List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Sarcoidevo]

Certainly makes it less work for them. Stoppage is still a thing though.

If you are tackled over the line between the arcs .. its still a ball up or throw in?

 

[PoppedCorn]

****ing shit rule
do not like

 

[beside the seaside]

correct

id take pick 25
he is NOT worth two firsts

Would rather keep him then.

 

[gringo2011]

As of next season I'd like to see Hall, Nas & Pou in the guts full-time.
Ideally Henry & Wilson take the wings, although l obviously like Wilson HF.
I actually prefer Windy in the backline, where he can tag the oppo small forwards
His general kicking is an issue though, not bad/not great.
I seriously hope we rookie  Jackson Voss, think we could use his precise kicking in our backline
He's built like Hall abit actually.

Hall and Nas are so good in their HHF and HB roles. I'd almost use them as on ball impact players like they use De Goey or Richmond used Dusty.

 

[Joffaboy]

NGA, F/S discussion ect moved to Nepo babies thread, let's try and keep this one from spiraling to far out of control

Sorry just posted one, can you move it as well. Apologies, didn't see your post

 

[Joffaboy]

correct

id take pick 25
he is NOT worth two firsts

He is worth what we say he is worth, contracted FFS.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Would rather keep him then.

im with youi think he does ok floating back and marking and the odd chf mark as well
not sure we can carry all these talls tho
i think he is gone but i also thought nas would go

 

[Dard Ball Get]

If you are tackled over the line between the arcs .. its still a ball up or throw in?

No, last touch. Best plan is to handball or kick into an oppo so it goes OOB off them

Trash rule.

 

[DougalHoward]

So cause umpires can't determine player intent we get rid of throw ins

 

[TheJackal]

NGA, F/S discussion ect moved to Nepo babies thread, let's try and keep this one from spiraling to far out of control

My bad

 

[BrutThough]

Reckon Tassie would be shit. Just talking a wage to teach children. I'd rather Melbourne. There is an assumption that they are on the downward spiral but they've actually taken some fantastic kids in the last few years.

Harvey Langford was classed in the top 5 first year players of all time by champion data. Ahead of Naicos.

Bowie, Windsor, Spargo, Rivers, Lindsay, Pickett, Jefferson etc all young and have more to give. Even Van Rooyen and Bailey Laurie are under utilised. Petracca, Gawn and Oliver all close to moving on or the end but a quick clean up refresh and they could be a short sharp down period.

Melbourne can go either way. Their forward line is still a mess and they are so reliant on Gawn. But their board is expecting improvement so if they bring in an experienced guy like Buckley, they will be instant pressure to perform.

Tassie gives him 5 years easy money with no expectation.

 

[stfan]

No, last touch. Best plan is to handball or kick into an oppo so it goes OOB off them

I think it only applies if is actually a kick/handball which crosses the line without being "touched". If "touched" after being kicked/handballed such as you described above it is a throw-in.

I assume a spoil in a marking contest that crosses the line would also be a throw in. Or say when the a player is tackled and the ball spills over the line = throw in.

In the last-touch rule, a free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player kicks or handballs the ball over the boundary line without any other player touching it first, specifically between the arcs. This rule aims to increase scoring, reduce stoppages by minimizing boundary throw-ins, and create a more free-flowing, attacking game by penalizing a lack of "effort to keep the ball in play". The AFL is set to introduce this rule in 2026

 

[BrutThough]

So cause umpires can't determine player intent we get rid of throw ins

There will still be throw ins.

 

[SG34]

All the while a report by Geoff Walsh into the heartland of Aussie Rules, Victoria, where 65% of all draftees are from, saying competitions are dying and nothing is being done to attract new migrants in the Melbourne growth corridors.
Was presented to Dillon and Kane months ago with a number of recommendations and absolutely nothing has been done.
They crap on about growing the game in the northern states while at the same time allowing the heartland to wither on the vine and actively doing NOTHING to implement the recommendations.
So when you hear the lazy ' NGA grow the game', they are talking out the side of their mouths as they seemingly don't care about any growth in Victoria.

Yep.
I think they all know privately, that the withering thing is nothing they can do anything about. They think it s a lost cause. But artificially boosting the new frontiers is much easier.

Even the Tassie thing has a mix of both. Tassie represents massively withered heartland. And yet they can’t do it their way. they are not allowed to figure out the best mix, Launceston, Hobart (where they should rotate for a while at least) . Instead they are locked into building a roof stadium so that the developers with their mates in the ‘club’ all get their pay packets.

They don’t care about heart or heartland at all.

TV Rights,
Construction and developers (go get ‘em Eddie)
Gambling (onya’ Gillon)

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Melbourne can go either way. Their forward line is still a mess and they are so reliant on Gawn. But their board is expecting improvement so if they bring in an experienced guy like Buckley, they will be instant pressure to perform.

Tassie gives him 5 years easy money with no expectation.

120 losses in a row then, hopefully

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Closer to an end of 2nd you'd think

Honestly, can’t be a pick inside 40? I would vomit and not everything we do is glittered in gold either

 

[Mav3rick]

I thought Marshall's deal was heavily front loaded?

If that's the case he wouldn't be freezing up 950k next year

This is the thing with trading Marshall and something the AFL surely needs to look at - if a player agrees to frontloading a contract they really shouldn't be able to get out of it later to go and sign a more lucrative one. It's a loophole in the system, and another that is designed to screw over the worse clubs, as they are the ones who are likely to be frontloading contracts in the first place.

If contracted players are traded, they should be traded WITH their contracts upheld (like the NBA) and it actually becomes a part of the whole trade valuation. You could still have a buyout clause or something similar.

If Marshall was frontloaded and is being paid unders now it would increase value as an asset greatly, which means we'd still see the benefit to frontloading him (just not the one we envisioned).

 

[Diehard Saint]

I'm sure they all know how it works.

Not sure how you can argue it's not a risk doing it this way though.

It’s not a risk if it’s the manager holding out.
Which in NAS’ case it obviously was, because he said he’d made up his mind a month before.

 

[gringo2011]

Getting both of Aleer & JSOS is abit baffling
Unless they see JSOS as the swingman & play him forward more?

JSOS only got the big money he did because he settled in a role down back. As a forward he was an inconsistent third wheel. To me he probably keeps Howard out and Aleer is more of a Battle replacement with his athletic profile and less ability one on one. Wilkie and JSos are both very high level man on man players.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

No, last touch. Best plan is to handball or kick into an oppo so it goes OOB off them

Trash rule.

Report says last disposal

What happens in AFLW?

 

[Broski]

As a South Australian, I’m very happy with the last touch rule being implemented. It works very well in the SANFL.

No one will notice the difference. It will just eliminate those umpiring howlers.

The rule isn’t “last touch”, it’s last disposal. So if you miss a handball and it goes out of bounds without it being touched it will be a free kick. If the ball is spoiled over the line, it will be a ball in.

 

[stfan]

So so far, two FA's = no trade cost.

Ryan and Aleer will have a trade cost

Heath at present the only player so far who it seems will definitely be traded. Though there are some possible outs.

We need to cover the situation if Fincher is nominated early.

 

[Mav3rick]

Think Pou has a fair bit of work ahead of him to lock in a midfield spot. Needs to get his body right first of all obviously.

I know he had 4 good games at the end of 2024, but Nas, Hall and Windy have all shot past him, not to mention Macrae still probably deserving a spot on merit.

I think Pou will need to play more of a forward role and like a couple of other, spend some time in the VFL to keep getting him that midfield exposure.

He's only 20, still has plenty of time.

I think Hall is so good forward that I'd prefer to keep him there. He was rated as one of the absolute best players in the comp for a good six or seven week period playing half forward - hard to get better impact than that. Similar to Sinclair in that he can play midfield and do it well, but I think we're robbing peter by playing him there when he's desperately needed in the front half.

Wouldn't mind seeing Pou on a wing a bit if he can't break into the midfield, just don't want to see him rotting at full forward.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Players with 75 or more inside 50s - goal assist percentage

27%: English, Peatling, Humphrey
26%:
25%: Ned Long
24%: Bontempelli, Richards
23%:
22%: Max Hall
21%: Butters, Wanganeen-Milera
20%: Heeney, Rankine
19%: Matt Kennedy
18%: Amon, Bolton, Davies-Uniacke, Durham, Ginnivan
17%: McCluggage, O'Halloran, Petracca, Ross
16%: Anderson, Brayshaw, Crisp, Tom Green, Merrett, Pickett, Powell
15%: Will Ashcroft, George Hewett, Zorko
14%: Callaghan, Patrick Cripps, Nick Daicos, Dawson, Macrae, Mannagh, Newcombe, Rayner, Sinclair, Josh Ward
13%: Greene, Liberatore, Rowell, Simpkin, Bailey Smith
12%: Chad Warner
11%: Josh Daicos, Hooper, Holmes, Miller, Neale
10%: Baker, Oliver, Serong, Windhager
9%: Cerra, Soligo
8%: Sheezel
7%:
6%: Dunkley
5%: Tom De Koning
4%: Rozee

That is a fascinating list! Some real surprises in there

 

[Joffaboy]

Report says last disposal

What happens in AFLW?

Between the arc's, but a contested ball is thrown in.