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2025 Ladder Predictions

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1. Fremantle - I love everything about where Freo are headed at the moment, incredible midfield, great youth, finally enough firepower. I think they'll spike towards the top of the ladder either this year or next year, I'm just tipping this year because why not.
2. Western Bulldogs
Thought they figured out a lot towards the back end of last year with Rory Lobb down back. Midfield and forward line are still really potent and Sam Darcy, Ugle-Hagan and Ryley Sanders are all potential stars, plus a pretty soft draw = strong top four chance. They've given good reason not to believe in them but I just do.
3. Brisbane
They'll really miss Daniher and I could see a slide after finally securing the flag, but they're still adding some great talent back and are near unbeatable at the Gabba. Might just be able to play free with the monkey off their back.
4. Hawthorn
Clearly have an awesome culture, great young talent and solid depth. I'd be tempted to go against the grain and say teams might start to figure them out, but I also love their additions so hard to see them not being around the mark regardless.
5. Collingwood
Could see a last dance type of season for Collingwood, just a lot of talent and experience if they're not injury-riddled. But the lack of proven quality youth is concerning and they'll have to start seeing something come through if they're going to really contend.
6. Port Adelaide
Too talented to really slide that hard imo despite the worrying signs at times. Not much more to say, they have holes but they're always around the mark.
7. Sydney
Grand final hangover in 2023 could be repeated, maybe a new coach will help a bit in that regard but hard to predict. Again too many guns to miss finals.
8. Carlton
Nothing would really surprise me, but a horror run with injuries last year and still made finals in the end. Talent everywhere, a lot of people seem to be off them not sure exactly why though.
9. Geelong
They've been a slightly above average team by percentage the last two years so I imagine not much will change. They keep proving the doubters wrong and are doing a good job of rebuilding on the fly, but eventually something's gotta give and someone has to miss out.
10. Gold Coast
Good additions, second year under Hardwick should see some improvement. But still really young in general, and I've predicted finals and been burned the last two years so they're gonna have to prove it.
11. Melbourne
Easy fixture could see them jump again, but it's hard to believe there aren't some lingering issues and tension at the club. Maybe their youth can reinvigorate them? Only they know if there's still enough belief in this group to bounce back.
12. St Kilda
More youth, plodding midfield but better depth, steady contributions from their guns keeps them afloat. Same general story and they usually end up around here, but really anything from finals to bottom four wouldn't surprise me and same goes for all the teams around them.
13. GWS
Might seem like a big slide after leading against Brisbane, but they were very lucky to be top four last year and I think they may have just missed their shot with this group. Lost a lot of steady contributors which exposes untested youth, plus a tough fixture and aging stars. All the ingredients are there for a slide.
14. Adelaide
Who knows really? Really disappointing last year, I like their additions but not sure it's enough to propel them up the ladder yet, maybe a year or two away still. Seems too low but so do most teams.
15. Essendon
Quietly lost a fair bit of experience and are now one of the youngest teams in the league. Just not sure what this team's identity is? They're not terrible but hard to put them above many.
16. North Melbourne
The least shit of this bottom three and the only one who I could see climbing out of the basement. But still very young, probably still can't stop anyone from scoring and need to prove it.
17. West Coast
Just an awful team. At least they have a shining light in Harley Reid, but likely rough going again.
18. Richmond
Had a bit of an excuse with injuries last year, but now most of their experienced talent has been replaced by teenagers. This could get ugly.
 
1. Fremantle - I love everything about where Freo are headed at the moment, incredible midfield, great youth, finally enough firepower. I think they'll spike towards the top of the ladder either this year or next year, I'm just tipping this year because why not.
2. Western Bulldogs
Thought they figured out a lot towards the back end of last year with Rory Lobb down back. Midfield and forward line are still really potent and Sam Darcy, Ugle-Hagan and Ryley Sanders are all potential stars, plus a pretty soft draw = strong top four chance. They've given good reason not to believe in them but I just do.
3. Brisbane
They'll really miss Daniher and I could see a slide after finally securing the flag, but they're still adding some great talent back and are near unbeatable at the Gabba. Might just be able to play free with the monkey off their back.
4. Hawthorn
Clearly have an awesome culture, great young talent and solid depth. I'd be tempted to go against the grain and say teams might start to figure them out, but I also love their additions so hard to see them not being around the mark regardless.
5. Collingwood
Could see a last dance type of season for Collingwood, just a lot of talent and experience if they're not injury-riddled. But the lack of proven quality youth is concerning and they'll have to start seeing something come through if they're going to really contend.
6. Port Adelaide
Too talented to really slide that hard imo despite the worrying signs at times. Not much more to say, they have holes but they're always around the mark.
7. Sydney
Grand final hangover in 2023 could be repeated, maybe a new coach will help a bit in that regard but hard to predict. Again too many guns to miss finals.
8. Carlton
Nothing would really surprise me, but a horror run with injuries last year and still made finals in the end. Talent everywhere, a lot of people seem to be off them not sure exactly why though.
9. Geelong
They've been a slightly above average team by percentage the last two years so I imagine not much will change. They keep proving the doubters wrong and are doing a good job of rebuilding on the fly, but eventually something's gotta give and someone has to miss out.
10. Gold Coast
Good additions, second year under Hardwick should see some improvement. But still really young in general, and I've predicted finals and been burned the last two years so they're gonna have to prove it.
11. Melbourne
Easy fixture could see them jump again, but it's hard to believe there aren't some lingering issues and tension at the club. Maybe their youth can reinvigorate them? Only they know if there's still enough belief in this group to bounce back.
12. St Kilda
More youth, plodding midfield but better depth, steady contributions from their guns keeps them afloat. Same general story and they usually end up around here, but really anything from finals to bottom four wouldn't surprise me and same goes for all the teams around them.
13. GWS
Might seem like a big slide after leading against Brisbane, but they were very lucky to be top four last year and I think they may have just missed their shot with this group. Lost a lot of steady contributors which exposes untested youth, plus a tough fixture and aging stars. All the ingredients are there for a slide.
14. Adelaide
Who knows really? Really disappointing last year, I like their additions but not sure it's enough to propel them up the ladder yet, maybe a year or two away still. Seems too low but so do most teams.
15. Essendon
Quietly lost a fair bit of experience and are now one of the youngest teams in the league. Just not sure what this team's identity is? They're not terrible but hard to put them above many.
16. North Melbourne
The least shit of this bottom three and the only one who I could see climbing out of the basement. But still very young, probably still can't stop anyone from scoring and need to prove it.
17. West Coast
Just an awful team. At least they have a shining light in Harley Reid, but likely rough going again.
18. Richmond
Had a bit of an excuse with injuries last year, but now most of their experienced talent has been replaced by teenagers. This could get ugly.
I enjoyed your reasoning, quite reasonable logic. One team that popped up for me I disagree with is GWS. IMO, team don't end up top 4 after 23 games by being 'very lucky'. They did have 3 close wins, but in 2 of them they were well ahead early in 4th.

They did lost some decent players which affects their depth but best 23 is loaded and very formidable, excellent defence, great forward line, electric small forwards. Ward is really the only old player. Several 30-31 players is not old these days. Sure some mental scars could be there. They should had never lost that Lions game.

Crows is another team I think will do better or it's good bye for Nick.
 
And unfortunately for the Pies, they truly have the worst youth there is in the comp outside of N.Daicos there's zilch.
Haven’t checked your own backyard? Collingwood has nothing besides Nick Daicos, but Carlton has nothing and no Nick Daicos.
 

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I love how Daniher is apparently Brisbane Lions only forward people are forgetting how dangerous the Lions are with a smaller forward line you only need to look back at the GF against one of the best defensive teams from last year in Sydney
Yeah at the end of 23 was really worried with the Hawks small forward group and then we lost Brockman who showed some promise to WC ……. fast forward 12 months we had a group of Wiz/Ginni/Croc/Moore for 24. They were a massive part behind the Hawks improvement in goal scoring opportunities bringing plenty of unpredictability and pressure up field helping out the mids.
 
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I love how Daniher is apparently Brisbane Lions only forward people are forgetting how dangerous the Lions are with a smaller forward line you only need to look back at the GF against one of the best defensive teams from last year in Sydney
Again, where are the statements saying any such thing? People can acknowledge the large hole an elite key forward leaving presents, without rubbishing the rest of the forward line. I've yet to see anyone call Brisbane's forward line pathetic. In fact most people still have them ranked number 1 for 2025 premiership chances. Yet we are getting some really sensitive Brisbane supporters for some reason.
 
1. GWS GIANTS
2. SYDNEY SWANS
3. COLLINGWOOD
4. BRISBANE LIONS
5. HAWTHORN
6. CARLTON
7. ADELAIDE
8. MELBOURNE
9. Geelong
10. Western Bulldogs
11. Port Adelaide
12. Gold Coast Suns
13. Essendon
14. St Kilda
15. Fremantle
16. West Coast Eagles
17. Richmond
18. North Melbourne

GRAND FINAL: GWS Giants d. Sydney Swans
 
I love how Daniher is apparently Brisbane Lions only forward people are forgetting how dangerous the Lions are with a smaller forward line you only need to look back at the GF against one of the best defensive teams from last year in Sydney
And then you look back to the SF and see that if Daniher doesn't play that game the Lions would have already been on holidays
 
Predictions of finals or no finals does not bother me.
But I will club 1 seal for every prediction below St.Kilda. That's just too insulting.
We finished above you only twelve months ago and also beat you convincingly in our second game this year. It's hardly a crazy prediction.
 

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I enjoyed your reasoning, quite reasonable logic. One team that popped up for me I disagree with is GWS. IMO, team don't end up top 4 after 23 games by being 'very lucky'. They did have 3 close wins, but in 2 of them they were well ahead early in 4th.

They did lost some decent players which affects their depth but best 23 is loaded and very formidable, excellent defence, great forward line, electric small forwards. Ward is really the only old player. Several 30-31 players is not old these days. Sure some mental scars could be there. They should had never lost that Lions game.

Crows is another team I think will do better or it's good bye for Nick.
Fair, I still think they were lucky to be top four though. 9th best percentage in the comp, and it's more that there were only 4 wins between them and 14th so the close games do make a huge difference, and I think they were something like 6-1 in close games. All that being said I wouldn't be shocked at all if they actually improved
 
We finished above you only twelve months ago and also beat you convincingly in our second game this year. It's hardly a crazy prediction.
Perhaps not a crazy prediction, but Geelong would be favoured to finish ahead.

Cats were cooked in that late season game from displacing Freo from the top 4 in WA the week before. That game essentially got us the double chance.

Without a premiership hangover Geelong were a very good, albeit not outstanding team in 2024.

St Kilda are one of those thereabouts teams. Not bad, not great. Should be aiming to sneak 8th spot in 2025. Geelong's aspirations should be challenging for a top 4 spot again and having a competitive finals series.
 
Lions have 4 returning ACLs and off season surgeries like Neale, Big O, McCluggage etc. Even Levi Ashcroft has gone through shoulder cleanup and doing contactless training. We'll likely be a slow starter in the first part of the year - so bottom half of the 8 more realistic for us.
 
Perhaps not a crazy prediction, but Geelong would be favoured to finish ahead.

Cats were cooked in that late season game from displacing Freo from the top 4 in WA the week before. That game essentially got us the double chance.

Without a premiership hangover Geelong were a very good, albeit not outstanding team in 2024.

St Kilda are one of those thereabouts teams. Not bad, not great. Should be aiming to sneak 8th spot in 2025. Geelong's aspirations should be challenging for a top 4 spot again and having a competitive finals series.
Of course it's the most likely outcome that you finish above us but why get so triggered by someone predicting something that's very possible and has actually occurred recently?
 

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Of course it's the most likely outcome that you finish above us but why get so triggered by someone predicting something that's very possible and has actually occurred recently?
Well yeah I don't agree with anyone getting triggered. The average Geelong prediction in last years thread was 13th so the group think was 10 places wrong. There are few predictions that are that outrageous.
 
1. Brisbane Lions
2. Western Bulldogs
3. Fremantle
4. GWS
5. Collingwood
6. Sydney
7. Port Adelaide
8. Hawthorn
9. North Melbourne
10. Geelong
11. Carlton
12. Adelaide
13. West Coast Eagles
14. Gold Coast
15. St Kilda
16. Melbourne
17. Essendon
18. Richmond

Unfortunately I think we jag a few home wins as a Eagles fan and end up nowhere. Brisbane to win 20 games for the year and finish 1st easily.
 

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