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[Coops93]

This. I thought Haynes first few games with us were utter shite but he's really adapted and near essential in our back line right now.

He's really settled in well and has been excellent, he's become our best interceptor for a while. He is a little dicey ball in hand, though. But, who in the navy blue isn't at the moment...

 

[bradfisher14]

I love Haynes.

But the "stars" on our list should be embarrassed that he is considered a top 3 chance for our best and fairest.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

These calls of saying TDK is no superstar... what have you been watching? He's a gun. Moves like a mid. No wonder other teams want him.

 

[ferrisb]

These calls of saying TDK is no superstar... what have you been watching? He's a gun. Moves like a mid. No wonder other teams want him.

I think pretty much everyone thinks TDK is a superstar.

But almost everyone says 'We shouldn't pay him $1.7M/yr'
And some people are saying 'Even though he's a gun, I wouldn't pay any ruck $1M+/yr'
And some others are suggesting we already have too many ~$1M/yr players

All three are reasonable comments.

 

[ferrisb]

Random hypothetical:

We pay a player $1M a year for 6 years. He misses half the games due to injury.

When his contract is up, his market value is $800K/yr.

Might said player agree to a $500K deal, in admission he had been 'overpaid' in the previous contract? Or is it simply 'shit happens, I can get $800K elsewhere, so that's my starting point'?

I realise it's dependent on the situation, player, player age, player manager, salary cap etc etc. But as a general concept....?

 

[branedotorg]

Random hypothetical:

We pay a player $1M a year for 6 years. He misses half the games due to injury.

When his contract is up, his market value is $800K/yr.

Might said player agree to a $500K deal, in admission he had been 'overpaid' in the previous contract? Or is it simply 'shit happens, I can get $800K elsewhere, so that's my starting point'?

depends on ther individual, D Thomas apparently went with option 1

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

Random hypothetical:

We pay a player $1M a year for 6 years. He misses half the games due to injury.

When his contract is up, his market value is $800K/yr.

Might said player agree to a $500K deal, in admission he had been 'overpaid' in the previous contract? Or is it simply 'shit happens, I can get $800K elsewhere, so that's my starting point'?

I realise it's dependent on the situation, player, player age, player manager, salary cap etc etc. But as a general concept....?

Nice concept but zero chance. Players would consider them workplace injuries in any case so why would they not be paid for them.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Just for thoughts
The young next gen carlton kinda might look like this

Cowan Hof Carroll
O Hollands Dean Wilson
Walsh Cerra Binns
E Hollands Lemmey Moir
Motlop ? Kemp

Hok Jagger B Camporeale

Lord L Camporeale Durdin Charleston

What people think of the next wave ?
Any positions need attention in there that gets replaced or drafted for, FF for example

Snuck Dean and Jagga in there, also Cerra and Walsh its meant to be under 25 24 or so
Just playing around
I think there's a pretty good good group there, add in draft and trades to it with maturity

needs more SKYWALKER

 

[Sector 7G]

depends on ther individual, D Thomas apparently went with option 1

No one was offering DT option 2. DT took what he was offered. He also walked away from a trigger clause so that we would keep playing him and not put him in the 2s so he would fail to hit the trigger clause.

 

[DangerousD]

Random hypothetical:

We pay a player $1M a year for 6 years. He misses half the games due to injury.

When his contract is up, his market value is $800K/yr.

Might said player agree to a $500K deal, in admission he had been 'overpaid' in the previous contract? Or is it simply 'shit happens, I can get $800K elsewhere, so that's my starting point'?

I realise it's dependent on the situation, player, player age, player manager, salary cap etc etc. But as a general concept....?

As a general rule i don’t think players do this, they sign for what they are worth at the time, it would be very rare for a player to sign for a few hundred less because they hadn’t lived up to expectations previously, I’ve added some stuff on Charlie below, there is no way a kid in his 3rd year after not performing should have been offered $800,000 per year

Charlie Curnow in 2018 signed a 4 year deal with us for a reported $800,000 per year. He signed this deal when he’d kicked 35 goals for the club.

In the first 3 years of that deal, he played 15 games before playing 22 in year 4.

He then signed a big 7 year deal reported at around $1M

 

[Accidental genius]

Random hypothetical:

We pay a player $1M a year for 6 years. He misses half the games due to injury.

When his contract is up, his market value is $800K/yr.

Might said player agree to a $500K deal, in admission he had been 'overpaid' in the previous contract? Or is it simply 'shit happens, I can get $800K elsewhere, so that's my starting point'?

I realise it's dependent on the situation, player, player age, player manager, salary cap etc etc. But as a general concept....?

This got me thinking about how many games some players miss due to injuries..

I initially thought missing half the games was significant until I looked up a few of our recent injury prones that we delisted last year...wowee cunners was the worst of the three most injured

Cunners - 58 games over 8 years (out of a total of ~180 games) ~32% availability
Martin - 54 over 5 years at the blues (out of ~105 games) ~50% availability
Marchbank - 56 over 6 years at the blues (out of ~125 games) ~ 45% availability

 

[Matty411]

I think pretty much everyone thinks TDK is a superstar.

But almost everyone says 'We shouldn't pay him $1.7M/yr'
And some people are saying 'Even though he's a gun, I wouldn't pay any ruck $1M+/yr'
And some others are suggesting we already have too many ~$1M/yr players

All three are reasonable comments.

Logical and funny? Lock up your partners, people!

 

[Juddernaut08]

Random hypothetical:

We pay a player $1M a year for 6 years. He misses half the games due to injury.

When his contract is up, his market value is $800K/yr.

Might said player agree to a $500K deal, in admission he had been 'overpaid' in the previous contract? Or is it simply 'shit happens, I can get $800K elsewhere, so that's my starting point'?

I realise it's dependent on the situation, player, player age, player manager, salary cap etc etc. But as a general concept....?

Ask Williams?

 

[Numero 31]

Marking hff. Jack Martin replacement. Kemp is not that guy. Understand the BF link.

What would Bayley Fritsch be on? When in form and confident, he is one of the best set-shot goal kickers in the league in that position.

 

[Numero 31]

These calls of saying TDK is no superstar... what have you been watching? He's a gun. Moves like a mid. No wonder other teams want him.

He can have his star like moments but he hasn't been able to produce it consistently yet to warrant these astronomical rumoured sums dangled by St Kilda.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Cal Twomey today on Gettable when discussing Melbourne said that Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

will potentially be available

 

[GT619]

I'm pleased that Tom sat down with Wright to discuss the club's future. It's a good move.

Naturally, all stakeholders at the club alike (players, coaches, staff, sponsors, supporters, etc.) have serious questions about what lies ahead, especially someone like Tom, who's facing a pivotal decision about his career, no matter where he lands.

He'd surely have questions for St Kilda too. If he signs their reported big-money deal, how will they build a competitive list around him? With so much salary cap tied up, and given their lackluster season, they're clearly more than one player away from contending.

Honestly, if St Kilda lock him into that massive contract, I'd be more worried for them than for us.

As for sign-and-trade ideas if he leaves, that's wishful thinking. Most likely, we'll contemplate trading the compensation pick we get, but if he signs with St. Kilda it'll be on a contract that damages the likelihood of long-term success. He'll do it with a heftier wallet than if he stays (or goes elsewhere).

asf Wright is going tell what his intentions are

 

[Juice030103]

Cal Twomey today on Gettable when discussing Melbourne said that Harry McKay will potentially be available

Fritsch and a future pick to help with the Cody bid

 

[Red Bull]

I'm pleased that Tom sat down with Wright to discuss the club's future. It's a good move.
Honestly, if St Kilda lock him into that massive contract, I'd be more worried for them than for us.

Criminal list management from Silvagni that no other list manager would consider for a ruckman.
That fact that it has apparently been sanctioned by the saints speaks volumes about that organisation.
Hard to make a case that Silvagni isn’t abusing his position in carrying out a personal vendetta …

 

[kingkingston]

Yes, but why? I Never suggested he had to show loyalty, only that staying at Carlton would likely be driven by a sense of loyalty or mateship. St Kilda are hitting the "make money" button, while Geelong have a stronger case on potential for success and the draw of playing with his brother...not to mention that as an avid surfer, the lifestyle out that way would also be appealing.

The appeal for staying is loyalty to the club, loyalty to his teammates, or maaaybe at a stretch a reticence to take the risk on a move elsewhere.

You write decision is loyalty-motivated. That means you were talking about being loyal

 

[Wickzki]

asf Wright is going tell what his intentions are

He'd give him some vague answers and reassurances

 

[kingkingston]

These calls of saying TDK is no superstar... what have you been watching? He's a gun. Moves like a mid. No wonder other teams want him.

He is a gun athlete who isn't a good kicker. He relies on his athleticism mostly.

 

[bmaurizio]

TDK is very talented however lacks intensity and grunt against the leading bigger bodied Ruckmen , can be easily pushed off the ball, also his output in the forward line is inadequate.
My position is that a remuneration amount of over 1.5M/ pa would be reckless in our position.
I'm confident that Graham Wright will do the necessary due diligence and will choose the correct path forward.

 

[Crippa#9]

TDK is very talented however lacks intensity and grunt against the leading bigger bodied Ruckmen , can be easily pushed off the ball, also his output in the forward line is inadequate.
My position is that a remuneration amount of over 1.5M/ pa would be reckless in our position.
I'm confident that Graham Wright will do the necessary due diligence and will choose the correct path forward.

Odd way to look at it. He turns into a 200cm midfielder as soon as the ball hits the ground which is unlikely almost every other ruckman in the game. He averages more disposals than any other ruck (outside of Gawn) and also has the most inside-50's than any other ruck in the game.

 

[bradfisher14]

Odd way to look at it. He turns into a 200cm midfielder as soon as the ball hits the ground which is unlikely almost every other ruckman in the game. He averages more disposals than any other ruck (outside of Gawn) and also has the most inside-50's than any other ruck in the game.

You're right, but here is an important question to consider:

Has a team recently won a premiership with a ruckman that plays the way TDK does?

2024 - Darcy Fort - NO
2023 - Darcy Cameron - NO
2022 - Stanley/Blicavs - NO/YES
2021 - Max Gawn - YES
2020 - Toby Nankervis - NO
2019 - Toby Nankervis - NO
2018 - Lycett/Vardy - NO
2017 - Toby Nankervis - NO