a look in.

You still have opportunities to make an impact in any part of the ground

You don't need a lot of looks to tackle, chase, cover a defender who wants to provide overlap run, blocking for another forward leading

 

[Blue Pulse]

At VFL level, winning or losing has nothing to do with development

Cincotta, Boyd, Kemp were all part of VFL losses, but they have all cemented spots at the next level and playing well

Hard to agree with that Arrow, to a point yes, but we are sitting at the bottom of the ladder with 1 win from 9 games, morale and confidence of this side must be low. This affects every player going through this side. Very hard to carry out a game plan if your chasing tail all day.

VFL players don't enjoy rocking up every week and losing, the AFL players become selfish and try to pad their stats to get out of the side. Cincotta and Boyd were mature age when they came to us out of very good VFL sides, Kemp, a high draft pick always had the talent.

Binns, who you say is not ready yet, (I'm not saying he is as I haven't seen enough of the VFL) has busted his ar5e in his first year, with a B&F and VFL team of the Year would be wondering what more he has to do when guys in the 1's were struggling to get a touch. Eventually you have to reward effort.

Bulldogs and Geelong, get it right quite consistently, Box Hill and Richmond are even in the top 10 with their injury problems.

Then you have 4 stand alone teams in there, who lack the resources of the AFL sides but are competitive.

Part of our problem is that we are relying on our AFL listed players to be playing in the VFL as experience for our younger draftees but they are never there.

There is no greater place to advance your game than on the field in a competitive environment.

 

[Arr0w]

Hard to agree with that Arrow, to a point yes, but we are sitting at the bottom of the ladder with 1 win from 9 games, morale and confidence of this side must be low. This affects every player going through this side. Very hard to carry out a game plan if your chasing tail all day.

VFL players don't enjoy rocking up every week and losing, the AFL players become selfish and try to pad their stats to get out of the side. Cincotta and Boyd were mature age when they came to us out of very good VFL sides, Kemp, a high draft pick always had the talent.

Binns, who you say is not ready yet, (I'm not saying he is as I haven't seen enough of the VFL) has busted his ar5e in his first year, with a B&F and VFL team of the Year would be wondering what more he has to do when guys in the 1's were struggling to get a touch. Eventually you have to reward effort.

Bulldogs and Geelong, get it right quite consistently, Box Hill and Richmond are even in the top 10 with their injury problems.

Then you have 4 stand alone teams in there, who lack the resources of the AFL sides but are competitive.

Part of our problem is that we are relying on our AFL listed players to be playing in the VFL as experience for our younger draftees but they are never there.

There is no greater place to advance your game than on the field in a competitive environment.

As long as the coaches are communicating openly in regards to player development, it's all that matters

Binns has a number of areas to work on, before I believe he is ready to hit the ground running at the next level, same with the rest of our young draftees

Yes, it is more difficult when you are getting spanked, but that also provides other development layers

I believe we need better VFL leaders, perhaps that's the area that needs to be addressed next year.

Ed would have been a great captain as an on field leader and perhaps we could also target older delisted players that have strong leadership traits

 

[Blue Pulse]

As long as the coaches are communicating openly in regards to player development, it's all that matters

Binns has a number of areas to work on, before I believe he is ready to hit the ground running at the next level, same with the rest of our young draftees

Yes, it is more difficult when you are getting spanked, but that also provides other development layers

I believe we need better VFL leaders, perhaps that's the area that needs to be addressed next year.

Ed would have been a great captain as an on field leader and perhaps we could also target older delisted players that have strong leadership traits

Very much agree Ed would have been perfect. Would have been nice to have a Marchbank or Durdin run around but there always in rehab.

Older delisted would be nice, but the money on offer at local level makes them hard to come by.

 

[Jimmae]

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CARLTON
FB: S.Durdin Marchbank Le. Young
HB: Wilson Akuei La. Young
C: Moir Binns Maher
HF: Lambert Monahan Motlop
FF: McMahon Lemmey Cahill

R: Mirkov Lord Ramshaw

INT: Prout, White, Nelson, Ferronato*, Lewis

EMG: Stevens, Hogg, Nosiara, Gill, Poole, Goonan, Phillips, Kuipers

You'd expect at least one to come out of the team from Marchbank, Motlop, and Binns so we have an emergency available for the seniors.

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[Garters]

Interesting to see what the good Lord adds. Might pop over with the little fellow for a look if the mother in law decides to come over for lunch.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Interesting to see what the good Lord adds. Might pop over with the little fellow for a look if the mother in law decides to come over for lunch.

I watched the game during the week from earlier this year - North VFL vs Lions - where he picked up 22 possessions.

First appearances, he looks a player that runs both ways, so always involved in the play. Not afraid to get in and get his hands dirty, as well as presenting as the first option at stoppages. Could be a bit of a Carrazzo type, where you may not notice him a lot during the play, but surprised when you hear his stats during the course of the game.

Reckon he may be one of those genuine hard working mids that you know exactly what your gonna get every week - the type that Vossy would love.